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下一頁我有沒有問題要不要宣導"},{"start":332.944,"end":358.429,"text":"我有沒有建議你找經濟部一起宣導?有沒有建議你找經濟部一起宣導?有的你有沒有找經濟部宣導?我們在各國稅局都在限定你們沒有找經濟部宣導啦告訴你原來小店家當年2018年賴總統當行政院長的時候行動置戶1.0版的時候5%變成1%都是經濟部在針對小店家做宣導啦現在你們是2.0版啊要不要找經濟部一起宣導?"},{"start":359.489,"end":377.785,"text":"好,我們一定會找經濟部一起訓導好,那最後呢,我們就結論啦,這個國票就不分啦所以為了鼓勵印花稅多元繳納的方式,怎麼樣可以符合政府的尊潔開支的目的請你們評估相關的手續費,不是水續費齁還有責讓,還有誘因,讓我們印花稅小額繳納量手的商業人比較方便,好不好"},{"start":378.525,"end":385.518,"text":"委員是不是可以容許我們三個月因為這還要跟地方政府討論因為我已經跟陳滿能討論很久了上個月謝謝謝謝主席謝謝張嘉斌委員接下來請蔡春籌委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:12.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:15.892000+08:00","text":"主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:16.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:18.834000+08:00","text":"有請財政部莊部長、賦稅署宋署長。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:18.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:19.294000+08:00","text":"請財政部莊部長、賦稅署宋署長。","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:19.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:19.374000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:19.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:20.395000+08:00","text":"部長好、署長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:21.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:34.936000+08:00","text":"部長，你有沒有拿過200元的新臺幣紙鈔？有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:35.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:36.557000+08:00","text":"有沒有拿過2,000元的？很少？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:37.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:40.380000+08:00","text":"你有沒有拿過三塊錢的新臺幣硬幣？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:40.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:41.841000+08:00","text":"三塊錢？對。沒有。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:41.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:44.884000+08:00","text":"有沒有拿過四塊錢的新臺幣硬幣？沒有。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:45.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:45.884000+08:00","text":"因為沒有發行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:46.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:51.669000+08:00","text":"你知道目前我們印花稅的稅票有幾種面額嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:51.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:55.532000+08:00","text":"印花稅的稅票有好多種面額，有一塊、三塊、四塊、五塊等等。","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:55.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:03.178000+08:00","text":"有三塊錢的、有四塊錢的、有二十塊錢的，我實在搞不懂印花稅票為什麼要有這麼多種面額？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:04.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:06.850000+08:00","text":"因為有零頭的需要。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:07.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:12.114000+08:00","text":"我們找錢也有零頭，可從來沒有拿過三塊錢的銅板沒有拿過四塊錢的銅板。","quality":0.516},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:13.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:25.424000+08:00","text":"我現在的問題是有民眾跟我反映，他要貼個大概八十塊錢的印花稅票，郵局說「歹勢，我們只有50跟100的」，請問他怎麼繳印花稅？","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:25.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:30.769000+08:00","text":"部長，這要怎麼辦？對啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:32.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:40.707000+08:00","text":"郵局說我們現在只有一塊錢、五十塊跟一百塊的，所以他被迫要買80張一塊錢的。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:44.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:45.215000+08:00","text":"部長有沒有覺得很奇怪？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:45.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:48.338000+08:00","text":"還有，為什麼印花稅票要用貼的？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:49.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:50.340000+08:00","text":"什麼情況下會貼印花稅票？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:51.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:54.123000+08:00","text":"除了貼稅票之外，我們還有總額繳納、開立繳款書等方式。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:54.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:54.543000+08:00","text":"我知道啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:54.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:02.369000+08:00","text":"其他還有總額繳納、網路申報、開立繳款書等方式，但是最麻煩的是什麼？","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:02.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:03.130000+08:00","text":"印花稅票嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:04.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:06.273000+08:00","text":"郵局一年幫你們發行多少印花稅票？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:08.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:12.641000+08:00","text":"郵局幫你們發行印花稅票，你要付手續費。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:12.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:24.153000+08:00","text":"印花稅一年大概180億，貼票的大概18億，18億的5%手續費，你們一年大概要繳9,000萬給郵局。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:27.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:33.408000+08:00","text":"部長，我是有備而來的，數字可能不是很精準，但大概是這樣的情況。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:33.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:52.657000+08:00","text":"這個印花稅，連蘇貞昌院長任內都很難把它終結，雖然這是個非常非常古老，我不敢說落後，但是因為它涉及到中央立法地方的稅源，當地方稅損沒有補充的時候，中央沒有辦法把它作廢，是不是這樣子？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:53.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:55.420000+08:00","text":"但你至少讓民眾方便繳稅嘛！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:56.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:29:58.784000+08:00","text":"你現在有在用200元和2,000元的紙鈔嗎？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:29:58.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:02.048000+08:00","text":"你有找到3元、4元、5元的銅板嗎？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:02.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:04.972000+08:00","text":"我們的印花稅有這樣一個落伍的作法，部長，怎麼辦？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:10.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:13.141000+08:00","text":"委員，第一個是印花稅是屬於地方稅，曾經討論過要不要廢除……","quality":0.52},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:13.141000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:14.141000+08:00","text":"我知道，我剛剛講過，你不用重複我講的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:13.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:13.681000+08:00","text":"所以一年大概有二百多億的稅收。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:13.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:14.681000+08:00","text":"我剛剛說180億。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:13.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:14.702000+08:00","text":"至於繳納的方式，我們儘量用各種多元的繳納方式，就如同委員這樣……","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:14.