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要總預算趕快通過啦"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:44:54.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:45:02.970000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請經濟部部長、產發署署長以及中油董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:45:02.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:45:05.351000+08:00","text":"請經濟部部長、產發署署長跟中油董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:45:05.351000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:45:10.850000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:45:10.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:46:06.282000+08:00","text":"部長，因為美伊戰爭，臺灣在2025年有60%的原油是經由荷姆茲海峽，天然氣也高達34%，如果按照戰爭後整個國際原油價格、天然氣價格的漲幅，可能汽油和柴油要暴漲15元和16.9元，對民生物價是地獄級、災難級的通膨，行政院、中油緊急的措施下去之後，我們92汽油還控制在30.7元、95汽油是32元、柴油是29.5元，這個價格都是亞鄰最低，相對於跟我們最有競爭關係的韓國、甚至日本，價格都遠低於它們。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:46:06.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:46:39.169000+08:00","text":"當然，這要付出代價，中油在這3個禮拜已經負擔了65億元，未來漲的狀況及戰爭的後續無法預測，中油現在規劃要增資3,500億元，也是需要立法院的支持，部長你們已經開始遊說了嗎？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:46:39.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:46:41.471000+08:00","text":"你覺得其他的政黨會支持嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:46:44.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:46:49.455000+08:00","text":"剛剛召委也講到中油負擔政策任務，我們希望委員大力支持。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:46:51.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:47:00.683000+08:00","text":"當然，我們支持執政團隊，但是相對的，你們現在遊說的動作已經啟動了嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:47:00.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:47:19.376000+08:00","text":"要遊說就是要快，戰爭還在持續中，一旦時間拖過了，後面在野黨就不理你了，在野黨保證不理你，以後就是中油負擔這一筆，你們特別預算就是過不了。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:47:19.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:47:26.342000+08:00","text":"事實上總質詢的時候，有幾位在野黨的委員也主動提出來應該要支持中油。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:47:27.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:47:55.100000+08:00","text":"對，他們質詢當然會說會支持中油，那是講給大家聽，實際的支持就是投票才算，包括追加預算、支持中油的特別預算，現在就要提出，趁現在大家已經感受到是中油在幫大家平穩物價，這個時候就要拿出來，不能等到幾個月過後，搞不好那時候戰爭結束了，已經沒感覺了，沒人要理你們了。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:47:58.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:47:59.447000+08:00","text":"我再跟行政院討論一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:47:59.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:48:15.669000+08:00","text":"你們要跟行政院講，很多事就是要快，拖下去就來不及了，最後就是中油自己買單，然後又陷入當時台電的狀況，我們每次要協助台電的特別預算1,000億元永遠過不了，就是這個樣子。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:48:17.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:48:27.874000+08:00","text":"事實上，我還想跟產發署討論塑膠袋，甚至在農業的部分，小番茄的PET塑膠盒，他們叫作便當盒，現在都買不到。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:48:32.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:49:14.760000+08:00","text":"我早上也有個記者會跟中油討論，中油說我們原料的供應沒有短少，所以企業拿得到原料，既然是同樣的製造原料，應該要有這些成品出來，但是最末端的消費者、真正要使用這些塑膠袋的人買不到，農民要用的農業包材、小番茄用的便當盒都買不到，他們就要個別去議價，他們沒有議價能力，只能任由漲價，就面對大幅度的漲價，經濟部有沒有掌握這個狀況？","quality":0.747},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:49:14.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:49:16.741000+08:00","text":"以及你們要怎麼因應？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:49:16.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:49:18.543000+08:00","text":"這個時候是不是有人在囤貨？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:49:18.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:49:30.733000+08:00","text":"或者是人的預期心理，買的比過去還多，造成整個市場短少，經濟部要怎麼處理後續的狀況？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-03-25T11:49:35.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:50:03.690000+08:00","text":"您關心的這個問題對民生來講相當重要，所以經濟部對這件事也相當重視，部長也召開專案會議，針對這些石化大廠供應的部分也做了很多協調，像石化大廠暫時停止對外的輸出，以供應國內的生產為優先，雖然原料價格有上漲，但是我們要確保整個供應是無虞的。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"邱署長求慧","start":"2026-03-25T11:50:04.