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左手搞大罷免的戲碼終於到最終章了"},{"start":2542.782,"end":2564.922,"text":"你口中的雜質也就是2300萬台灣人民會站出來用選票教訓傲慢的政府用行動保護自己的未來跟健康台灣真正的雜質不是人民是那些把人民當成敵人把不同意見當成垃圾只會護航錯誤政策的民進黨政府"},{"start":2565.763,"end":2578.068,"text":"最後送給賴清德一句話別忘了選票才是最純粹的反擊我們會讓你知道誰才是雜質請7月26日站出來投不同意罷免"},{"start":2603.994,"end":2604.803,"text":"主席各位立院先進"},{"start":2606.565,"end":2633.013,"text":"賴清德總統上禮拜的一席話雜誌說引發全國大家的嘩然大家的討論如果這不是賴清德總統的本意為何沒有接受沒有向人民來正式的道歉如果這就是賴清德總統的本意為何總統府後續的新聞稿卻又把這幾個字給拿掉說實在話這樣子的一個說法已經深深的傷害全台2350萬人的心"},{"start":2634.873,"end":2656.339,"text":"台灣2350萬人沒有任何一個人應該被稱為雜質我必須要引用2017年NBA的冠軍勇士隊的教練Steve Kerr他曾經寫過一段話一個文章給當時的川普總統而這一段話我覺得到現在來講都還是放諸世海皆准"},{"start":2657.213,"end":2668.659,"text":"他說我們生活在一個美好的國家這個國家有缺陷但我覺得能生活在這邊無比的幸運如果你想告訴我不喜歡這裡你可以滾的話你可以審審"},{"start":2671.27,"end":2688.279,"text":"熱愛這裡 熱愛國家我們也接受這個國家的不完美但更重要的是要讓國家變好的方式就是覺醒 體諒 接受接受 擁抱 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各位同仁 大家好桃園航空城計畫推動十餘年來 破壞的不是只有土地開發與地方建設更不只是興建新航廈與跑道的機場擴建案"},{"start":3043.735,"end":3048.278,"text":"而是要透過周邊產業的發展 嶄新市政的開發升級國資門戶 打造台灣成為東亞航運樞紐為了美好願景 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謝謝向各位院會委員報告表決結果各位委員我們現在出席委員有110位贊成60位反對50位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨黨團所提議照案通過"},{"start":6027.165,"end":6049.238,"text":"報言會 我們院會剛才通過台灣民眾黨黨團僅限列之提議因此其他黨團的提議就不再處理我們列入公報記錄本次會議一時日程包括四項質詢四項照台灣民眾黨黨團提議通過報言會 我們現在繼續處理討論四項部分一 先後處理各黨團提議"},{"start":6050.839,"end":6073.884,"text":"首先我們要處理台灣民眾黨黨團討論事項提供一案請議事人員宣讀提議內容本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第三會期第十八次會議事程討論事項提議僅限列如附表12案是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢請問院會對台灣民眾黨黨團之提議有無異議"},{"start":6080.629,"end":6098.246,"text":"有意義我們要進行表決我們現在針對台灣民眾黨黨團之提議贊成請按贊成反對請按反對現有民進黨及台灣民眾黨要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":6171.19,"end":6190.308,"text":"報議會報告表決結果在場委員出席110位贊成60位反對50位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨黨團提議照案通過報議會因為院會方才通過台灣民眾黨黨團僅限列之提議"},{"start":6191.048,"end":6209.097,"text":"因此其他黨團體我們不再進行處理列入公報記錄本次會議議事日程討論事項照台灣民眾黨黨團體通過本次會議議事日程確定我們現在進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第三會期第七次會議議事錄"},{"start":6210.993,"end":6236.461,"text":"宣讀立法院第十一屆第三會期第十一次會議事錄時間中華民國一百十四年六月二十日上午九時至九時二十一分時時至十一時二十六分六月二十四日上午九十一分至十時地點本院議場主席委員一百十二人請教委員一人主席副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第三會期第十六次會議事錄決定"},{"start":6238.802,"end":6256.016,"text":"確定第2至5、8至15、18、20至38、40至145案均決定交互相互委員會審查處理或交互相互委員會第6、7、16、17、39案均決定同意撤回"},{"start":6257.523,"end":6275.992,"text":"第十九案 決定 建務奧圖與相關提案並案協商第一百十六至一百五十二、一百四至一百五十七、一百五十九至一百六十五案為外交局、國安委員會等所提出報告案第一百五十三、第一百五十八案均決定展延審查期限"},{"start":6277.132,"end":6293.968,"text":"諮詢事項甲 行政檔案部門一件 與兩院委員諮詢部門二件討論事項第一項決議不一案不通過第二項決議交互黨團協商第三四項均決議協商後再行處理第五項決議修正通過其他事項一"},{"start":6295.936,"end":6323.346,"text":"本院會議議事日程照國民黨黨團提議通過澳台灣民眾黨黨團提議抽出軍澳獨共澳案均予以通過宣讀完畢報告委員會我們針對第三會期第十七次的會議議事錄並沒有違和黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們現在做以下決定第三會期第十七次會議議事錄確定現在報告委員會我們現在進行處理針列部分請宣讀第一案"},{"start":6324.076,"end":6334.125,"text":"第一案 本院委員陳金輝等19人鄰居不在即投票罰草案一時出意見交內政委員會審查訊息完畢決議會有異議沒有異議通過下議案"},{"start":6334.704,"end":6356.164,"text":"第二案 本院委員王宏偉等二十六人離聚不再接投票法草案一四處一間交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢第三案 本院委員王宏偉等二十六人離聚道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案一四處一間交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢第四案 本院委員林倩琦等十六人離聚社會訴處罰第五條條文修正草案"},{"start":6357.825,"end":6359.425,"text":"委員通過下言委員通過下言委員通過下言"},{"start":6380.771,"end":6408.629,"text":"第七案本院委员徐欣盈等17人离聚不明教育法第3条第4条及第28条文修正常案一事出一件交交与及文化委员会审查宣布完毕第八案本院委员徐欣盈等17人离聚强迫入学条例第2条文修正常案一事出一件交交与及文化委员会审查宣布完毕第九案本院委员柯志恩等19人离聚教育基本法第2条文修正常案一事出一件交交与及文化委员会审查宣布完毕"},{"start":6409.449,"end":6427.176,"text":"第十案 本院院科生等17人離去 技術及職業教育法第九條條文修正草案 議事處一間教育及文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十一案 本院院科生等21人離去 大學法第七條條文修正草案 議事處一間教育及文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":6428.737,"end":6446.525,"text":"第十二案 本院員柯志恩等17人離去 道路交通管理處罰條例第21條條文修憲草案 議事處一件交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十三案 本院員柯志恩等16人離去 道路交通管理處罰條例第86條條文修憲草案 議事處一件交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":6447.065,"end":6448.605,"text":"第十四案第十五案第十五案"},{"start":6468.188,"end":6494.052,"text":"第十六案本院委员正贴材的二十人理据农业保险法第二条及第十条条文修正草案第十七案本院委员正贴材的十六人理据劳动基准法第三十七条条文修正草案第十八案本院委员耿如君等十七人理据公民投票不在籍投票法草案第十八案"},{"start":6497.153,"end":6515.675,"text":"第十九案 本院台湾民众党劳团领据涉及国家安全或重大利益公务员特殊场合条例草案 议事处以尖叫司法及法治委员会审查宣传完毕第二十案 本院台湾民众党劳团领据虚拟资产人服务法草案 议事处以尖叫财政委员会审查宣传完毕"},{"start":6517.257,"end":6526.568,"text":"第21案本院院王振旭的20人累居全民健康保险资料管理条例草案意识处于监教社会福利及外星人环境委员会审查训练完毕"},{"start":6528.598,"end":6550.596,"text":"第22案 本院委員會 王梅慧等18人一聚 詐欺犯罪 危害防制條例第47條條文修正草案 議事處一間交交內政委員會審查 宣傳完畢無疑通過 下議案第23案 本院委員會 范雲等18人一聚 運動產業發展條例第13條及第26條條文修正草案 議事處一間交交務及文化委員會審查 宣傳完畢無疑通過 下議案"},{"start":6551.601,"end":6574.737,"text":"第24案 本院委員劉建國等18人離聚 老年農民福利今天撰寫條例第4條條文修正草案 議事處一間教社會福利及衛生環境經濟內政三委員會審查 