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這個只是其中的一小段那根據這個班上的孩子說這個老師不斷地會用手捏那同時呢也會用言語的咆哮的一個暴力的方式那更離譜的是這一位老師他在113年的3月就曾經因為"},{"start":137.51,"end":159.005,"text":"教保服務人員的一個條例對兒童有屬於這個非重大情節的不當的行為的對待被罰款這個六千元那這位老師長期在這個班上有一些失控的一個行為的狀態那同時更離譜的是他還有所謂的在群組當中列了他的夢想的清單"},{"start":161.26,"end":178.907,"text":"利用這個私立學校的一個這樣子的一個方式他的這些清單包含要有精品保養品名牌的甜點就說這個是老師的願望的清單那最高的金額是單件是高達了5850元"},{"start":182.128,"end":207.784,"text":"那我想針對這樣子的一個狀況那吹哨者呢指說這個原方其實早就已經知道這個老師的劣跡但是呢卻因為這位老師呢在學校其實相當的資深也擔心會害怕效應反而會被老師反告採取所謂的消極的一個態度那甚至已經發生了因為通常呢除了一位導師以外還有另外一位我們的這個教保員"},{"start":208.584,"end":227.749,"text":"也會在班上來做輔導對不對通常幼兒園是這樣子的一個狀況那現在也發生了多位協同的這個老師因為壓力過大而離職那甚至針對這樣子的一個知情不報或者延遲通報的校長跟員方請問我們教育部有什麼具體的一個裁罰的手段"},{"start":228.089,"end":253.789,"text":"我想這個都有相應的一個處理程序那因為這個個案委員提出來我們會後會就直接跟我們台北市教育局聯繫對於這個案件目前的處理進度如何來回報因為有很多的家長其實就因為自己的孩子在這個班上而這間學校其實強調的是從幼兒園的大班開始為了要直升所以他們可能會隱忍"},{"start":255.57,"end":275.63,"text":"這個是這間學校的長期以來的一個狀況因為我的孩子曾經讀過所以其實我非常的清楚那我想說不能讓這個貴族學校成為法外之地啊因為孩子的童年就這麼一次那麼幼兒園尤其是大班的孩子其實應該是要非常快樂健康的成長如果在學校的環境當中已經受到了威脅"},{"start":276.311,"end":291.487,"text":"恐懼甚至回到家裡還會晚上做噩夢甚至還會模仿暴力的行為甚至一直跟老師說對不起我想這個家長情何以堪按照相關處理程序台北市政府教育局應該都知道了這個是前天的新聞我們會會後會馬上聯繫了解他們怎麼處置再跟我說"},{"start":294.73,"end":315.118,"text":"好 那接下來其實剛剛講到這個學校的衛生法那我想在第六條其實我也有特別的提案那目前其實在我的第六條當中我希望是明文可以規定就是各級的主管機關應該補助學校設置所謂的多元的生理用品並且免費提供有需求的一個學生取用"},{"start":315.678,"end":333.377,"text":"但是根據各大專院校的學生團體性別平等學生倡議連線來跟我們反映以目前所謂的生理用品的補助在某一些大專端他們居然是跟弱勢助學金是綁在一起"},{"start":333.917,"end":358.133,"text":"也就是說學校當然我們願意承諾未來要配合這個修法的精神我們要有一些真正確實的一個行政的一個指引那避免這個學校將這個生理用品呢直接要掛鉤說要看成績然後再來要看懲處的助學金那我們怎麼樣來確保就是我們在所謂的這個性別平等"},{"start":360.655,"end":371.264,"text":"尤其是针对女性的生理用品的部分我们是能够一致性然后不要有任何的差别待遇如果也因为这样学生必须要有被"},{"start":372.318,"end":390.708,"text":"跟這個所謂的這個懲處或者是成績來做連結我想這個部分也不是我們的宗旨啦對我們102年開始進行這個友善提供多元生理用品計畫到現在其實各界還有包括基層的學生學校都有一些反應我們有在做一些滾動性的修正"},{"start":391.528,"end":407.388,"text":"那过去在大专院校确实是跟这些助学金绑在一起那未来我们现在规划是说如果我们分开的话以学生数的会做一些额外的一个附加目前正在理计划好那这个计划什么时候可以提供我会再请业务单位来说明一下"},{"start":408.004,"end":424.769,"text":"什麼時候可以提供我們大概如果有規劃好我們希望在115學年度開始來執行115學年度就是今年的8月1號8月1號之後好那如果有一些更具體的一個書面的部分再提供給我今天因為時間的關係我後面還有兩題要詢問好謝謝"},{"start":428.71,"end":441.589,"text":"那剛剛其實我們大家都知道我們現在是要進入校園我們要攬財我們要吸引更多的真的有教學的熱忱的老師其實是越來越不容易了那我想課後照顧的終點費"},{"start":443.852,"end":469.433,"text":"那老師的一些差別待遇的問題在這裡呢我也還是要提醒我們的教育部這有點像雞生蛋誕生雞的一個問題啦那因為這是在於地方的這個縣市那麼他們對於所謂的這個課後輔導也就是針對每個學校他們可能在招收也就是說留在學校的課後輔導的學生的人數要收費多少來訂定要給老師多少的終點費沒有錯嗎應該是這樣對不對"},{"start":473.017,"end":474.501,"text":"自然我請那個署長來說明一下"},{"start":476.099,"end":492.434,"text":"跟委員報告兩點這裡面會涉及到跟學生的收費跟他行政支出後和老師可以和那個老師的終點費的關係所以他有兩點一個是收費一個是行政跟那個老師終點費的關係這個因為涉及到家長的收費是不是給我們一點時間所以這個就是我剛剛講的寄生蛋蛋生氣的問題因為它還牽扯到所謂的這個聯動的一個關係所以這個我們要怎麼樣跟縣市政府那"},{"start":503.443,"end":523.464,"text":"給你們一點時間不牽涉到家長收費的問題我們大概都在檢討了而且都有一些該給的現在也在算了那有涉及到跟家長收費部分可能各地方政府的態度不太一樣所以我們必須要尊重他們的態度大概可以檢討多久或者是說我們可以盤點多久我們其實好像已經在跟他們談了"},{"start":525.1,"end":551.786,"text":"可能要再给我们两个月因为这个比较复杂好 两个月的时间谈了就发现没有那么单纯所以还要点时间我懂 因为这个跟地方有关但是其实这个我们还是需要去盘点不然其实有很多的这个课后辅导的老师他们其实也非常的辛苦那造成这个所谓的师资的流动课后辅导也是课程好 我们就持续再处理了好 那今天因为时间关系我后面还有题我们就用书面好 谢谢好 谢谢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:03.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:03.938000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:04.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:05.900000+08:00","text":"有請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:05.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:07.482000+08:00","text":"有請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:07.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:09.224000+08:00","text":"可能署長也一起好了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:10.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:10.846000+08:00","text":"彭署長嗎？是。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:11.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:14.034000+08:00","text":"委員好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:14.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:14.554000+08:00","text":"次長早安！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:15.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:15.174000+08:00","text":"署長早安！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:16.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:40.141000+08:00","text":"我想，在進入今天的「學校衛生法」議題之前，我們先來看一下，因為最近有一所私立的貴族幼兒園發生幼教亂象，一名任職超過20年的資深老師被家長指控長期對幼生進行不當的管教。