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:15.143000+08:00","text":"你直接告訴我貼票的有多少！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:15.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:15.763000+08:00","text":"貼票的有多少請賦稅署說明。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:29.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:31.423000+08:00","text":"這個題目我早就給你們了，你就直接講。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"宋署長秀玲","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:32.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:37.347000+08:00","text":"有，報告委員，我們目前200億裡面有7.8億是貼印花稅票。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:37.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:40.189000+08:00","text":"不是18億，是7.8億？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:30:40.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:30:56.680000+08:00","text":"為了這要貼票的7.8億，我們要維持這樣一個印刷、發行、補貨，且民眾還要去郵局購買的方式，而且我用在高雄郵局買的印花稅票去繳納屏東的契約銀錢收據，請問這筆錢是給屏東縣政府還是高雄市政府？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:00.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:08.489000+08:00","text":"就是我用在高雄的郵局買的印花稅票貼在給屏東縣政府的銀錢收據上，怎麼拆帳？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"宋署長秀玲","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:08.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:17.734000+08:00","text":"委員，這沒有拆帳的問題，那是賣稅，印花稅票是抽手續費，至於印花稅是繳給當地的地方政府。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:19.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:24.378000+08:00","text":"我在郵局買100元的印花稅票，這100元給誰？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:24.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:24.518000+08:00","text":"郵局嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:25.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:28.041000+08:00","text":"郵局知道要給屏東縣還是給高雄市政府嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"宋署長秀玲","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:29.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:35.482000+08:00","text":"他是買印花稅票用來繳納印花稅，我們是按照印花稅的金額撥給地方。","quality":0.517},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:38.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:40.185000+08:00","text":"因為發言時間有限，你們回去慢慢想！","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:41.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:50.252000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣可以把這麼落伍的、用貼票的方式落日，部長有沒有打算讓這個東西可以符合數位化的時代？","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:52.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:58.603000+08:00","text":"這個部分其實已經有多種方式，至於如何數位化，我想我們可以再來研議看看有沒有可行性。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:31:59.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:31:59.984000+08:00","text":"可能要立法啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:00.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:19.375000+08:00","text":"譬如說在一定金額以下才可能用貼票的方式；如果在一定金額底下不用貼票，改採多元繳納，比如用電子繳納，我就給你打個折扣，比方打個七五折，200元、400元以下的可以少繳100元的話，它就可能不採用貼票方式了！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:19.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:24.739000+08:00","text":"下一個題目是對小吃店開發票為什麼財政部要澄清？","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:24.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:26.040000+08:00","text":"澄清什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:26.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:32.885000+08:00","text":"豆漿店、麵食店、自助餐便當店現在是不受20萬限制的，對不對？對。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:35.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:39.991000+08:00","text":"這個已經談論很久了，去年就做好了對不對？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:39.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:41.472000+08:00","text":"今年開始我有沒有問你要不要宣導？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:41.472000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:44.944000+08:00","text":"有，委員有提醒要我們做參考。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:44.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:50.385000+08:00","text":"我有沒有建議你找經濟部一起去宣導？有的。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:50.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:52.986000+08:00","text":"你有沒有找經濟部宣導？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:52.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:54.466000+08:00","text":"我們各國稅局都在現地作業。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:55.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:32:56.586000+08:00","text":"你們沒有找經濟部宣導！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:32:56.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:06.888000+08:00","text":"告訴你，當年2018年賴總統當行政院長，行動支付1.0版的時候，從5%變成1%都是經濟部在針對小店家做宣導！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:07.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:10.429000+08:00","text":"現在你們是2.0版，要不要找經濟部一起宣導？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:11.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:13.551000+08:00","text":"好，我們一定會找經濟部一起宣導。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:13.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:14.772000+08:00","text":"最後做個結論。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:16.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:29.765000+08:00","text":"為了鼓勵印發稅採多元繳納方式，怎麼樣可以符合政府撙節開支的目的，請你們評估相關的手續費及成本折讓還有提供誘因，讓我們印發稅額小繳納量少的納稅義務人比較方便，好不好？","quality":0.779},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:30.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:31.908000+08:00","text":"委員是不是可以容許我們三個月內提出？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:32.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:33.871000+08:00","text":"因為這還要跟地方政府討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:33.871000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:34.871000+08:00","text":"可以啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:33.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:34.953000+08:00","text":"因為我已經跟你們的承辦人討論很久了。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:35.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:35.394000+08:00","text":"三個月，謝謝！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:35.394000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:36.394000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:35.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:35.574000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:36.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:36.696000+08:00","text":"謝謝鍾佳濱委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:33:36.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:33:37.518000+08:00","text":"接下來請蔡春綢委員質詢。","quality":0.909}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}