宣讀完畢無疑通過 下一案第25案 本院委員劉建國等17人離聚 性別平等工作法第15條條文修正草案 議事處一間教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無疑通過 下一案"},{"start":6575.017,"end":6592.621,"text":"第二十六案 本院委員劉建國的學信任理據兒童及少年福利與成因保障法第十三條及第五十三條之一條文修正常案應施處於建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過報告委員會 我們本次會議報告事項記載於議事錄順序授權議事處來進行調整現在繼續處理原列報告事項請宣讀第二案"},{"start":6603.223,"end":6604.404,"text":"热情欢迎来到立法院"},{"start":6627.472,"end":6649.331,"text":"第三案本月委员罗志祥的十八顶礼具中华民国新法第七十七条条文修正草案一事出一件交司法及法治委员会审查宣途完毕第四案本月委员何清泉的二十三顶礼具运动产业发展条例第十三条第二十六条及第二十六条主二条文修正草案一事出一件交交与及文化委员会审查宣途完毕未通过下演"},{"start":6649.671,"end":6678.554,"text":"第五案本院委員劉建國的十六人凝聚唯有財政法第四十二條條文修正草案依釋出一件交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢委員通過下案第六案本院委員劉建國的十七人凝聚唯有財政法第五十二條條文修正草案依釋出一件交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢委員通過下案第七案本院委員劉建國的十八人凝聚人體生物資料或管理條例修正草案依釋出一件交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢委員通過下案"},{"start":6678.894,"end":6698.112,"text":"第八案本院委員徐宇珍等16人已廢止內政部消防署港務消防隊組織通則一事處一件交司法及法律內政兩委員會審查宣傳完畢無意通過下言第九案本院委員徐宇珍等16人已廢止經濟部標準檢驗局組織條例一事處一件交司法及法律經濟兩委員會審查宣傳完畢無意通過下言"},{"start":6699.973,"end":6721.361,"text":"第十一案本院委員徐宇珍等16年已廢止經濟部國際貿易局組織條例一事處一間交司法及法制經濟兩委會審查宣讀完畢無疑通過下一案第十一案本院委員徐宇珍等16年已廢止經濟部標準檢驗局所屬各分局組織通則一事處一間交司法及法制經濟兩委會審查宣讀完畢無疑通過下一案"},{"start":6721.621,"end":6730.654,"text":"第十二案本院委员徐医生等16人已废止经济部中央地质调查所组阵条例一事处一件交司法及法治经济联络委员会审查宣布完毕"},{"start":6731.479,"end":6733.72,"text":"第十三案第十四案第十五案第十五案"},{"start":6761.548,"end":6764.229,"text":"無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案"},{"start":6782.199,"end":6808.257,"text":"第十八案本院委員吳麗華等十八案領據台灣地區WTC人民關係條例增添第九十三條知識條文草案議事處已見交內政委員會審查宣傳完畢第十九案行政院行為中華民國一百十四年一月二十四日制定公佈之運動部組織法運動部選民運動署組織法及同任修正公佈之行政院組織法第三條條文教育部組織法第二條第五條第九條條文"},{"start":6809.258,"end":6836.951,"text":"国家运动科学中心设施条例部分条文国家运动训练中心设施条例定自114年9月9日实行依次处理建交司法治教育及文化联合委员会宣读完毕补义通过 下一案第20案 行政院考试院行为修正涉及国家安全或重大利益公务员人员特殊常委办法第3条及第5条条文依次处理建交司法治教育及文化联合委员会宣读完毕报言会本案由国民党党团提议"},{"start":6838.154,"end":6843.921,"text":"改交審查本案交司法及法治委員會審查下一案"},{"start":6844.707,"end":6870.013,"text":"第21案 內政部海外修正 替代一役男團體外保險作業實施規定部分規定 依次處一間交內政委員會 宣讀完畢無異通過 下議案第22案 內政部含存國土計畫使用許可審議規則 依次處一間交內政委員會 宣讀完畢無異通過 下議案第23案 內政部含存國土保育費及影響費收取辦法 依次處一間交內政委員會 宣讀完畢無異通過 下議案"},{"start":6870.393,"end":6885.751,"text":"第二十四案 內政部橫送一定規模以上或性質套出土地 申請使用許可任意標準 依釋出意見交內政委員會 宣讀完畢第二十五案 內政部橫送國土計畫使用許可申請辦法 依釋出意見交內政委員會 宣讀完畢"},{"start":6887.273,"end":6914.769,"text":"第26案内政部韩总国土计划使用许可合法后应循事项办法依次处理建交内政委员会宣布完毕无疑通过下议案第27案内政部韩维修审全国性民政财团法人诚信经营规范指导原则第6点第18点及第19点规定依次处理建交内政委员会宣布完毕无疑通过下议案第28案内政部韩维修审纪念日及节日实施办法依次处理建交内政委员会宣布完毕无疑通过下议案"},{"start":6915.109,"end":6931.579,"text":"第二十九案 中央選舉委員會喊維修正 選務人員執行職務意外聲文未問及發給辦法第四條及第六條條文 議事處已經交內政委員會 宣讀完畢第三選案 經濟部內全部喊維修正 商業團體分業標準增訂電子支付商業團體業別及業務範圍"},{"start":6933.32,"end":6933.901,"text":"予以通過下一頁予以通過下一頁"},{"start":6959.781,"end":6981.602,"text":"第三宣案经济物海维修正冰温热型开引机容许耗用能源基准与能源效率分级标识事项方法及检查方式第十三点规定第六点复图一即温热型开引机容许耗用能源基准与能源效率分级标识事项方法及检查方式第十三点规定第六点复图一依次处理建交经济委员会"},{"start":6983.363,"end":7009.1,"text":"第三十三案 内政部海维修正公告加拿大三个期万选自高病原性家庭流行性感冒肺炎去删除一事处一间交经济委员会 宣布完毕无意通过下演第三十四案 农业部海维修正动物及其产品进出金门马祖地区检查规则第十一条条文一事处一间交经济委员会 宣布完毕无意通过下演第三十五案 农业部横送麦杆菊为适用植物品种及种苗法之植物种类"},{"start":7009.54,"end":7030.427,"text":"第一次處理監交經濟委員會 宣布完畢第三十六案 農業部還會廢止秋刑軍蟲發生地區實施共同防治措施第一次處理監交經濟委員會 宣布完畢第三十七案 農業部還會修正遠洋漁業條例第十三條第一項第十一款進步漁政名錄第一次處理監交經濟委員會 宣布完畢"},{"start":7031.607,"end":7057.419,"text":"第38案 农业部海维修身公告 加拿大曼尼托巴选自高密原金加情流血型感冒肺疫区删除 意识处一间交经济委员会 宣布完毕第39案 农业部海维克雅西口及山山湿地 野生动物重要气息环境名称修正为克雅西口及山山湿地 野生动物重要气息环境之类别及范围并出生规定 意识处一间交经济委员会 宣布完毕无意通过下演"},{"start":7057.699,"end":7085.638,"text":"第四十一案 農業部還會修正水土保持技術規範部分條文依釋出意見交經濟委員會宣討完畢第四十一案 交通部橫送簽署完成之中華民國台灣政府與土瓦魯國政府官員在一九七八年航海人員訓練發展和當值標準國際公約架構下承認在中華民國台灣籍船舶服務者船員所持訓練與試驗證明文件協定中英文約本一本"},{"start":7086.098,"end":7087.219,"text":"委員會通過下一頁委員會通過下一頁"},{"start":7104.818,"end":7121.149,"text":"第四次三案衛生福利部吳漢維修正全民健康保險醫療服務給付項目及支付標準部分診療項目除第二部新一通則自一百十四年七月一日生效為自一百十四年五月一日生效依次處於建交社會福利及歐商環境委員會宣讀完畢"},{"start":7122.35,"end":7146.194,"text":"第44案 卫生福利部海维修证 需用罕见 疾病防治及药物防治 药物品项 医事处理监教 社会福利及卫生环境委员会 宣布完毕第45案 卫生福利部海维修证 全面健康保险医疗费用申报与核复及医疗服务选查办法第6条 第10条及第34条条文 医事处理监教 社会福利及卫生环境委员会 宣布完毕无疑通过 下一案"},{"start":7146.454,"end":7168.031,"text":"第46案 衛生福利部海外修正 全民健康保險業務 藥品價格調整作業辦法 依釋處理監督 社會福利及物上環境委員會 宣布完畢不予通過 下議案第47案 衛生福利部海外修正 全民健康保險業務及副項目及支付標準部分條文 依釋處理監督 社會福利及物上環境委員會 宣布完畢不予通過 下議案"},{"start":7168.351,"end":7189.421,"text":"第一次處罰案 勞動部海維修正失業中高齡者及高齡者就業促進奔法部分條文議事處議員交由社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳完畢為通過下一案"},{"start":7190.287,"end":7191.007,"text":"我已通過下言"},{"start":7208.524,"end":7230.049,"text":"好 