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:40.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:54.926000+08:00","text":"根據家長的描述，他的孩子現在非常害怕去學校，同時這個小孩也出現了非常嚴重的心理創傷，包含：半夜會驚醒、不斷地道歉，甚至會模仿暴力行為。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:56.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:57.548000+08:00","text":"這位家長是虎爸哦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:58.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:04.490000+08:00","text":"他甚至還說他要在家裡播放佛經，這樣才能夠平復孩子的情緒。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:04.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:12.893000+08:00","text":"當然，他在群組裡面寫了一篇非常長的文章來對老師做這樣相對的控訴。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:13.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:15.194000+08:00","text":"為什麼我會提到這間學校？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:15.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:27.017000+08:00","text":"因為當時我的孩子也在這間幼兒園裡頭，我們先來看一下這個短短的影片，請2位告訴我，我們應該要怎麼樣來處理這樣的現象？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:27.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:27.177000+08:00","text":"有聲音嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:27.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:27.617000+08:00","text":"可以把聲音打開嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:27.617000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:55.885000+08:00","text":"（播放影片）","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:55.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:58.006000+08:00","text":"好，這個只是其中一小段。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:59.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:07.768000+08:00","text":"根據班上的孩子說，這個老師會不斷地用手捏他，同時也會用言語來咆哮等暴力方式。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:08.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:22.015000+08:00","text":"更離譜的是，這位老師在113年3月就曾經因為對兒童有非重大情節的不當行為，而被「教保服務人員條例」裁罰6,000元。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:23.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:27.059000+08:00","text":"這位老師長期的在班上有一些失控的行為。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:28.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:55.887000+08:00","text":"同時，更離譜的是，他還在群組裡列出他的「夢想清單」，他利用私立學校這樣的方式，他的清單包含：精品、保養品與名牌甜點，他說這是老師的願望清單，單件最高金額高達5,850元。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:00.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:17.699000+08:00","text":"針對這樣的狀況，吹哨者指出說，其實園方早就已經知道這名老師的劣跡，但是卻因為這名老師在學校相當資深，也擔心、害怕會影響到校譽，被老師反告，所以採取消極的態度。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:18.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:28.565000+08:00","text":"甚至已經發生了、因為班上通常除了會有一位導師之外，還會有另外一位教保員在班上輔導，對不對？","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:29.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:31.305000+08:00","text":"幼兒園通常都是這樣的狀況。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:32.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:44.729000+08:00","text":"現在也發生了多位協同老師因為壓力過大而離職，針對這樣知情不報或是延遲通報的校長跟園方，請問教育部有什麼樣具體的裁罰手段？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:45.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:48.191000+08:00","text":"我想這個都有相應的處理程序。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:48.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:59.540000+08:00","text":"因為這個個案委員提出來了，會後我們會直接的跟臺北市教育局聯繫來了解目前這個案件的處理進度並回報。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:59.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:42.721000+08:00","text":"好，因為有很多的家長因為自己的孩子在這個班上，而這間學校強調的又是可以從幼兒園大班直升，所以他們可能會隱忍，這是這間學校長期以來的狀況，因為我的孩子也曾經就讀過，所以我非常的清楚，但是我們不能讓貴族學校成為「法外之地」，因為孩子的童年就只有這麼一次，尤其是幼兒園大班的孩子，他們應該要非常快樂、健康的成長，如果他們在學校的環境裡受到威脅、恐懼，甚至回到家裡晚上還會做惡夢；甚至還會模仿暴力行為；甚至會一直的跟老師說對不起，我想這個家長情何以堪。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:43.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:48.046000+08:00","text":"對，按照相關的處理程序，臺北市政府教育局應該都知道，這是前天的新聞，會後我們會馬上聯繫來瞭解他們是怎麼處置的。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:48.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:48.487000+08:00","text":"好，請再跟我說。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:52.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:12.098000+08:00","text":"接下來、其實剛剛講到「學校衛生法」，針對第六條我也有提案，在我的提案裡，我希望明文規定各級主管機關應該補助學校設置所謂的「多元生理用品」，並且免費提供給有需求的學生來取用。