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更遠報告其實在相關這個相關國際機關的評比台灣在亞太地區的新聞自由度其實一直都是第一名的都是第一名只有百分之三十這遠低於平均的百分之四十主委這怎麼會是第一名呢那我們再看我們再看到韓國的KCC他們在面臨公信力的危機時他們透過制度性的歸零還有重組來回應社會喔那我們這邊要怎麼來回應社會和民眾呢 主委"},{"start":212.615,"end":241.734,"text":"這邊涉及到組織改制這應該是我覺得應該是可以討論那應該是相關相關社會各界包括戀愛關係的機關或者說是因為有社會各界嘛有大學教授那也有還有學者他們有忽悠我們乾脆效仿韓國來砍掉重練那韓國他們透過制度歸零還有來重建權威那NCC敢不敢針對申訴的申訴還有申訴的機制還有公信力低落這邊提出改革報告呢"},{"start":244.036,"end":269.617,"text":"這邊申訴的部分其實跟委員報告剛剛我們講說因為我們都是事後監理那這一塊申訴後續的事後監理其實都目前都是法有明文衛廣法27條等等的這個我們都有在一線有的方式來處理那如果民眾覺得這方面還可以再進進如果是有形成這個法律條文我們都會來依法辦理來落實法尊"},{"start":270.337,"end":282.974,"text":"主委我們回歸到問題的本身嘛那就是百分之二十六百分之八十二點六的民眾他們的不信這個不信任度那麼高因為他們發現NCC的申訴流程緩慢且無效那主委這個要怎麼來做提升"},{"start":284.371,"end":308.032,"text":"以這兩年來看申訴因為有很多的案件是涉及到委員會的保留事項現在NCC沒有委員會議所以這一塊很多到諮詢會就下一步要上委員會那邊就沒有辦法參與這個是你們回應民眾的方式嗎在對於民眾提出申訴的時候這是你們的態度嗎我們是把目前我們的局限性對相關的跟各位跟委員報告"},{"start":309.111,"end":335.988,"text":"主委也提高效率啦 這才是重點啦對 就是如果可以走到資源會議部分我們其實大概都目前相關的案件可以處理我們幾乎都已經處理到資源會議之前CC重新建立你們的信任度了那我們再來看5G的數位落差那報告中還有提到民眾尚未從4G轉到5G那74%認為是目前使用4G服務已經足夠那另外48.5%他們認為5G的資費比較高那還有其他的民眾他們認為比較糟糕的點主委你認為是什麼"},{"start":338.346,"end":361.44,"text":"一般民眾認為說5G跟4G的差異不大那主要原因是5G它的關鍵應用是Killer Application始終好像都還沒有到位資費的部分最近講的是Application我覺得民眾他們沒有辦法理解那最主要的就是收訊不穩還有網路速度不如預期那NCC這邊要怎麼來提出改善"},{"start":362.947,"end":380.927,"text":"只要有個案上或者民眾申訴我們都會請業者去現場看那如果室內信號不好你們確實都是請業者去現場看然後我們也接受到民眾的陳情嘛就是一案這樣一案然後再去現場看那政府前前後後砸了兩千多億補助五區然後結果業者只把基站都蓋在商業區還有都會區"},{"start":382.808,"end":400.756,"text":"沒有 偏遠地區其實也有蓋 當初說不清之前的前端計畫我們也有補助的一部分因為我們要求越久再屏障那件事因為他的收訊品質確實就是就是呈現了有一個巨大的斷層債嘛那人民付一樣的錢為什麼還要忍受訊號不佳不穩定甚至收不到訊號呢"},{"start":402.241,"end":429.855,"text":"如果偏鄉還有存在落差其實有普及服務的機制來處理普及服務機制在主改之後目前是歸稅務部在處理但是我們NCC也是跟稅務部來協力只要民眾反映有稅訊不良我們都會請業者來盡速改善請業者盡速改善那你們有沒有對業者給予實質的裁罰呢你們前前後後都補助了那麼多的錢那可不可以請業者到實地去做測量"},{"start":431.209,"end":436.132,"text":"因為你們一直都說覆蓋率有達九成以上可是這人民的感受感受不到這九成以上覆蓋率所帶來的質量"},{"start":448.69,"end":469.984,"text":"一般講覆蓋率九成是指人口涵蓋率不是地理涵蓋率因為台灣中央多山你們在三個月內可不可以公佈針對偏鄉地區的5G品質實測報告我們會給報告給提出信號給委員說明三個月內那如果針對就是不合格的話你們要怎麼來督促業者我們一樣會在報告裡頭來詳細展明"},{"start":472.817,"end":495.689,"text":"那另外民眾他遭受到詐騙的管道通常都是即時候選還有行動電話嘛那這些都是重災區那詐騙集團他們用的虛名門號還有賣油卡也都是電信業者管理漏洞流出的嘛那近年來主委你也知道非法二類電信還有賣油的網路卡都是詐騙集團的標配那你們宣稱有在推動實名制那實際上那這些門號在網路平台還有地下通訊都可以買主委你用掌握到嗎"},{"start":496.369,"end":518.758,"text":"有 其實最關鍵是國際商務漫遊卡其實是國外的卡不是國內電信業者的卡這一塊再打到第20條打到條例20條21條已經有規範一些措施那目前我們也跟高檢署跟情勢警察局調查局等等都有持續在做那現在有沒有即時的預警系統預警系統是國際電話來話如果是國際電話來話都會語音警示"},{"start":523.41,"end":545.256,"text":"那你們什麼時候要針對這些就是賣蔣門號的不需要業者做出裁罷蔣門號賣的業者如果被查到我們會依據我們電信號碼管理辦法等等來處理其實在你們過去有沒有抓到有罰多少錢應該起碼都一千多萬以上早覺得某一家電信業的合併之前就受到我們很多你們有沒有名單"},{"start":547.178,"end":558.252,"text":"有 會後再提供我名單那剛剛本席有提到嘛就是針對通訊品質然後還有這個懲罰的名單再提供給我們刑事辦公室好 沒問題"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:18:50+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:18:51.457000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:18:51.457000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:18:52.914000+08:00","text":"主席，有請陳代理主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:18:52.914000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:18:54.371000+08:00","text":"請陳代理主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:18:54.371000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:18:55.828000+08:00","text":"邱委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:18:55.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:18:55.928000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:18:55.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:18:59.629000+08:00","text":"主委，今天是本會期NCC第一次報告，除了你們提供的業務報告之外，我也看了最新發布的114年通訊傳播市場報告，在這份將近400頁的調查報告中，我就用你們自己委託做的調查數據來就教主委。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:18:59.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:19:00.450000+08:00","text":"主委，您認為人民現在還信不信任NCC？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:19:28.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:19:32.558000+08:00","text":"人民對NCC有很多的期待，換個角度來講是這樣子。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:19:33.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:19:36.001000+08:00","text":"對，是有期待，那您認為還信任嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:19:36.