抱怨會我們46案是7案更正有國民黨黨團體改交審查第46案我們交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查第47案也交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查抱怨會第50案至133案請依序宣讀其中"},{"start":7230.789,"end":7247.146,"text":"第五十至五十六五十八至六十二六十五六十六六十八至七十八八十至九十七一百二十九案台湾民众党党团体改交审查第六十九案"},{"start":7247.967,"end":7260.363,"text":"七十一案國民黨黨團提議改交審查宣讀之後以上的提案均改交相關委員會來審查其餘的議案均照議事處意見通過請問院會有異議"},{"start":7263.973,"end":7290.265,"text":"沒有異議我們就宣讀宣讀之後通過請宣讀第五十案行政院第五一案及第五二案內宣部第五三案大陸委員會第五四案之第五六案客家委員會第五七案中央選舉委員會第五八案不當當場處理委員會第五十九案海洋委員會第六十案原住民組委員會第六一案及第六二案國軍退出官兵輔導委員會第六三案之第六五案國防部第六六案強武委員會"},{"start":7290.945,"end":7309.811,"text":"第67案之第69案经济部第70案公益交易委员会第71案农业部第72案国家发展委员会第73案行政院主席总处第74案中央银行第75案中央金融监督管理委员会第76案财讯部第77案及第78案文化部第79案核能安全委员会"},{"start":7310.251,"end":7334.725,"text":"第八十案 國立故宮博物院第八一案 國家科學及技術委員會第八二案 教育部第八三案 質疑辦委員 數位發展部第八六案 國家通訊傳播委員會第八七案 交通部第八八案 行政院公共工程委員會第八九案 總統府第九十案 考試院秘書長第九一案 監察院秘書長第九二案 司法院第九三案 法務部第九四案 環境部第九五案 衛生福利部"},{"start":7335.725,"end":7359.932,"text":"96案 勞動部第97案 國家發展委員會第98案 之第108案 經濟部第109案 之第113案 交通部第114案 及第115案 國家通訊傳播委員會第116案 之第118案 勞動部第119案 之第133案 衛生福利部刊文一個年度相關預算113年度中央政府準算附屬單位預算等預算決議分別簡訊相關報告宣討完畢"},{"start":7360.572,"end":7367.077,"text":"抱怨會第134案以下請一臂宣讀宣讀之後我們均准予被查請宣讀"},{"start":7367.918,"end":7394.39,"text":"第1、3、4人案自第1、3、6案為本院內政外交及國防密外交及國防委員會函為院會交付中央選舉委員會114年度中央政府總決算局一等案應經審查文據第1、3、7案為本院交通委員會函為院會交付審查相關行政命令已於立法院職權行使法第60條鎖定審查期限第1、3辦案為行政院函送本院土委員權及等所提臨時提案之嚴處信心"},{"start":7395.01,"end":7399.232,"text":"報告事項已處理完畢我們因為後續討論事項進行有待溝通請所有黨團幹部10點45分進後方主席休息室我們進行溝通"},{"start":10388.517,"end":10398.065,"text":"報告院會現在我們二樓旁聽席來自台南成功大學的同學們我們掌聲歡迎好對將來棟樑之才好報告院會我們現在繼續開會現有黨團共事一"},{"start":10405.424,"end":10432.363,"text":"今日星期五院會抽出動議之處理各黨團均無異議我們均照案通過二 本日院會處理之討論事項第一案完畢之後即休息三 討論事項第一案定於本日下午兩點半於紅樓302會議室協商定於本日今天下午五點我們進行條文之表決處理"},{"start":10433.988,"end":10451.968,"text":"四 下週二 院會僅處理至討論事項第二案及第三案不需協商議案處理完畢之後 即行散會本次院會討論事項就依黨團共事進行報應會 我們在進行討論事項之前"},{"start":10455.566,"end":10469.789,"text":"先處理自委員會抽出禁負二讀之提議並截止收案現在我們處理民進黨黨團提議共一案請議事人員宣讀提議內容法院會本案依照黨團共事我們照案通過"},{"start":10487.23,"end":10516.493,"text":"現在進行處理國民黨團所提供兩案先進行第一案請議事人員宣讀題內容本院國民黨黨團針對本地十八次會議盡情將委員徐玉珍的學習環境理據地方制度法第五十五條及第五十六條條文修正草案案自內政司法及法治委員會抽出淨附二讀與相關題案並且聲是否有當進行公決宣讀案例抱怨會本案依黨團共識照案通過"},{"start":10518.752,"end":10524.12,"text":"現在進行處理國民黨團所提議第二案請議事人員宣讀提議內容"},{"start":10524.738,"end":10524.918,"text":"宣讀完畢"},{"start":10554.448,"end":10581.281,"text":"抱怨會本案依照黨團共事我們照案通過抱怨會今天上午的會議進行到此為止請各黨團幹部於下午2點30分至紅樓302會議室進行討論事項第一案之協商以及協商至下午5點我們進行討論事項第一案條文之處理現在休息"},{"start":11015.002,"end":11015.084,"text":"谢谢大家"},{"start":11363.274,"end":11364.206,"text":"MING PAO CANADA MANGA"},{"start":15899.111,"end":15899.974,"text":"MING PAO CANADA MANGA"},{"start":20265.994,"end":20266.5,"text":"由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕"},{"start":26082.489,"end":26098.779,"text":"報名會 我們現在繼續開會依照商務黨團共事本日願會處理至討論事項第一案完畢之後即興休息另外討論事項第一案定於本日下午五點進行條文之表決處理我們現在進行討論事項第一案"},{"start":26099.719,"end":26122.89,"text":"法院組織法部分條文修正草案本院臺灣民眾黨團提案經第三會期第十一次會議決定自委員會抽出禁服二讀並由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商報告委員會本案因協商已經超過一個月沒有辦法達成共識我們依照立法院職權新釋法第七十一條之一的規定"},{"start":26124.451,"end":26142.74,"text":"由院會定期處理因此於本次會議我們提出討論現在進行廣泛討論依照登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先我們請莊瑞雄委員發言沈伯陽委員請準備"},{"start":26155.604,"end":26163.882,"text":"謝謝主席 各位在場的媒體朋友我們立法院的同仁今天我看大家手上所拿到的再修正動議"},{"start":26165.66,"end":26187.926,"text":"我相信本院所有的委員在今天中午之前沒有人看過也就是說這整個關係到整個法治的一個重大的一個變革沒有在我們的委員會裡面曾經有任何一個立法委員去好好的做討論"},{"start":26189.517,"end":26216.93,"text":"這很可惜了我們一直在強調的委員會中心主義在台灣民眾黨今天所提出來將對一個司法變革重大的一個議案裡面呢他卻完全去違背了按照中華民國憲法第八十條的規定法官啊他是要依照法律獨立審判不受任何的一個干擾那如果今天"},{"start":26218.308,"end":26247.025,"text":"我們這樣的一個條文通過了以後我很擔心變成一個人民的一個公審在我國的法治裡面不管是民事訴訟法或者在刑事訴訟法如果是違背了公開審理那一定是構成判決違背法令都可以上訴到最高法院可是我們今天特別要去提出來的就是說讓陽光照進法院那是好事"},{"start":26248.001,"end":26260.167,"text":"可是呢如果說造成變成人民的一個公審的話本席到期期以為不可尤其是我們現行的法治裡面我們只要在事項當中"},{"start":26261.823,"end":26282.081,"text":"我們把證人傳到法庭上來審判長或者說訴訟代理人在結論證人的時候他只要證人認為說特定人旁聽只要有人特定人旁聽他就認為我沒有辦法完全做陳述那這個時候法官本來在另旁聽的人全部都退庭"},{"start":26282.862,"end":26303.527,"text":"也就是說要真實的發現這個時候法官他就發揮關鍵的一個力量那這部修法的一個目的本來就是說因為你法院沒有公開審理陽光沒有照進去沒有辦法讓社會有所信任但是呢我們卻又把說社會重大案件或者矚目的一個案件"},{"start":26304.187,"end":26318.32,"text":"可不可以來公佈我們又把它交給法官你不信任法官那你又把最後的一個權責又交給法官這個實在是沒有在立法院裡面好好的一個討論"},{"start":26319.864,"end":26339.496,"text":"我相信這個疑慮沒有辦法來解除最高法院是一個法律審法律審要來公佈各個政黨大家來好好討論但是涉及到事實審常常在審酌的是這犯罪的一個事實無罪推定大家也不要忘記了如果說現在你把法律給通過了好了 現在換期數滿多了到法庭上是不是寫同一個標籤讓社會來公審"},{"start":26360.623,"end":26364.445,"text":"謝謝莊瑞選委員的發言接下來我們請沈伯陽委員發言吳思堯委員請準備"},{"start":26372.745,"end":26388.436,"text":"好 謝謝主席那因為這個是一個非常複雜的議題所以我就直接順著剛剛莊銳雄委員的繼續往下講因為這個畢竟是一個複雜的議題那竟然就是用這樣的一個擼過去的方式協商過水的方式來討論我覺得是岐岐不可啦"},{"start":26389.176,"end":26403.09,"text":"那剛剛有提到就是說呢我剛剛其實都有聽整個協商那協商的時候呢有說這是一個可以增加司法公信力的一個方式其實我認為正正相反因為現在民眾黨所提出的這個案子呢它的最主要是限制在這個言辭辯論這方面的公開"},{"start":26404.671,"end":26426.427,"text":"那言辭辯論這方面的公開呢其實他在引述這些證人或者鑒定人的一個說法的時候其實就有可能是斟酌在什麼法律上的針點什麼證據法則等等之類的當民眾在看這一些可能經過其他人剪輯過的或者單純這一方面的直播卻沒有看到前面的陳述的時候他會認為法院怎麼會做出這個判斷這跟我想的不太一樣啊"},{"start":26427.588,"end":26446.447,"text":"當這個感覺出現的時候它未必是增加司法的公信力所以到底開放的範圍應該是怎麼做這其實有很研討的必要那當然民眾黨一直在講說在這個司法國事會議的時候有講到法庭直播那可能是在文字上或理解上有點錯誤明明司法國事會議講的是說要研議"},{"start":26447.848,"end":26460.548,"text":"研議之後有沒有研議 