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:12.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:30.357000+08:00","text":"但是根據各大專院校學生團體、性別平等學生倡議連線來跟我們反映，以目前生理用品的補助，某一些大專端居然是跟弱勢助學金綁在一起。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:32.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:51.210000+08:00","text":"當然，我們願意承諾未來配合修法的精神，我們要有一些行政指引，避免學校將這個生理用品直接掛勾的說要看成績或懲處的助學金，我們要怎麼樣確保？","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:57.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:15.281000+08:00","text":"尤其是針對女性生理用品的部分，我們要能夠有一致性，不要有任何的差別待遇，如果因為這樣，學生就必須要跟所謂的懲處或者是成績來做連結，我想這個部分也不是我們的宗旨。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:17.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:27.688000+08:00","text":"對，我們從102年開始進行友善提供多元生理用品計畫到現在，其實各界、包括基層的學生和學校也都有反映，我們有在做一些滾動性的修正。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:28.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:40.022000+08:00","text":"過去大專院校確實是跟助學金綁在一起，我們現在是規劃，如果未來分開的話，會以學生數來做額外的附加，這個目前正在擬計畫。","quality":0.547},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:41.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:42.786000+08:00","text":"好，這個計畫什麼時候可以提供？","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:42.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:44.368000+08:00","text":"我請業務單位來說明一下。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:45.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:45.804000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以提供？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾副司長新元","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:48.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:51.926000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，如果有規劃好，我們希望115學年度開始執行。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:53.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:53.507000+08:00","text":"115學年度？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾副司長新元","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:53.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:54.647000+08:00","text":"也就是今年的8月1日。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:55.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:56.147000+08:00","text":"8月1日之後？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"曾副司長新元","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:56.147000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:57.147000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:56.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:00.068000+08:00","text":"好，如果有一些更具體的書面，請再提供給我。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:00.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:01.769000+08:00","text":"今天因為時間的關係，我後面還有2題要詢問，謝謝。好。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:01.769000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:06.271000+08:00","text":"我們會持續的優化。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:06.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:46.393000+08:00","text":"其實我們大家都知道，現在校園要攬才、吸引更多有教學熱誠的老師，已經越來越不容易了，我想課後照顧的鐘點費、老師差別待遇的問題，我在這裡還是要提醒教育部，這有點像是「蛋生雞」、「雞生蛋」的問題，因為地方縣市政府對於所謂的「課後輔導」、也就是每間學校會以留校進行課後輔導的學生人數收費來訂定要給老師多少的鐘點費，沒有錯嗎？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:46.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:46.433000+08:00","text":"應該是這樣對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:50.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:51.481000+08:00","text":"我請署長來說明一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:53.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:07.432000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告2點，這裡面會涉及到跟學生的收費，及行政支出和老師鐘點費的關係，所以它有2點，一點是收費，一個是行政和老師鐘點費的關係，因為這個涉及到跟家長的收費，所以是不是給我們一點時間？","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:07.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:09.394000+08:00","text":"所以這個就是我剛才講的「雞生蛋」、「蛋生雞」的問題，因為它還牽扯到連動的關係，所以這個我們要怎麼樣跟縣市政府？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:20.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:21.544000+08:00","text":"給你們一點時間，你所謂的這個「時間」，我們……","quality":0.412},{"speak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