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對不對一千多票通過啊有一百多票沒去嘛 沒出席做樣子也要做一下啊那個金正恩那個是 你看他多厲害了 刑事上也要抹粉抹一下 插支抹粉嘛 對不對你這個直接打臉 不附屬就OK囉我想"},{"start":478.237,"end":492.839,"text":"各位應該不只老百姓都有頭有臉了你們去想一想看這樣做好不好最後一個問題是隱藏號碼功能的必要性一般民眾有使用的需求嗎"},{"start":495.08,"end":518.331,"text":"就是有些特殊的機關或者法人或企業有時候他會有需要就比方說有些婦女婦權或女權相關的單位他們在對外做民意調查或等等去做家訪或個案訪問或調查的時候他們有的需要或者國安單位你們回去研究一下"},{"start":519.611,"end":534.661,"text":"如果沒有使用的需求反而會淪為犯罪的一個工具現在我們打電話我都不敢打手機什麼的,人家要手機我都不敢給人家我不曉得手機給人家以後會不會成為作案的工具都有可能"},{"start":536.198,"end":561.837,"text":"所以我是說你們評估一下好不好來跟我們報告大概三點第一點憲法規定人民有命運通信自由就是說它這個號碼不顯示是用戶可以選擇那我們現在請中華電信還有未來台哥遠傳也推出這個銀碼的語音警示功能如果有民眾他不想要這個語音警示的話他可以跟業者去把它解掉可以自由選擇嗎"},{"start":562.597,"end":586.405,"text":"可以而且就算沒有推出這個措施之前一般民眾的行動手機手機端就可以設定我就是不要接來電位顯示我也可以拒接手機端就可以設定我剛剛講這個系統端是電信業者端來配合NCC這個打炸的需求因為有一陣子很多炸團是利用這個色化或行電話號碼不顯示的方式來打那這邊我們已經推出用語音警示來處理但是他都有"},{"start":587.25,"end":599.456,"text":"白話講 它都有UP OFF的功能就是有需求要顯眼的人這回去研究一下現在ACC沒有什麼功能啦它的功能有點身心障礙那樣"},{"start":602.126,"end":629.139,"text":"雖然有點半殘,但是還有一點走路的功能、講話的功能我希望你們再加油好不好你該表達的去表達一下嘛你不要不敢講話嘛,你也幾歲了他叫你退休,你就退休嘛,也沒事啊,有什麼事早一點退早一點好啊,不退了嘛,等一下拿你掉下山下去查,查了嗎,出了什麼東西是不是,等一下還要送到法院去"},{"start":631.499,"end":654.887,"text":"我說人家退休我都祝福他們功成身退啊工人幹了四五十年沒有任何的缺點能夠功成身退這對一個人來講不容易的一件事情所以你自己不要太愛惜羽毛愛惜到這種程度你向院長適度反映嘛愛惜羽毛剩三個你向民進黨趕快提過來啊對不對"},{"start":658.735,"end":668.951,"text":"你趕快商量一下嘛我們會透過適當的管道來反映越南跟總統都是很有智慧的人這個我想他們應該做得到好不好謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:32:58.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:32:58.699000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T10:32:58.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:32:58.999000+08:00","text":"好，我們現在請陳代理主委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:32:59.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:32:59.099000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:32:59.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:32:59.279000+08:00","text":"陳主委早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:32:59.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:33:00.420000+08:00","text":"請問一下，到目前為止，中天爭訟NCC敗訴的有幾件了？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:33:01.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:33:01.801000+08:00","text":"裁處的部分，原本中天電視臺的部分有26件。","quality":0.353},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:33:01.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:33:02.161000+08:00","text":"那時間已經有多久了？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:33:28.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:33:32.464000+08:00","text":"從不予換照前起算，最早是在103年，所以已經超過10年了。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:33:35.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:33:35.806000+08:00","text":"10年了喔！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:33:36.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:33:41.730000+08:00","text":"對，從最早的裁處案開始算。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:33:43.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:33:54.518000+08:00","text":"好，行政院目前不副署衛廣法第十八條、第十九條，我想請問一下主委，NCC是獨立行使職權還是附屬於行政院？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:33:55.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:00.266000+08:00","text":"NCC是獨立機關，但是也跟委員報告，副署、不副署權責不在NCC。好。","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:01.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:06.491000+08:00","text":"行政院副署、不副署跟你有關係嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:07.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:17.860000+08:00","text":"衛廣法是NCC主管，沒錯，交委會討論時我們的保留意見有提供給行政院。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:18.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:25.707000+08:00","text":"NCC既然是獨立行使職權的機關，那就不受行政院的約束嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:26.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:27.227000+08:00","text":"可以這麼講，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:28.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:30.868000+08:00","text":"要受到約束嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:30.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:33.588000+08:00","text":"你受到約束的話，你還獨立行使什麼職權？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:33.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:36.529000+08:00","text":"你的委員為什麼還要經過我們立法院的同意？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:36.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:42.370000+08:00","text":"但是立法程序是要經總統公告，如果沒有副署的話……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:42.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:43.750000+08:00","text":"總統公告他的嘛！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:44.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:45.791000+08:00","text":"行政院長只是不副署啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:47.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:49.181000+08:00","text":"NCC也不副署嗎？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:49.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:49.442000+08:00","text":"沒有吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:50.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:34:53.945000+08:00","text":"但是沒有公布，最後一公尺沒有完成。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:34:56.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:07.834000+08:00","text":"我再問，現在NCC打官司，如果敗訴了，有沒有受到副署、不副署的影響？","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:07.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:12.677000+08:00","text":"敗訴的話就依照正常SOP，我們的罰鍰就會退還給中天。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:14.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:14.535000+08:00","text":"錢退還給中天，你拿什麼錢退還？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:14.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:15.116000+08:00","text":"當初他繳的罰鍰啊！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:15.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:15.376000+08:00","text":"你要編預算嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:15.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:16.417000+08:00","text":"應該是有，目前我們也還了他120萬。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:16.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:16.917000+08:00","text":"我們中華民國的機關有打官司打10年、敗訴二十幾次的……","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:16.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:18.038000+08:00","text":"沒有，那是重複計算，我們只有敗訴7件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:18.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:18.098000+08:00","text":"敗訴幾件？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:18.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:42.353000+08:00","text":"26件只有敗訴7件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:43.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:44.553000+08:00","text":"你覺得太多還是太少？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:48.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:52.996000+08:00","text":"我們老百姓敗訴一件就被抓進去關了，你們則是沒事喔！","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:53.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:56.797000+08:00","text":"敗訴7件表示很少的意思，是不是？