有啊研議了一年之後發現認為憲法法庭是目前最適合直播的所以做了憲法法庭的直播這就是現在的結論那為什麼這一個結論不被接受那應該就對這個結論來討論嘛"},{"start":26462.791,"end":26489.398,"text":"今天為什麼在法庭直播會有民粹的風險為什麼會有檢擊的風險會有證人跟鑑定人不能夠或不敢出來作證的這個風險為什麼會有兒少還有這些婦女團體所提出的風險理由很簡單因為它是一個專業判斷法官今天面對的其實是兩個人三個人之間的一個正義之爭當專業的判斷淪為直播淪為每一個公審的對象的時候這並不是一個妥當的現象"},{"start":26489.938,"end":26504.658,"text":"不然我來講假設我今天我很重視我的生命安全我要動手術請問我要不要要求我的手術來做全國的直播如果我今天在坐飛機我很重視飛航的安全我要不要要求以後呢開飛機的都要全程直播"},{"start":26505.419,"end":26527.468,"text":"聽起來好像還有道理啊 公開透明啊但問題是 這就是一種侵犯專業的態度那以後大家會不會開始變成我不要犯錯 我只要按照SOP稍微有點風險的行為我不做 為什麼因為全程在直播那這樣的話呢 就是把這個專業棄於不顧反而是用一種人民直接用眼睛觀看的這種威嚇上的力量然後去影響這整體的進行"},{"start":26529.309,"end":26555.338,"text":"這跟立法院不一樣立法院的是政治責任立法院要讓人民看到到底有沒有去代表選區的這個人民說話立法院要有多元的討論立法院必須要有政治的責任所以立法院有這一個直播但法庭要處理的是個案的正義它處理的是當事人之間的關係用這樣的一個方式冒然的直播其實就是對當事人的不尊重也是一種非常嚴重的正義的侵害謝謝"},{"start":26557.117,"end":26560.69,"text":"謝謝沈博洋委員的發言接下來請吳思耀委員發言林國成委員請準備"},{"start":26570.958,"end":26589.383,"text":"謝謝主席我想問一個會率眾來衝北檢包圍北院動員民粹鬥臭司法現在要變本加厲提出法庭直播這個政黨的主張鼓吹媒體的公審有什麼正當性"},{"start":26590.143,"end":26606.04,"text":"我更要問 立法委員非法取得偵訊的光碟 變造英黨上質詢台來惡整官員操弄司法這種立法委員所主張的司法正義 誰能相信法庭直播等於司法透明嗎 錯 錯 錯 大錯特錯"},{"start":26610.544,"end":26637.397,"text":"直播不等於真相公審絕對不是正義不是每一個人都像黃國昌喜歡活在直播間以為直播可以解決所有的問題民進黨三個反對反對一人綁架權力院急救張氏的法庭直播民進黨反對全黨就一人為柯文哲量身定做的法庭直播"},{"start":26638.337,"end":26667.757,"text":"民進黨反對藍白和政治交易式的法庭直播為什麼我說這是一人綁架權力院急救張氏的修法呢剛剛很多委員提到了司改國是會議只是要求嚴議而不是決議但是經過八年的討論就是因為爭議過大沒有共識所以在台灣法庭直播沒有上路但是黃國昌立委用一個人的意志"},{"start":26668.597,"end":26697.11,"text":"提出禁覆二讀的法案協商只是過水要倉促的訴諸民粹來修法這難道不是急救章不是一人綁架權力院嗎而這更是全黨就義人為了柯文哲案拿司法改革來遂行妨礙司法的政治目的進行個案的全民公審司馬昭之心路人皆知"},{"start":26698.03,"end":26718.913,"text":"而這更是一個赤裸裸的政治交易的修法我手上拿到一個吹哨者今天的爆料國民黨團在今天12點多發布訊息給國民黨的立委說今天下午法院組織法有關法庭直播的修法此案關係重大"},{"start":26719.534,"end":26739.545,"text":"不但攸關藍白和持續合作更與大罷免息息相關懇請國民黨的委員共體時間進場來待命表決這不是赤裸裸的政治交易嗎拿司法改革來做就大罷免的政治交換"},{"start":26741.026,"end":26751.497,"text":"這樣子的修法有什麼正當性民進黨再次說直播不能解決所有的問題請立法院三思再三思"},{"start":26770.455,"end":26798.371,"text":"院長各位我們全國的人民大家好台灣民眾黨提出法庭直播的修法只有讓法庭打開門戶來審查做到的是公開審判透明審判讓大家看得到讓大家聽得到"},{"start":26799.618,"end":26817.285,"text":"讓司法的陽光進入法庭所以當然在立法院所討論的任何一個法案沒有什麼案盤之只有大家共同來商討"},{"start":26818.533,"end":26846.216,"text":"但是 法庭直播真的有那麼恐怖嗎法庭直播不是個案通通可以直播只是針對兩個議題社會高度關制的案子以及牽涉到公共利益有影響的案子在有條件 有配套"},{"start":26847.803,"end":26871.332,"text":"經由申請由法庭法官來做裁定這叫做什麼這叫做有規律有方法的法庭直播不是今天你說要直播就直播其實這些東西只有兩個重點那為什麼要把它複雜化"},{"start":26873.123,"end":26889.078,"text":"所以我認為這次台灣民眾黨提出來的修法它是回應失法的共識補足現行法源不足所以我們提出這些修法"},{"start":26889.841,"end":26913.544,"text":"另外一個也就是大家餘力的區分事實審查跟法律審查這裡面都規定得很清楚事實審跟法律審這都分得很清楚寫得很清楚那我不知道為什麼大家還要去誤解這個法有什麼陰謀"},{"start":26914.905,"end":26943.2,"text":"這個法通過柯文哲用不到這個法通過也不是只有民眾黨在用是台灣人民在用所以這個設計的防止機制都已經寫得這麼清楚了那我不曉得為什麼我們的其他同仁一直還要把它扭曲事實司法改革要從"},{"start":26944.461,"end":26953.567,"text":"直播開始做起雖然不是萬能單但是最起碼的話讓陽光照進司法這是很重要的"},{"start":26970.314,"end":26990.441,"text":"主席 各位同事司法是國家民主最後的一道防線但是台灣人民對司法的信任度相當低根據民調近六成的民眾對於賴政府的司法改革是不滿意的有七成的民眾支持法庭直播其中民進黨的支持者是60.8 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你也進不了直播我們希望陽光照進法案讓台灣人民可以看到法官是怎麼審理的檢察官是怎麼主張的律師是怎麼辯護的"},{"start":27121.329,"end":27149.416,"text":"全國人民都可以來檢驗啊司法是民主國家最後一道防線不該關起門來審判人民有權利知道真相民進黨你怕什麼你說要司法改革你怕什麼你怕我們看到法院裡面的問題嗎你怕法官審理有瑕疵嗎你怕檢察官的證據站不住腳嗎你怕什麼呢如果沒有證據干預如果沒有不當的干預你們在怕什麼呢"},{"start":27150.556,"end":27153.257,"text":"司法的進步要經得起考驗絕對不是關起門來好 謝謝"},{"start":27179.684,"end":27201.828,"text":"好謝謝謝謝謝謝陳昭之委員的發言拜託各位委員能夠尊重發言委員權益接下來請劉書斌委員發言張啟凱委員請準備"},{"start":27217.369,"end":27246.368,"text":"主席 各位同仁長期以來大家關心的法庭直播昨天在政黨協商當中終於有了進展藍綠白三黨針對法院組織法的修正草案進行政黨協商在62分鐘的對五條條文的協商當中司法院副院長王梅英和民進黨的代表充分表示意見五條條文當中達成了三點的協議"},{"start":27247.569,"end":27274.005,"text":"但是在90條跟115條的關鍵條文當中因為司法院跟民進黨的態度消極被迫保留有些人擔心法庭直播會侵害隱私事實上我們在法案章中已經將範圍限縮到了重大的公眾事件並排除了家事案件涉及隱私的案件至於直播畫面的設定如何保證證人"},{"start":27275.126,"end":27304.125,"text":"及都有潛力可行例如在南非的Pretoria的高等法院就具體的指示直播是怎麼樣進行的它的設備要怎麼去擺放鏡頭不能對特定的特寫特定的人當中來進行速勝程序的成因倒是可以全程的播送就像許玉秀大法官所說的法庭直播不是馬戲表演也不是洪水猛獸"},{"start":27305.706,"end":27332.612,"text":"有些人一直以一些娛樂性的直播嘲弄法庭直播是故意看不到法庭直播它的專重性還有嚴肅性法庭直播的背後正是社會輿論的期待可以大大的提升司法公正性並消除司法的不透明而造成的負面影響更是重要的社會法治教訓"},{"start":27333.732,"end":27361.577,"text":"教育在520那慶德總統就職的時候最不滿意度的部分就是司法改革我們不是要求全部的公開而是在尊重國安隱私商業機密的前提之下讓人民可以看見審判的過程這不是獵巫而是民主的基本要求是對民主法治最基本的信任"},{"start":27362.657,"end":27384.217,"text":"法庭直播是台灣司法改革的重要一步我們不會停下腳步來也不會說繼續研議這個當作藉口拖延的藉口要讓陽光照進到法庭來也讓台灣跟世界進一步的接軌這一步我們一定要走下去"},{"start":27385.117,"end":27392.621,"text":"請大家支持在今天的時候讓法庭直播的條文能夠通過 三讀通過謝謝大家"},{"start":27414.226,"end":27430.747,"text":"民進黨為什麼這麼怕陽光照進法庭民進黨到底要掩飾什麼呢剛在朝野協商的時候發現民進黨對法庭直播誤會大了"},{"start":27431.738,"end":27453.145,"text":"之前吳思瑤吳委員已經誤會了說只有共產國家才有法庭直播被糾正之後剛剛的朝野協商柯建明柯總召竟然又講全世界只有共產國家才有法庭直播事實上加拿大紐西蘭英國"},{"start":27460.188,"end":27489.389,"text":"甚至印度印尼連非洲的南非都有全世界七大州除了南極州之外六大州都有法庭直播民進黨現在連總召柯建民到今天都還搞不清楚人家已經是多麼進步陽光早就射進法院了結果民進黨到現在還在掩蓋民進黨到底要掩蓋多少的弊案啊"},{"start":27492.042,"end":27510.912,"text":"我們要特別強調台灣民眾黨特別做了大型的民調在20號到22號高達71.1%的台灣民眾是支持法庭直播的裡面包括不偏任何黨派的72.3民進黨啊"},{"start":27514.116,"end":27541.379,"text":"雖然他們利宴黨團 