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部長請教你就是有關這個我們境外電商落地的問題那其實這個我們主任院長也有提過啦他就說這一個希望這個境外的電商尤其是來自中國電商要能夠落地來管理然後這個"},{"start":329.895,"end":352.566,"text":"部長也說現在檢討相關的這個註冊程序那請問一下這個是在1月份所講的那這三個月以來當然這不是只有財政部也包含經濟部跟速發部那就財政部來講有關境外電商尤其像是中國的電商要落地這件事情目前處理的情況怎麼樣"},{"start":353.815,"end":360.176,"text":"跟委員報告,這個議題部會都相當重視,院裡面也非常重視那所以會由數位部還有經濟部來做討論然後財政部也會一起參與對於這樣後續要用什麼樣的方式來加強管理的部分都有提出討論那就是財政部的立場呢財政部的部分最主要是貨物的部分,也就是對境外電商"},{"start":379.84,"end":400.112,"text":"的一些貨物的管理我們也採取了相關的一些經濟措施在我們的海關的部分因為當然跟經濟部有關係但是對財政部有關係大家很這個比較關心就是說這個沒有落地的電商利用小額包裹免稅的規定兩千元以下免稅然後每半年六次但是呢這個會形成對我們這個本土這個電商在"},{"start":403.133,"end":420.478,"text":"稅負和管理上的一個不公平的一個競爭啊那甚至也有安全上面的疑慮啊那就這方面財政部要怎麼有要想要去做什麼處理的嗎因為其實包含這一個美國跟歐盟他們已經陸陸續續取消了這一個跨境包裹小兒民那個豁免的一個政策那就財政部來講咧部分其實要考量的因素蠻多的但我們也知道一些國家已經陸續開始採取所謂的那個"},{"start":430.342,"end":448.612,"text":"取消了這個想要包裹免稅的這樣一個制度那就我們的部分當然後續我們會隨同境外電商購物這個部分一併來做考量這個大家也很多委員在關心那到底這個兩千塊一年六次這個會不會做調整目前來說並沒有要調整未來如果落地管理之後這個政策會做改變嗎"},{"start":458.78,"end":481.28,"text":"是否落地管理或者是採取其他的方式目前來說我們還在做部會之間還做整體的規劃考慮我看這個卓院長也是講得很重說這個台灣是一個法治國家這一定要落地管理如果沒有落地管理的話要強制下架講得很嚴重但是我看部長這樣子的發言好像是說這個各個部會都還沒有動起來有部會都動起來了"},{"start":484.11,"end":510.184,"text":"沒有啊,你給我的答覆就是感覺上不會沒有動起來啊我們都各個相關的措施提出來討論那你們有一個D-Line嗎?哪時候這個相關的管理措施要出來?相關的措施其實我們已經討論了一個時間了那目前來說院裡面也正在做整合當中半年的時間可以嗎?會出來嗎?我沒有辦法提出時間你沒有辦法提出時間那你覺得半年有可能嗎?"},{"start":511.832,"end":525.496,"text":"應該不會那麼久吧不會那麼久好那再請教一下剛剛有很多同仁在問了這個有關這一個我們這一個現在確定這個願營樂園為我們20萬的是不受到影響我們這些確定的小市店但是20萬以上就會有受到影響那20萬以上會受到影響就是說剛剛這個趙薇有提到就是說你們現在有鼓勵"},{"start":536.639,"end":565.091,"text":"大家這個有超過20萬的這些店家你們說5300多家而已要精準打擊不是啦輔導啦精準輔導啦那這個5000多家第一個我也不知道這個5000多家你們是怎麼算出來的那第二個就是說那他們的這個輔導其實只有3年啊對不對只到117年啊那你現在給他1%然後呢他這些現在他用這個數位支付的費用是誰來支付是他們自己要付這些成本嗎"},{"start":567.386,"end":574.191,"text":"經濟部有輔導嗎?這個部分我們有會請經濟部來做相關的輔導有相關的這個費用的一些比如說有協助嗎?或怎麼樣?我們請經濟部來協助這些商家能夠導入行動支付到底是有還是沒有?現在?有"},{"start":589.142,"end":600.887,"text":"對啊所以說那個你要他們導入我們鼓勵但是三年之後他一樣又到5%那對這些店家來講他會覺得說我是配合政府政策啊不然我現在不做也是一樣啊反正三年之後一樣是5%啊"},{"start":602.701,"end":622.385,"text":"跟委員報告所以我們一再說明就是說三年期滿之前我們會再做一個整體的審慎報告明年先一個其中的報告先出來啦你剛有答應嘛對不對一年嘛也是一年嘛對啊就明年嘛明年這個時候先提出一個其中的報告出來嘛是是是好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝主席好謝謝李委員下一位資訊委員請羅明財委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}