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這個我對於你們現在公司法第387條增訂記帳師為公司登記代理人這件事情的修法會不會影響會計師"},{"start":963.626,"end":976.298,"text":"他們的主張修完之後會不會影響會不會影響簽證的業務會不會影響他對於上市商會如果這兩個不會影響的話那就請你快快的把你們的修正版本提出來分發可以嗎 署長 回應一下停止發言了 好不好謝謝 你就提出後面報告然後你們找委員溝通 好不好 謝謝好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:00:45.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:00:45.392000+08:00","text":"（11時）有請部長。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:00:46.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:00:52.937000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:00:52.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:00:54.678000+08:00","text":"林委員早安。早。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:00:54.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:01:15.311000+08:00","text":"部長，我要針對淨零轉型的制度陷阱，踢爆電動公車的電價矛盾，它是你們用了多大的力量，政府在交通部跟經濟部用了很大的力量，而能夠有電動國產巴士，但是現在我要踢爆電動國產巴士越配合就賠越多的電價矛盾。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:01:15.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:01:19.914000+08:00","text":"我們來看，行政院2030年淨零承諾說，我們一定要達成1萬1,700輛公車全面電動化的目標，目前是2026年，只剩4年了，你們目前的進度是少於40%，為什麼業者推不動？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:01:19.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:01:46.388000+08:00","text":"因為經濟部與台電聯手設下一個電價的陷阱，一方面大力鼓勵轉型，購車補貼，從燃油車改為電動車，但是你們現在針對電動公車的電價，卻是四倍電價的重罰，變相懲罰守法的業者，台電所謂的價格訊息，正在扼殺所有的大眾運輸。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:02:03.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:02:24.294000+08:00","text":"關於這個錯誤政策的套用，我們先釐清公車不是私家車，就駕駛性質、尖峰狀態、充電時間來講，私家車當然駕駛的性質是可以自由選擇，你什麼時候要出車，就自己什麼時候出車；尖峰狀態，我當然可以配合你的價格訊息，在離峰時段當中我再去充啊！","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:02:24.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:02:29.399000+08:00","text":"晚上10點到隔天下午4點，我當然充啊，可以啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:02:30.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:02:33.284000+08:00","text":"我還可以彈性慢慢充電，我不需要快啊！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:02:33.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:03:01.629000+08:00","text":"但是大眾運輸的電動巴士，駕駛的性質是按著固定班表，而且它有疏運的責任；第二個，它有尖峰時段，就是下午的4點到當天晚上10點，載客最高峰，班次最密集；但是在充電的時候，你們卻在下午4點到晚上10點是四倍的電價，等一下我會秀出這個數字。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:03:02.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:03:07.654000+08:00","text":"那它怎麼可能是在晚上10點過後到隔天下午4點補電呢？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:03:09.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:03:14.680000+08:00","text":"所以對於大眾運輸的電動巴士來講，尖峰充電是義務而非選擇。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:03:15.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:03:39.662000+08:00","text":"我們來看這張表，你們說台電給電動巴士……講得很漂亮，我給你18小時離峰是很便宜的，就是從晚上10點到隔天下午4點叫做離峰，我給你18個小時啊！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:03:40.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:03:43.745000+08:00","text":"但是公車什麼時候要充電？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:03:43.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:03:45.806000+08:00","text":"下午4點到當天10點啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:03:46.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:03:56.133000+08:00","text":"所以你是用夏季尖峰這麼昂貴的電價，然後要求……不好意思，公車巴士就只有這時候充啊！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:03:56.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:04:07.340000+08:00","text":"而且它得快充，你們還鼓勵快充，我看部長還是院長，還有去參加電動巴士展，還鼓勵我們自己國產的快充系統，所以現在幾家電動巴士業者來向我陳情啊！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:04:07.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:04:08.520000+08:00","text":"公車的營運現實被澈底鎖死在這6個小時的昂貴尖峰裡。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:04:08.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:04:25.530000+08:00","text":"為什麼快充是運能的生命線？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:04:25.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:04:37.479000+08:00","text":"這裡面有用了LTO鈦酸鋰電池，它的安全性高，壽命長，是為快充而生的，而且這是經過交通部VSCC車輛中心所驗證，要求什麼叫快充標準？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:04:38.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:04:40.141000+08:00","text":"15分鐘內一定要補充60%的電力。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:04:40.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:04:51.990000+08:00","text":"第三個是技術的必然，還要求長途路線或市區空間不足的站點，高頻補電是唯一的手段。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:04:53.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:05:02.315000+08:00","text":"台電卻要求這些公車客運業者的電動車慢慢充，你們根本就是外行領導內行，完全不符合實務！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:05:03.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:05:18.723000+08:00","text":"關於價差，離峰電價每度才3.05，夏季尖峰，你們現在是用尖峰時段來收電動巴士的電價，每度是12.47，差了4.09倍，所以這就是白紙黑字。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:05:19.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:05:35.251000+08:00","text":"電動巴士業者下午4點到晚上10點必須充電，也必須在這個時候充電，他也就必須繳每度12.47，然後你要他們在晚上10點到隔天下午4點慢慢充，拜託喔！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:05:36.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:05:36.411000+08:00","text":"電動巴士的公車怎麼可能在這個時段充？","quality":0.706},{"speaker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:12:11.100000+08:00","text":"每半年？","quality":1},{"speaker":"雲參事瑞龍","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:11.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:12.160000+08:00","text":"每半年。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:12.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:12.881000+08:00","text":"難怪進度這麼慢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:13.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:19.786000+08:00","text":"部長，我要讓你知道，工商輔導中心，我對於你們農地上工廠的督導進度非常不滿意！