民進黨政府到現在反對可是民進黨的民眾高達60.8%是贊成的民進黨的立法委員你們要對不起你們的選民嗎請看看民調 60.8%的民進黨支持者要求要法庭直播因為法庭直播是司法改革的一部分也是符合全民期待的剛剛"},{"start":27543.663,"end":27563.066,"text":"民進黨立委還在強調這會變成什麼全民公審我念一段大法官許玉秀在2017年司法改革會議在第四組結論的時候的話他說法庭直播這件事"},{"start":27564.158,"end":27588.016,"text":"不是草率決定的像他們的第四組大家早就討論過好幾輪早就討論過好幾輪各種反對聲音那時候也被提出來有人說什麼擔心證人不敢作證怕曝光影片影響隱私還有什麼直播經費這些問題都有委員回應說用技術問題多次可以解決的"},{"start":27588.416,"end":27615.658,"text":"可以打馬賽克、深夜變造甚至限制某些涉及公益事件的某些事情都是可以做一些技術性的最重要他說什麼好"},{"start":27618.895,"end":27632.639,"text":"主席 各位同仁 我剛剛在台下認真聽 聽了好難過"},{"start":27648.598,"end":27677.902,"text":"民國80年11月1號本席就任地方法院的法官被他們講成說現在法庭才要陽光才要照進去我們的訴訟板去給他看我們是公開神旅主義耶任何人只要不是特別的案件都可以走進法庭去旁聽那當然如果說法庭不夠大旁聽的人太多太擠的時候用其他的方式來處理我們開庭的過程中全部都是要錄音的"},{"start":27678.963,"end":27698.318,"text":"這些錄音檔從頭到尾將來你都可以申請拿出來播放如果你是當事人有權益問題的話所以我們幾十年來都是在進行一個公開審理主義結果民眾黨的委員到今天來講說我們要讓陽光照進這個法庭"},{"start":27699.707,"end":27715.506,"text":"以前好像都是黑雲密布以前都是黑箱是這樣嗎你對訴訟的審理了解多少再說 司改國是會議他得出的是法庭直播的原意"},{"start":27717.257,"end":27744.907,"text":"經過研議之後也有成果 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各位同仁很遺憾的這個禮拜要處理的法院組織法這個是由黃國昌提出淨富二讀沒有經過委員會的審議直接想要強行關山想要在沒有委員會處理的情況之下就要給他通過"},{"start":27886.277,"end":27908.384,"text":"要不是莊瑞雄委員在司法委員會還特地排了法院組織法的公聽會事實上這案在委員會根本沒有被討論的機會這就是在講黃國昌一路講的委員會中心主義嗎?亂講委員會的中心主義被你們糟蹋至此"},{"start":27909.52,"end":27931.596,"text":"那在公聽會的時候現場很多的意見包括我也有去公聽會發言那我說台灣現在沒有法庭直播嗎你們也是亂講你們也剛去參加了憲法法庭憲法法庭的法庭直播很多人都有在看那就是現在經過司改會後"},{"start":27932.636,"end":27949.97,"text":"現在憲法法庭有了法庭直播是針對法律上的論戰它不涉及到個案不涉及到當事人所以這部分適合法庭直播那司法院就採納來做法庭直播所以台灣現在就是有法庭直播啊"},{"start":27950.851,"end":27975.242,"text":"那為什麼黃國昌民眾黨你們還要強推這樣的法案你們就要把你們想像你們的法庭直播要升到了地方法院升到了高等法院甚至最高法院在審理的過程你們就想你們把你們的手伸到法院去你們說是陽光照到法院那現在法院沒有公開審理嗎"},{"start":27977.171,"end":27992.719,"text":"現在就是對於法院的偵查的錄音帶在法院都可以播送你只要去旁聽你認第三人你也可以聽到偵查錄音帶的內容所以民眾黨去旁聽你們有聽到內容啊"},{"start":27993.809,"end":28015.661,"text":"所以我一直在想很奇怪台灣現在就有法庭直播適合法庭直播不涉及到個案不影響事實審的有法庭直播那已經有事實審的這會影響到作證的一個他在自由表達的一個狀態或者是他在當鑑定人的時候他會不會受到外界的壓力"},{"start":28016.921,"end":28045.411,"text":"這個都是會遇到的尤其很多醫療事件的鑑定人他的壓力是很大的所以他不希望被公開播送我就覺得奇怪為什麼民眾黨要強推後來我才看到你們今天的版本你們的版本耶第九十條的第八項你們寫經過法庭公開播送的錄音錄影不受九十條之事的限制九十條之事以上持有法庭錄音錄影的人所取得的"},{"start":28071.185,"end":28071.205,"text":"好謝謝"},{"start":28091.765,"end":28101.608,"text":"主席在場委員先進大家看看周遭有看到國民黨的委員或國民黨要上台發言的委員嗎沒有"},{"start":28102.881,"end":28126.09,"text":"有看到民眾黨的委員 四十個委員有這個案子提案的黃國昌委員主張罪立黃國昌委員嗎 沒有他不在這個四十個人的登記發明那當中人家說 有一好沒兩好 與雄長難以兼得但是人的文明在制度上我們力求取其利 避其弊說到司法審判 司法公正"},{"start":28127.25,"end":28149.379,"text":"全國人民都希望得到因此在我們憲法設計當中我們要求獨立審判不受外力干預表達在哪裡表達在法官是終身職不受政治力影響表達在哪裡表達在集會遊行法當中法院外面有禁制區避免群眾暴力來干預"},{"start":28150.539,"end":28162.676,"text":"這是我們要求要審判獨立的但是另一方面我們也擔心法官獨裁所以要公開審理要開放堂廳要能夠有外部監督"},{"start":28163.419,"end":28186.162,"text":"所以在這兩個之間我們去取捨,直播有罪嗎?直播只是個工具,放在哪裡對,放在哪裡就錯。我們來看一下,主張要直播的人認為直播就是公開旁聽的一個延伸,不受旁聽空間的限制,任何地方都可以旁聽,聽起來十分美好。"},{"start":28187.023,"end":28194.534,"text":"但是我們要來問一下當科技有辦法錄影的時候法庭有開放錄影嗎有開放錄音嗎有開放攝影嗎"},{"start":28199.921,"end":28218.649,"text":"有但是限定於法庭為了確保審理的公正客觀所做的一種純正式的要求美國的法院到現在一樣不可以在法庭裡面拍照他只能用手繪好所以在這時候我們要問的是那直播要追求的是什麼"},{"start":28219.469,"end":28241.943,"text":"只是要追求的是真實但是這個真實已經被提案的黃光遠扼殺掉了他親身做了一個示範他在應該以事實為基礎的國會質詢當中播出了一個模擬帶到現在他也不願意去說明哪些是真哪些是假因此在這個時候有人說國會已經沒有真實了"},{"start":28243.26,"end":28266.898,"text":"直播的結果就是在黃國昌的作用之下已經不能代表真實就算你看到直播你也不曉得那是真實更何況我們現在法院的錄影錄音都是作為未來證據勘驗當中一個很重要的客觀標準當有了直播任何人取得這個素材他任意剪接法院沒有人可以保證什麼是真實"},{"start":28268.62,"end":28281.308,"text":"扼殺司法獨立公正這莫此為善請黃伯昌出來面對好 謝謝鍾嘉賓委員的發言接下來我們請審發會委員發言陳廷芬委員請準備"},{"start":28301.53,"end":28316.723,"text":"各位同仁,眼前我們大家討論的是台灣民眾黨提案由中國國民黨、台灣民眾黨聯手近乎二讀的這個法院組織法的修正案這個修正案提中條文包括第86條、90條、91條、93條、105條五個條文修法的核心就是法庭直播,剛剛大家都講了很多"},{"start":28323.8,"end":28346.778,"text":"但是事實上現行的這個法院組織法86條早就已經明定我們現在的訴訟它的辯論它的這個裁判的宣示應該公開法庭行司也就是說公開審判已經是我們現在現有法令的原則不是說不直播就不是公開審判不是說公開審判就一定要法庭直播"},{"start":28348.268,"end":28350.129,"text":"不是說一定要開放黃國昌進去咆哮要開放館長進去幹架這才叫做公開審判"},{"start":28359.073,"end":28385.745,"text":"這些司法界人士這幾天連日來大家看到非常多的團體包括中華民國法官協會中華民國女法官協會台北律師公會台灣法學會民間司改會台灣刑事法學會包括全國律師聯合會包括見親檢改會包括中華民國檢察官協會包括台灣司法精神醫學會包括台灣法醫學會包括中華民國法醫醫師公會包括婦女性質基金會包括台灣"},{"start":28387.306,"end":28403.149,"text":"台灣辦理權益推動聯盟等等這麼多的團體大家都提出了質疑大家都對這樣的修法有疑慮你們現在要說這些團體通通都是綠色的側翼嗎你們要罵這些團體都是綠區嗎大家為什麼有疑慮非常簡單因為在現在的狀況之下開放法庭直播它是有一些風險"},{"start":28416.289,"end":28434.983,"text":"這些風險包括輿論公審包括網路霸凌包括造成案件的證人鑑定人他出庭的壓力甚至不願意出庭他甚至不利於事實的調查影響公開的審判侵害訴訟當事人的訴訟權甚至對無罪推定原則也都有侵害"},{"start":28437.103,"end":28464.551,"text":"這樣子司法界這麼多疑慮引起司法界的疑慮的這樣的法案你們要說清楚黃國昌站出來說清楚張其凱站出來說清楚為什麼要禁復二讀這個講清楚就好了至於內容我們如果不是禁復二讀我們來司法法治委員會好好辯論講清楚啊民眾黨為什麼要禁復二讀為什麼司法界這麼多反對的意見你們要禁復二讀為什麼"},{"start":28469.608,"end":28482.238,"text":"為什麼要進一步惡賭這一屆的國會就是這種惡例為什麼現在大家想改變國會的結構就是因為所有的案子你們都這麼幹請司法界的人士看清楚"},{"start":28503.539,"end":28531.5,"text":"謝謝院長我們在立法院這麼久了我算是第五屆了我第一次修法參與了一個完全沒討論而且有那麼多人反對從專家學者到所有的團體而且這些團體還包含了兒少婦女私改團體他們都站出來反對"},{"start":28532.791,"end":28558.41,"text":"甚至公聽會也是幾乎一面倒不是反對就是保留立場結果我們今天居然要在立法院裡面來表決這樣極具爭議的案子完全沒有討論甚至是一面倒的反對與保留立場"},