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:50:23.438000+08:00","text":"但是現在我們發現有一些中盤的經銷商在心態上有點延緩出貨或囤貨的現象，我們在此呼籲，上游的供應是沒有問題的，雖然價格上漲，但是大家不要有預期心理，這樣會導致市場秩序的混亂，而且有違法之虞。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:50:25.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:50:50.453000+08:00","text":"有違法之虞這件事我覺得要大聲講出來，因為現在出貨沒有問題，原料沒問題，也沒有外銷到國外，主要是供應國內民生需要，既然原料來源無虞，後端不應該變這樣，這就是中間出問題，就是有違法囤貨的狀況，你們要講出來，而且真的要去徹查到底誰在囤貨。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:50:59.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:51:18.108000+08:00","text":"我們商業署也跟幾個通路商或百貨公司、百貨通路商進行了解和調查是不是真的有缺貨的狀況，我們也會隨時反應，如果有的話，我們會居中協調。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:51:18.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:51:37.418000+08:00","text":"應該要去第一線了解清楚，因為現在末端就是買不到，不然就是被漲價，看起來末端就是這樣的狀況，既然末端這樣，就往前追溯上去，看是哪個環節在囤貨，這個要注意。好。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:51:38.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:52:09.209000+08:00","text":"最後我再問一個問題，因為現在總預算還沒有通過，事實上我們從去年丹娜絲颱風過後知道地方很多排水系統，例如六腳大排、南靖排水，牽扯到包括我們嘉義六腳鄉、新港鄉，南靖也包括水上和鹿草整治的問題，因為總預算沒有過，今年是不是所有的整治計畫都要喊停、沒有辦法繼續嗎？","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:52:11.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:52:16.699000+08:00","text":"我們還是希望總預算趕快可以通過，地方的建設非常重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:52:18.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:52:42.785000+08:00","text":"不只是地方建設而已，這是百姓的生命安全，因為去年的颱風，我們也檢討了幾個案子，包括六腳大排要趕快往上游逐步延伸，趕快把堤防做起來，它現在都是土堤，我們只要把它拉高，變成比較正常、保護安全標準比較高的堤防，現在總預算沒過，到底今年能不能做？","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:52:45.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:52:46.129000+08:00","text":"是不是都會卡住？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:52:46.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:52:48.490000+08:00","text":"延續的舊案還是可以執行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:52:49.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:52:52.853000+08:00","text":"可是這些是從丹娜絲之後規劃的新案。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T11:52:53.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:52:55.254000+08:00","text":"新案就還要等總預算。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:52:57.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:53:14.890000+08:00","text":"沒辦法，這實在是……今年就拖過去了，足足浪費一年，我覺得問題還是要凸顯，這些治水的工作今年能做的就逐步趕快做，今年這樣就浪費一年的時間，現在已經3月了，我實在很煩惱。是。","quality":0.699},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:53:18.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:53:30.395000+08:00","text":"當然，經濟部遇到這樣的狀況也是很無奈，但還是要規劃一下，如果今年真的不行，有沒有什麼替代方案？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:53:31.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:53:35.897000+08:00","text":"萬一今年有颱風來，遇到颱風大雨，大家都會擔心。","quality":0.45},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:53:38.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:53:40.739000+08:00","text":"請經濟部再跟委員報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:53:41.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:53:43.480000+08:00","text":"跟我報告沒有用，要總預算趕快通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-25T11:53:43.980000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:53:45.408571+08:00","text":"你去選縣長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:53:45.708571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:53:47.137143+08:00","text":"我會擔憂啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-03-25T11:53:47.437143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:53:51.151429+08:00","text":"我們那個治水沒過實在會很慘……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:53:51.451429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:53:54.594286+08:00","text":"下一位請劉書彬委員質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:53:54.894286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:54:03.751429+08:00","text":"因為本委委員的優待已經結束，所以請他委4分鐘準時，我會站起來制止，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}