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:21.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:22.728000+08:00","text":"不僅組織降編，甚至叫任務編組、臨時組織？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:22.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:35.557000+08:00","text":"跟經濟部中部辦公室比起來，這其實是一個實實在在、屬於部本部的組織，現在居然把它降為臨時組織、降到給商發署管？","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:36.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:38.079000+08:00","text":"我現在問商發署，結果他一竅都不通！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:38.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:55.377000+08:00","text":"不是他不專業，因為商發署與工廠管理輔導法、跟工廠，全部都是工廠，商發署管的都是服務業……你們說是產發署嗎？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:55.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:55.857000+08:00","text":"產發署。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:55.857000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:12:56.857000+08:00","text":"產發署？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:12:56.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:00.683000+08:00","text":"好，如果我再問你一些細節，我就考你好了。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:00.683000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:03.746000+08:00","text":"林委員，拜託一下……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:03.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:07.550000+08:00","text":"主席，不好意思，我再請求一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:07.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:12.916000+08:00","text":"我難得可以來，我在這邊也四屆了，而且我一定要講完。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:13.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:14.358000+08:00","text":"第一，我今天陳情五項，都不是個案，都不是個案。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:14.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:15.639000+08:00","text":"首先，你們爭取納管金與營運管理金，署長知道嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:15.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:16.099000+08:00","text":"本席的主張是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:16.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:17.140000+08:00","text":"我的主張是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:17.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:18.001000+08:00","text":"因應關稅等等的外在衝擊，可以減半徵收。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:18.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:18.701000+08:00","text":"所以我的訴求是什麼？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:18.701000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:19.701000+08:00","text":"減半徵收。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:18.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:20.103000+08:00","text":"好，減半徵收，你們現在變成什麼？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:41.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:43.073000+08:00","text":"因為現在有些縣市……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:43.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:44.314000+08:00","text":"你現在變成什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:44.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:44.354000+08:00","text":"變成一年……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:44.354000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:45.354000+08:00","text":"後面就用書面……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:44.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:45.255000+08:00","text":"第二個陳情，我現在講的都是通案，部長。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:46.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:48.557000+08:00","text":"民進黨執政以來你是少數我敬重你的部長，我也不為難你……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:48.557000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:49.557000+08:00","text":"委員，拜託……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:49.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:13:50.078000+08:00","text":"但是署長、次長，尤其是署長根本沒有掌握案情！","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:13:50.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:08.330000+08:00","text":"我講結論：我希望部長您是不是能要求次長加密開會？","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:08.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:23.217000+08:00","text":"能夠多給經濟部參事、主任力量，能夠多給他力量，你知道嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:23.217000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:24.217000+08:00","text":"請經濟部帶回去研究，儘快提書面報告，甚至可以去找林委員。","quality":0.24},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:23.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:23.757000+08:00","text":"包括這些陳情，都是通案。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:23.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:25.078000+08:00","text":"包括105年以後增建的，可不可以在拿到特登之後進行地目變更時，要配合容積率，之後空地再拆除？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:25.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:25.218000+08:00","text":"這是很技術性的問題。好……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:25.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:26.659000+08:00","text":"主席，我跟你報告一下，雖然你是第1屆，但我還是跟您說明一下。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:26.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:27.119000+08:00","text":"你知道這問題多嚴重嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:27.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:28.080000+08:00","text":"一定有很多人去跟你陳情。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:28.080000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:53.532000+08:00","text":"每個人都很嚴重。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:53.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:57.253000+08:00","text":"這4萬家的列管案件，你知道真的進入到土地變更的才多少？