{"start":28559.793,"end":28581.778,"text":"我要說的曾幾何時我們的立法院已經變成是這樣的一言堂嗎而且我們所看到的法庭直播它的問題是非常多而且非常的複雜我們知道"},{"start":28583.97,"end":28612.948,"text":"現在就已經有很多的證人還有鑑定人根本不敢上法庭如果未來直播之後請問這些人是不是要背負更多的輿論壓力而不敢說實話甚至不敢擔任證人或鑑定人請問那事實的真相如何查清楚還有"},{"start":28614.127,"end":28633.133,"text":"我們現在看到民眾黨所提的修正動議說可以變身可以變相來去世化去識別化那請問難道這樣就不能辨別出身份了嗎為什麼要這麼的草率"},{"start":28634.246,"end":28656.38,"text":"我們大家可以好好的討論不是不能討論而是針對所有的問題來討論我們現在看到的如果在案件審查之前我們必須討一番說我們是不是要裁定要公開做播送"},{"start":28658.072,"end":28686.938,"text":"那是不是要經由這樣的來來去去的過程又延遲了整個訴訟程序而讓整個訴訟程序的延待而造成審判更沒有效率這都是我們所擔心而且我們要去討論的為什麼到今天我們根本都還沒有就事實去討論我們就要表決了到底是誰在搞鬼到底是誰在堅持我們"},{"start":28701.253,"end":28707.089,"text":"謝謝陳廷飛委員的發言接下來我們請黃婕委員發言黃珊珊委員請準備"},{"start":28722.383,"end":28741.36,"text":"好 主席各位同仁大家午安在今天中午之前我不知道大家手上有沒有看過目前我們準備要通過的這個版本我相信都沒有看過因為大家手上目前拿到的在修正動議直到今天中午才出現"},{"start":28742.651,"end":28759.603,"text":"所以又來了 黃國昌跟傅坤祺又來了再次透過突襲式的立法 用這種粗暴的方式委員會完全沒有討論過就要進負二讀甚至到今天中午才拿出這個最高機密的版本這是你們要的委員會中心主義嗎"},{"start":28764.782,"end":28788.154,"text":"這麼爭議的法案難道不需要在委員會好好討論嗎要不是莊瑞雄委員排了一個公聽會在此之前這個法案是完全沒有被討論過的更不用說現在有高達30個團體反對目前的這個提案甚至包括法官協會包括法學會包括律師聯合會檢察官協會全部都反對"},{"start":28790.25,"end":28807.316,"text":"審檢辯學四大類的法界的團體全部都反對現在黃國昌卻要強行通過甚至他人都沒有來到這裡甚至他人都沒有準備上來發言這樣子正義法案是可以這樣隨便粗暴通過的嗎"},{"start":28809.892,"end":28832.299,"text":"目前這個到了今天中午黃國昌提出的這個修正版其實是換湯不換藥也沒有解決目前外界最核心的疑慮因為他們說今天中午的版本新增了這個變身變相的保護條款但請問這個有用嗎有用嗎證人光是想到他要上全國的直播被像黃國昌被像館長這樣的人來公審他們還敢出庭嗎 請問"},{"start":28837.366,"end":28864.511,"text":"而且從這個作證的內容大概就可以猜到是哪一位證人庭外他們可能遭到肉搜被騷擾甚至家人的安危這些都是必須要保護的請問這個法案有保護到他們嗎完全沒有那他們還變成說沒有啊我們只針對社會重大矚目的案件而已不就是這些重大的案件最容易淪為這些流量的秀場嗎"},{"start":28866.716,"end":28887.906,"text":"所以今天這個影片如果被播出去明天可能會遇到什麼事情除了證人被騷擾最有可能就是被他們剪成各種的假訊息剪成各種的抖音到處去攻擊特定的人把他做成梗圖然後在網路上進行公審那到時候如果發生這樣的事情誰來管誰來罰"},{"start":28891.311,"end":28906.837,"text":"所以我必須要說 全世界最喜歡法庭直播的是哪一個國家就是中國 他們最喜歡用這種方式來進行公開的羞辱和政治的審判過去在中國被消失五年的李明...記者 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刑事裁定對於我們打詐條例裡面的統一見解認為說"},{"start":29076.663,"end":29096.915,"text":"車手拿的犯罪所得只是他所得的那幾千塊錢這個也要我們立法院來善後也就是說為什麼法庭法律省一定要公開因為這些攸關人民權利義務的相關的裁定非常的劇烈我們也希望現在引進國民法官的我們現在的制度"},{"start":29098.076,"end":29117.89,"text":"國民要怎麼當法官 國民要有一定的法律素養才能夠當法官所以社會矚目 重大矚目或重大公益事件這些的公開相關的程序 讓民眾更能夠進一步了解司法的程序在他們被選為國民法官之後 他才有辦法當一個更適人的國民法官"},{"start":29118.59,"end":29136.421,"text":"而事實審的部分我們認為原則上是不公開例外才公開所有例外的條件我們都已經在法條上面解釋得很清楚不會侵害到現有或者是比較影響小的所以不用擔心每個案子都會被公開重要的是這需要當事人的申請還有法官的裁定謝謝黃珊珊委員的發言接下來我們請王逸川委員法院林楚英委員請準備"},{"start":29152.677,"end":29168.767,"text":"好 謝謝主席啊 今天這個案子 國民黨會全部亂講連一天都沒來登記 你現在用罷免的期間法官也說這條不能過 律師也說不能過 檢察官也說不能過這整群人都說不能過 這樣再亂哄哄你還支持去用罷免是剛好而已啦"},{"start":29176.08,"end":29194.91,"text":"今天為什麼這個國衆啊 民眾黨這麼堅持要處理這條很簡單 白話文就是交違犯事件啊 要處罪化這個徵信光碟 重置公開播放 處罪化領綱 法庭啊 地方的錄影 重置 示範帶 處罪化"},{"start":29196.761,"end":29209.046,"text":"這是他們的目的啦,都奇怪,這個公開直播後,有人拿去架,如果要架台,都可以架啊,沒辦法,因為喔,超話叫長啊,架真的大是專長。"},{"start":29211.215,"end":29228.879,"text":"之後整個公省 省下一半 熱熱火火也要注意看直播說我這家庭如果碰下去 出事了啊 整群去公省的檢察官直播的時候 抄襪給我抄襪 整群去公省的檢察官說這樣檢察官耍那個亂狗 可能還要怎樣怎樣怎樣這就是抄襪抄襪的專長啦 我自己記一下就好假設有一個企長叫阿伯"},{"start":29238.191,"end":29251.377,"text":"有一個生理人去送錢給這個阿伯 阿伯剛才正在騎腳踏車騎 騎 騎 要送的錢 這個阿伯說 我沒有在收錢這個送的錢 這個人說 沒關係啦 你收啦這個阿伯喔 就沒說話了 他就沒說話結果 這麼吵吵鬧鬧的 怎麼搞的"},{"start":29262.194,"end":29266.237,"text":"這草莓湯還會說,那個人要送錢的時候,那個阿伯說,我沒有在想這個事情,剛剛這麼說後面,那個阿伯沒說的對不對,阿伯還說,嗯嗯嗯嗯,空的空的空的"},{"start":29277.642,"end":29292.107,"text":"欸!這段是真實的喔!這段是真實的結果,抄襲到廠家的後面,一萬六百下去說你看!阿伯就沒收錢啦!你說不是啊!阿伯那天阿伯說錢放的放,我站在旁邊沒人放的放的啊"},{"start":29294.352,"end":29297.917,"text":"這段都沒出現 你還要跟大家說 沒抄襲到倉庫斷章取義 用這樣不通喔 不會啊因為抄襲到倉庫還有很多假帳號 一直給你圍剿 一直給你用這就是民眾黨這次拿這個案的關鍵啦"},{"start":29310.675,"end":29332.916,"text":"所以你說要公開直播 當場抄襲到場 會亂架 亂證 創造假訊息公審法官 公審檢察官的時候 這個案子我們台灣就不好所以國民黨跟你們投票 你們要注意 你們如果支持這個案子罷免天才火 大罷免大成功啦"},{"start":29336.069,"end":29344.954,"text":"好 謝謝王逸參委員的發言接下來我們請林柱英委員發言范雲委員請準備"},{"start":29358.022,"end":29382.145,"text":"謝謝主席還有我們所有立法院的同仁今天早上可以說是萬里無雲豔陽高照可是就在我們今天下午三點多要準備開會之後我想所有朋友都看到了那就是外面突然烏雲密布甚至於雷雨交加我必須要說我們現在審查這個法案它所代表的就跟我們現在司法的前途一樣"},{"start":29383.615,"end":29400.112,"text":"民眾黨說要讓陽光照進來但我要講這是讓我們的司法更加堪憂本席要強烈的反對那就是所謂公開審理並不表示就一定要隨時直播台灣本來就是公開審判啊"},{"start":29401.823,"end":29427.736,"text":"哪一個審判沒有公開只有中國共產黨才會把你抓樣板來演給大家看但是沒有想到民眾黨居然要提一個跟中國共產黨學習的公開審判的直播我要強調的是台灣的司法一直以來就是公開審判所以本席要強烈的反對法庭不是秀場"},{"start":29428.993,"end":29432.472,"text":"司法的審判不應該透過全程直播的方式"},{"start":29433.786,"end":29457.903,"text":"今天早上我們看到的是國民黨的委員你們到底知不知道在最後一刻在今天中午才拿出來的民眾黨的法案到底內容是什麼在這麼多的法界人士都反對的時候難道你們現在的一個表決真的就要淪為黃國昌腳尾犯示範帶開綠燈的幫手嗎"},{"start":29461.906,"end":29473.24,"text":"要幫黃國昌的腳尾犯來做除罪話嗎所以現在就變成是黃國昌示範帶未來就可以就地合法嗎"},{"start":29474.537,"end":29503.515,"text":"我要提醒國民黨如果你們怕罷免就不應該現在成為民眾黨的附隨小弟這一個充滿爭議未來可能更殘害所有事件當事人甚至於證人的法律跟權利義務的這樣一個法案此刻如果等一下五點鐘的表決你們同流合污"},{"start":29504.415,"end":29528.238,"text":"那麼就更坐實了過去這一直以來藍白聯手不只是在法案在預算殘害國家現在甚至於要把手伸向司法我提醒藍白這一陣子以來聯手因為自己的私利所創造的國家亂象已經讓人民受不了了"},{"start":29529.301,"end":29542.334,"text":"如果說今天在黃國昌的拜託懇求之下國民黨跟著一起聯手那麼民眾只會覺得要終結藍白亂象就只能大罷免謝謝林楚英委員的發言接下來我們請范雲委員請發言 