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:56.797000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:57.797000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:56.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:58.477000+08:00","text":"你要敗訴二十幾件才算，是不是這樣？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:35:58.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:35:59.937000+08:00","text":"我們的期待是敗訴零件。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:36:00.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:36:04.759000+08:00","text":"主委，沒有這回事啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:36:07.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:36:11.938000+08:00","text":"只許州官放火、不許百姓點燈，你們太欺負中天了，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:36:12.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:36:14.019000+08:00","text":"我們都是依法行政。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:36:15.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:36:24.083000+08:00","text":"現在行政院不副署，你們NCC就照案辦理，是不是？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:36:24.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:36:29.246000+08:00","text":"因為我們NCC只能依法行政，法律修正後沒有公布，我沒辦法處理。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:36:29.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:36:33.668000+08:00","text":"立法院三讀通過的東西，行政院可以不執行，他挑著吃！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:36:35.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:36:44.321000+08:00","text":"立法院三讀通過的東西，他通通可以不副署，不要說只挑其中一、兩件，全部不副署都可以，是不是？","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:36:46.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:36:48.424000+08:00","text":"這樣還要立法院幹什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:36:50.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:36:59.447000+08:00","text":"我們連行政院的立法局都不是了，起碼行政院還會聽立法局的意見，但立法院的決定行政院通通都不理啊！","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:37:00.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:37:07.598000+08:00","text":"那立法院就沒用了，我們在那邊質詢老半天只是狗吠火車，有什麼用呢？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:37:08.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:37:18.108000+08:00","text":"我覺得立法院可以裁撤，立法委員在那邊質詢什麼我也不知道，我真的是每天來這邊看笑話，我不曉得這些立法院諸公、諸婆在那邊質詢什麼，我不知道欸！","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:37:19.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:37:20.529000+08:00","text":"有用嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:37:20.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:37:32.356000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，依據行政院新聞稿的揭示，這些法案行政院沒有副署，是因為在憲法權力分立上，是有違這個原則的。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:37:32.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:37:34.937000+08:00","text":"你是憲法解釋機關嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:37:35.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:37:35.918000+08:00","text":"你在那邊講這個要幹什麼？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:37:35.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:37:37.299000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，我是引行政院的新聞稿。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:37:38.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:37:4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out的功能，就是有需求要顯碼的。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:42:49.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:42:49.934000+08:00","text":"好，主委，這個部分你回去研究一下啦！","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:42:51.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:42:52.415000+08:00","text":"現在NCC沒有什麼功能啦！有、有。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:42:53.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:04.169000+08:00","text":"它的功能有點身心障礙那樣，雖然有點半殘，但是還有一點走路的功能、講話的功能，我希望你們再加油，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:04.169000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:05.169000+08:00","text":"在我們職權範圍內我們都……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:04.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:07.591000+08:00","text":"你該表達的去表達一下嘛。是。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:08.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:13.454000+08:00","text":"你不要不敢講話嘛，你也幾歲了，他叫你退休，你就退休嘛，也沒事啊，有什麼事？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:15.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:17.095000+08:00","text":"早一點退，早一點好啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:17.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:22.478000+08:00","text":"不退，等一下拿你調查，一直去查，查出了什麼東西，對不對？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:23.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:24.119000+08:00","text":"等一下還要送到法院去！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:27.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:39.724000+08:00","text":"所以人家退休我都祝福他們功成身退，公務員幹了四、五十年，沒有任何的缺點，能夠功成身退這對一個人來講是不容易的一件事情，是不是？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:41.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:47.066000+08:00","text":"所以你自己不要太愛惜羽毛愛惜到這種程度，你向院長適度反映嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:48.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:49.887000+08:00","text":"NCC委員剩下三個，你叫他名單趕快提過來啊，對不對？","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:53.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:54.797000+08:00","text":"你趕快去商量一下嘛。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:55.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:43:57.821000+08:00","text":"我們會透過適當的管道來反映。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:43:58.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:44:03.510000+08:00","text":"我想院長跟總統都是很有智慧的人，他們應該做得到，好不好？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-03-25T10:44:03.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T10:44:03.931000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T10:44:04.431000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:44:05.573857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T10:44:05.873857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:44:11.302429+08:00","text":"好，謝謝陳雪生委員的發言，也謝謝陳代理主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T10:44:11.602429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:44:13.888143+08:00","text":"我們現在休息10分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T10:44:14.188143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:44:15.331000+08:00","text":"休息（10時44分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T10:44:15.631000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:44:17.345286+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時54分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T10:44:17.645286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:44:19.931000+08:00","text":"我們現在繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T10:44:20.231000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T10:44:23.373857+08:00","text":"接下來請魯明哲委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}