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:57.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:57.293000+08:00","text":"署長請回答，幾家？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:57.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:57.514000+08:00","text":"你不要看主任！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:57.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:58.814000+08:00","text":"這代表你都不督導！700家！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:58.814000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:14:59.814000+08:00","text":"就書面，好不好？700家！","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:14:59.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:15:00.255000+08:00","text":"還有統編不可變、經營主體不可變，這到底影響了誰？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:15:15.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:15:21.272000+08:00","text":"108年的工廠管理輔導法通過之後，你現在要求統編不可變、經營主體不可變，這到底影響誰？","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:15:21.272000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:15:24.054000+08:00","text":"林委員，邱召委及陳委員都在等待……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:15:24.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:15:33.021000+08:00","text":"再來第四點，現在如果要展延的話，你們要求土地上的建物要先拆掉、甚至遷建，才能重建。","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:15:33.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:15:41.987000+08:00","text":"拆掉重建後只有台積電有這種能力，可以在3年內蓋完，一般的工廠除了負擔土地成本外，也找不到人……","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:15:41.987000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:15:46.211000+08:00","text":"請他們提書面……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:15:46.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:15:50.675000+08:00","text":"所以就一定要延後，而你們規定延後只能1.5年，這是不合理的！","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:15:51.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:15:53.498000+08:00","text":"最後，這也是重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:15:53.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:01.545000+08:00","text":"署長，我的疑問你一定不知道，你知道農地上工廠有很多土地並非自有，而是持分，家族持分。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:02.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:04.448000+08:00","text":"其次，如果是租用的，想合法的話怎麼辦？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:05.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:11.512000+08:00","text":"所以部長，治絲益棼，署長，我也不苛責你，但如果不讓主任好好去協調這件事，好好向次長報告……","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:11.512000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:12.512000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝林委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:11.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:13.492000+08:00","text":"不可能4萬家都能夠合法……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:13.492000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:14.492000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝林委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:13.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:31.901000+08:00","text":"最後，產發署……不是產發署，請商業司。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:32.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:41.826000+08:00","text":"不好意思，我對於公司法第三百八十七條增訂記帳士為公司登記代理人，這件事情的修法會不會影響會計師？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:44.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:46.268000+08:00","text":"依他們的主張修完之後，會不會影響會計師？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:46.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:47.228000+08:00","text":"會不會影響簽證業務？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:47.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:48.049000+08:00","text":"會不會影響到上市上櫃公司……","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:48.049000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:49.049000+08:00","text":"為了會議進行順利，並兼顧每位委員發言時間的公平性……","quality":0.043},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:48.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:51.833000+08:00","text":"如果不會影響的話，請你們快快地把你們的修正版本提出來，可以嗎？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:51.833000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:52.833000+08:00","text":"不要影響下一位委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:52.833000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:53.833000+08:00","text":"好，請他們提出報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:51.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:51.993000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:51.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:52.493000+08:00","text":"署長，回應一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:52.493000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:53.493000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:52.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:53.494000+08:00","text":"停止發言了，好不好？謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:54.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:16:57.278000+08:00","text":"請提書面報告，去找委員溝通，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:16:57.778000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:17:01.492286+08:00","text":"下一位請邱志偉召委進行質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:17:01.792286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:17:05.792286+08:00","text":"發言時間為4分鐘，請各位委員遵守。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:17:06.092286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:17:09.520857+08:00","text":"至於本委員會委員是5加2分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}