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相機的視角的偏見法律系黃鼎軒教授還說現行的旁聽措施已經符合公開審理不宜再擴大等"},{"start":29710.174,"end":29727.97,"text":"日本的研究也發現公開審判的內容可能對被害人的精神和安寧造成傷害不利其回歸社會民眾黨在投票最後一個提再修正動議緊急排除我們最擔心的家事事件包含家暴等但我要以2022年新北市氣性婦人殺婦案為例"},{"start":29729.591,"end":29743.07,"text":"他名義上是國民法官審理的重大刑事案件但實際上是家暴被害人長期受報告的結果如果根據民眾黨等一下看過的條文仍然可能被公開撥送請問他的子女未來"},{"start":29752.5,"end":29782.003,"text":"好謝謝范雲委員的發言接下來李博義委員請發言李昆城委員請準備謝謝各位同仁這個法案"},{"start":29783.985,"end":29808.731,"text":"赤裸裸的台灣民眾黨跟中國國民黨正在用最不民主的方式破壞台灣的民主更想要影響台灣的法治民主跟法治是所有台灣人最珍貴賴以為生喜歡這片土地在這片土地可以安穩生活最重要的兩個指標為什麼"},{"start":29811.564,"end":29837.135,"text":"民眾黨一樣用委員會沒有討論的這個版本在今天早上一個修正動議中午在一個再修正動議國民黨在場沒有委員喔沒有看過這個再修正動議喔他們的訊息是共體時間務必今天下午四點半前進一場待命表決"},{"start":29839.144,"end":29860.843,"text":"再 通過再修正動議喔都不演了欸直接要赤裸裸的用直播企圖影響司法交換他們大罷免得到民眾黨的支持大家都知道 給幾顆而已啊沒救了"},{"start":29866.387,"end":29886.996,"text":"這個案子如果有經過委員會的審議會有很多各方來自法律界包含法官協會、女法官協會、監清檢改協會也就是檢察官協會、全國律師聯合會都提出來表示這個案子不能通過這是有很多問題的"},{"start":29888.513,"end":29912.076,"text":"那黃國昌先生呢 他就說法務部為什麼不提修正草案因為所有法律人都認為這個案子有問題呀你為什麼沒有辦法跟法律人好好務實地進行廣泛的深度討論而要用今天這種方式 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謝謝這個直播的修法案有人告訴我說委員你為什麼不支持我們在法院裡面經常受到法官的欺負很多的事實的勘驗法官都不予裁理那我要告訴這些人說其實你錯了民眾黨所提的法庭的直播呢基本上一二審的時候原則都不公開直播的"},{"start":30470.003,"end":30498.459,"text":"你以為你的小案件你的個人的案件可以被直播然後你的事實可以被發現然後你可以尋求到這個因為公審法官公審檢察官然後得到你的正義嗎錯了民眾黨的版本就只有兩個條件可以在一二審的時候公開直播第一個條件叫做重大的社會公益第二個條件叫重大的社會矚目可是我們都知道社會矚目"},{"start":30499.48,"end":30517.511,"text":"高度的社會矚目指涉的是什麼除了社會媒體報導的刑事犯罪案件經濟犯罪案件等等之外其實重大的社會矚目說穿了就是為政治人物量身定制"},{"start":30518.411,"end":30528.039,"text":"所以所謂的重大社會矚目最得到便宜的就是為政治人物所得到的特權所以在這個法庭直播裡面其實為了引進全民公審為了強化輿論審判來介入司法審判其實法庭民眾黨的這個修法版本是為了讓法庭的審理成為表演的空間然後成為政治人物的司法特權"},{"start":30546.234,"end":30571.543,"text":"說穿了其實就是為了他們的阿貝阿貝我們都看到了所謂的直播的示範帶了我們也看到了這個剪接AI剪接動搖司法公信力的過程在我們的立法院活脫脫活生生的都演過了所以在這裡我們知道法院的審理是為了發現事實可是呢"},{"start":30572.623,"end":30579.129,"text":"民眾黨的提案的版本是為了妨礙真實的事實被發現是為了助長民粹市的審判的審理我再說一遍這個直播是為政治人物量身定制的司法特權是為了讓法庭的審理再一次的成為表演空間"},{"start":30598.104,"end":30616.486,"text":"所以這不是為人民的這也不是為你被你認為司法制度不公而設計的我再請教一下民眾黨如果你在乎人民請問醫療糾紛鑑定現在沒有醫生願意鑑定你為什麼不站出來馬上立即修法"},{"start":30617.427,"end":30628.153,"text":"司法院裡面透過修法的過程把車禍的民事訴訟一律改為檢疫訴訟審理為什麼不修法而是在修這個好 謝謝林淑芬委員的發言"},{"start":30636.889,"end":30651.301,"text":"報告約會我們現在廣泛討論發言就到此告一段落沒有發言的委員陳儒剛才跟大家所報告的我們就書面發言意見均補列入公報記錄"},{"start":30653.262,"end":30677.618,"text":"現在我們開始進行逐條討論本案僅宣讀院會所收各黨團再修正動議版本其餘提案內容均列入公報記錄各黨團版本進行表決的時候我們依送案先後進行表決如果有一案通過我們就不再處理其他案現在進行第86條請宣讀"},{"start":30680.731,"end":30699.659,"text":"第86條訴訟之辯論及裁判之宣示因公開法庭刑之但有妨害國際安全公共秩序或善良風俗之餘時法院得決定不予公開前項因公開之程序與法庭空間無法容納合理人數時法院得以科技設備將開庭之聲音影響"},{"start":30700.719,"end":30716.965,"text":"傳送至同法院內適當空間之 旁聽其公開行之第84條 第4項 第88條 第89條 第91條 第94條及第95條之規定於前項行公開程序之 法庭准用之宣讀完畢請問院會本條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過有無異議"},{"start":30728.202,"end":30735.597,"text":"請問院會有無異議有異議我們要進行表決我們現在開始按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡"},{"start":31162.588,"end":31172.396,"text":"好報告院會我們現在進行處理台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議第86條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過請問院會有無異議好沒有異議我們第86條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過"},{"start":31189.831,"end":31192.564,"text":"我們現在進行第九十條處理 請宣讀"},{"start":31193.598,"end":31221.645,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團在修正《東一地球十條》法庭開庭時出法律令有規定外應與錄音必要時得與錄影最高法院大法庭於公開行訴訟之言辭辯論及裁判之宣誓時所謂之錄音錄影應以適當方式實施公開播送但有妨害國家安全公共秩序善良風俗或造成個人生命身體隱私或營業秘密重大損害之餘者得裁定不予公開播送"},{"start":31222.285,"end":31238.452,"text":"高等法院、地方法院所為之錄音錄影不予公開播送但選擇涉及重大公共利益或社會矚目之案件得審酌與公共利益之關係審判程序之公平性程序參與人及他人權益之均衡維護等一切情況後"},{"start":31239.572,"end":31264.731,"text":"就於公開行訴訟之言辭辯論及裁判之宣示所謂之錄音錄影一當事人申請會議職權裁定以適當方式實施公開播送前項之裁定得為抗告抗告無理由者抗告法院應以裁定駁回抗告有理由者抗告法院應以裁定將原裁定撤銷並自為裁定前項抗告法院之裁定不得再行抗告"},{"start":31265.471,"end":31293.722,"text":"第二项或第三项公开播送时参与诉讼程序者有正当理由确信公开播送其录音录影有下列进行之一者得以申请会议职权将其录音录影予以变声变相或其他无法直接识别该个人之方式为之一 危害其生命身体自由隐私或财权二 严重影响审判之公平性下列各款据案件不得为第二项或第三项公开播送一"},{"start":31294.682,"end":31317.424,"text":"1.以不公开法庭审理之案件2.适用检疫或相关诉讼程序之民事案件3.适用检疫或交通裁决事件诉讼程序之刑审诉讼案件4.最重本行5年以下有期徒刑之刑事案件5.适用家事事件法、少年事件处理法、智慧残杀案件审理法或商业事件审理法审理之案件"},{"start":31318.244,"end":31337.631,"text":"今第二項第三項合法公開播送之錄音錄影不受第九十條之四之限制法庭錄音錄影公開播送相關事項之辦法由司法院定之宣讀完畢法院會本條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過請問有無異議有異議我們要進行表決"},{"start":31344.025,"end":31358.33,"text":"我們現在要開始進行表決現在台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘贊成台灣民眾黨黨團請按贊成反對請按反對現在開始"},{"start":31451.572,"end":31456.476,"text":"好 抱怨會現在報告表決結果我們現場出席108位委員贊成59位反對49位贊成者多數"},{"start":31467.878,"end":31497.561,"text":"第九十條 照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過報言會現在我們進行第九十一條請宣讀台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議第九十一條法庭開庭時應保持宿敬不得有大聲交談、鼓唱、吸煙、飲食物品自行攝影、錄音、錄影及其他妨害法庭秩序或不當行為違反前項規定者審判長得命期停止該行為禁止其進入法庭"},{"start":31497.961,"end":31498.101,"text":"保援會"},{"start":31518.57,"end":31545.698,"text":"本條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過請問有無異議沒有異議第九十一條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過報議會現在進行第九十三條請宣讀台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議第九十三條審判長為第九十一條及第九十二條之處分時應命記名其事由於筆錄宣讀完畢報議會"},{"start":31548.274,"end":31564.648,"text":"本條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案第93條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過報案院會我們現在進行第115條請宣讀"},{"start":31568.137,"end":31582.891,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議第115條本法自公佈日施行中華民國105年5月27日修正式條文自106年1月1日施行中華民國107年12月7日修正式條文自公佈後6月施行"},{"start":31583.391,"end":31612.131,"text":"中华民国110年11月23日修正之条文除增订第七条之一至第七条之十一自111年1月4日施行外自公布日施行中华民国111年5月31日修正之条文除第17条第17条之一第18条及第37条自公布日施行外其施行日期由司法院定之中华民国114年6月27日修正之条文自公布后三个月施行"},{"start":31612.673,"end":31612.959,"text":"學童還被"},{"start":31614.199,"end":31638.943,"text":"請問院會本條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過請問有無異議有異議我們要進行表決我們現在開始進行表決台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨要求記名表決我們開始現在表決贊成台灣民眾黨黨團請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":31730.643,"end":31738.629,"text":"好 報告宴會現在報告表決結果我們出席108位委員贊成59位反對49位贊成者多數第115條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過"},{"start":31756.124,"end":31758.829,"text":"本院會全案經過二讀現有台灣民眾黨黨團體繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議有異議我們院有異議現在進行表決針對"},{"start":31770.543,"end":31772.825,"text":"臺灣民眾黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決贊成臺灣民眾黨黨團請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":31885.531,"end":31885.912,"text":"好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝謝謝"},{"start":31897.509,"end":31902.172,"text":"現在報告表決結果出席108位贊成59位反對49位棄權0位贊成者多數我們現在做一下宣告本案繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀這條文"},{"start":31920.936,"end":31945.237,"text":"第86條訴訟之辯論及裁判之宣示應公開法庭行之但有妨害國家安全公共秩序或善良風俗之餘時法院的決定不予公開前項應公開之程序與法庭空間無法容納合理人數時法院得以科技設備將開庭之聲音影像傳送至同法院內適當空間之旁聽其公開行之"},{"start":31945.897,"end":31968.537,"text":"第84條第4項第88條第89條第91條第94條及第95條之規定於前項行公開程序之法庭轉用之第90條法庭開庭時處法律令有規定外應與錄音必要時等於錄影最高法院大法庭於公開行訴訟之言辭辯論及裁判之宣誓時"},{"start":31969.258,"end":31997.717,"text":"所谓之录音录影应以适当方式实施公开播送但有妨害国家安全公共秩序善良风俗或造成个人生命身体隐私或营业秘密重大损害之余者得裁定不予公开播送高等法院地方法院所谓之录音录影不予公开播送但人理涉及重大公共利益或社会瞩目之案件得选择与公共利益之关系审判程序之公平性"},{"start":31998.337,"end":32013.167,"text":"程序参与人及他人权益之均衡维护等一切情况后就于公开行诉讼之言辞辩论及裁判之宣示所谓之录音录影依当事人申请或依职权裁定以适当方式实施公开播送"},{"start":32014.168,"end":32039.206,"text":"前項之裁定得為抗告抗告無理由者抗告法院應以裁定駁回抗告有理由者抗告法院應以裁定將原裁定撤銷並自為裁定前項抗告法院之裁定不得再行抗告為第二項或第三項公開播送時參與訴訟程序者有正當理由確信公開播送其錄音錄影有下列情形之意者得以申請會議職權"},{"start":32040.467,"end":32061.274,"text":"将其录音录影予以变声变相或其他无法直接识别该个人之方式为之一 危害其生命身体自由隐私或财权二 严重影响审判之公平性下列更换之案件不得为第二项或第三项公开播送一 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在場委員108位贊成49位 反對59位 贊成者少數 附議案不通過法院會 我們現在進行完成立法程序後之委員發言並截止登記第一位 我們請陳培宇委員請發言 劉書斌委員請準備"},{"start":32470.128,"end":32489.084,"text":"好 我們現在請陳培宇委員發言好 謝謝院長三讀後的發言我想民進黨團還是要堅決的表達我們的立場因為在立法院呢出現一個非常神奇的立法委員那個人自詡為法學博士他叫黃國昌那個之前修國會擴權修到被大法官宣告違憲的也是黃國昌"},{"start":32490.245,"end":32505.372,"text":"在司法法治委員會丟出示範帶他的同事張祺凱說聽了很多次的那個人依然叫黃國昌黃國昌在今天跟國民黨一起提出了這個修正法案我們感到非常非常的遺憾所有法學專業的呼籲"},{"start":32506.673,"end":32530.07,"text":"所有法學專業的提醒他們完全不聽他們不把法官不把檢察官不把律師不把相關學者專家不把所有人的呼籲放在心裡也不願意聽進去他們決意堅持這麼做他們甚至還私下協議認為這樣的修法有助於他們的大罷免我真的不知道他們是怎麼想的"},{"start":32530.951,"end":32554.506,"text":"大概是因為他們不尊重專業他們也不願意傾聽民意所以才會有今天這個結果我們當然感到非常的遺憾我們也呼籲所有的公民所有關心相關議題的學者專家持續站出來呼籲持續站出來對話因為傲慢的民眾黨還有傲慢的國民黨他們已經沒有把人民放在眼裡沒有放在心裡而今天過後"},{"start":32555.146,"end":32572.009,"text":"所有可能發生的病都有他們必須概括承受就像我想要問所有之後被拿去做後製剪接濫用這些影像現在沒有相關的下架機制沒有相關的檢核機制如果有人因此被誤會了"},{"start":32572.83,"end":32595.717,"text":"人因此被影響了請問相關的公正公義公平是誰要還給他而民眾黨今天提出來的版本讓人感到非常的傷心跟失望是他們加速司法的不透明是他們加速司法的黑箱黃國昌你們口口聲聲說陽光要照進司法我想要問陽光有照進我們司法法是委員會的嗎你們近乎二讀"},{"start":32600.575,"end":32603.599,"text":"好 謝謝陳培原發言接下來我們請劉淑斌發言人 張啟凱為請準備"},{"start":32622.914,"end":32640.26,"text":"好高喔 好像不行等一下 抱歉朱熹非常好"},{"start":32641.175,"end":32651.982,"text":"主席、各位委員,今天立法院三讀通過的《法院組織法》有關於法庭直播的修正條文包括了86條、90條、91、93和115條,標誌著我國的司法公開邁出了關鍵的一步"},{"start":32661.307,"end":32666.77,"text":"這次修法明確將直播的範圍限縮在重大的公共事件上面並排除了國家安全、家事和個人的隱私等敏感案件是在保障人權之間和提升司法透明之間取得的平衡"},{"start":32680.818,"end":32706.589,"text":"長期以來 人民對司法不公平 不透明判決難以理解 甚至懷疑有黑箱作業的疑慮透過這項制度 法庭不再只是少數人的空間而是全民都能夠見證的公共場域這將有助於司法信任的提升讓正義看得見 也看得懂"},{"start":32707.469,"end":32731.024,"text":"更重要的是法庭直播不只是技術的改變更是一種民主政治法治教育的實踐讓年輕的世代社會大眾能夠直接觀察司法如何運作深化對法治精神的理解是司法改革的具體成果"},{"start":32732.503,"end":32752.877,"text":"感謝所有參與立法修法工作審查的同仁委員這是一個值得令人民肯定的進步民進黨跳票 民政黨做到民進黨跳票 民眾黨做到大家一起加油促進司法改革走向第一步 謝謝謝謝劉淑檳委員的發言"},{"start":32759.687,"end":32762.293,"text":"我們接下來請張祺凱委員發言 麥義忠委員請準備"},{"start":32775.356,"end":32801.199,"text":"陽光終於照進了法庭民進黨跳票8年的承諾今天台灣民眾黨幫它實現了陽光照進法庭以後很多的冤案 弊案終於重現天日了遺憾的是民進黨今天還一直在造謠想把陽光擋在法院之外"},{"start":32802.643,"end":32825.442,"text":"現在為什麼要做司法的改革 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