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:19:45.489000+08:00","text":"信任跟期待……其實對NCC在信任上還是有所信任，希望我們能夠做得更好，所以我相信應該是有。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:19:45.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:19:47.711000+08:00","text":"全民都希望NCC可以做得更好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:19:47.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:19:55.876000+08:00","text":"我們來看在這份委託民調報告中第399頁，它談到關於接觸假訊息後採取的行動，那個數據非常驚人。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:19:56.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:20:11.462000+08:00","text":"根據114年調查顯示，民眾看到假訊息之後，他選擇不再看該則新聞的比例從兩年前的34.9%飆升到82.6%，選擇向政府申訴或是檢舉的比例已經低到沒有辦法顯示。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:20:11.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:20:12.302000+08:00","text":"主委，您認為為什麼會這樣子？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:20:14.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:20:39.112000+08:00","text":"大概是兩個原因，因為第一個，當今的數位世代資訊泛濫，然後在網路上的數位平臺發達，所以傳統媒體的觸及率相對地也會被影響，那年輕世代大概比較傾向於尋找網路，他自己來選擇收視的一些媒體。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:20:42.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:20:46.564000+08:00","text":"這個跟不信任有什麼關係？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:20:47.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:20:53.546000+08:00","text":"應該是說在本會的部分，這一塊應該是跟新聞頻道有關，新聞頻道……","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:20:53.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:20:54.546000+08:00","text":"剛剛我有提到嘛！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:20:55.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:21:07.011000+08:00","text":"民眾對於政府申訴管道極度不信任，主委，有82.6%抱持著這樣子的消極態度，這是不是對NCC的監理能力表示不信任的投票呢？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:21:08.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:21:15.912000+08:00","text":"假設解讀上是這樣的話，我們NCC其實本來就應該要持續精進，我們會持續來努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:21:16.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:21:24.876000+08:00","text":"是，因為民眾不覺得檢舉有用，他也覺得NCC沒有辦法保護他們，反過來他們只能自求多福嘛！","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:21:25.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:21:29.358000+08:00","text":"主委，您知道臺灣民眾對於媒體的信任度大概是多少呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:21:30.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:21:38.832000+08:00","text":"這個要從源頭上來講，跟委員報告，對於媒體，因為現在我們是自由民主國家，我們不會做事前的管制，所以都是事後。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:21:39.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:21:51.998000+08:00","text":"主委，您談到自由民主國家，我們來看在亞洲地區，泰國高達55%，香港也有52%，新加坡45%，在日本有40%到45%，您認為臺灣的信任度大概是多少？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:21:53.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:22:02.707000+08:00","text":"這是相對的，也跟委員報告，其實在相關國際機關的評比，臺灣在亞太地區的新聞自由度一直都是第一名的。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:22:03.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:22:03.468000+08:00","text":"都是第一名？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:22:03.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:22:08.509000+08:00","text":"只有30%，遠低於平均的40%，主委，這怎麼會是第一名呢？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:22:10.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:22:21.334000+08:00","text":"我們再看到韓國的KCC，在面臨公信力的危機時，他們透過制度性的歸零還有重組來回應社會，那我們這邊要怎麼回應社會和民眾呢？主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:22:22.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:22:33.562000+08:00","text":"這邊涉及到組織改制，我覺得這應該是可以討論，也應該是相關社會各界，包括利害關係的機關，或者說……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:22:33.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:22:34.502000+08:00","text":"是，因為有社會各界嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:22:34.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:22:51.514000+08:00","text":"有大學教授，還有學者，他們有呼籲我們乾脆效仿韓國砍掉重練，韓國他們是透過制度歸零來重建權威，那NCC敢不敢針對申訴機制還有公信力低落提出改革報告？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:22:54.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:23:19.416000+08:00","text":"申訴的部分，也跟委員報告，剛才我有講因為我們都是事後監理，申訴後續的事後監理目前都是法有明文，譬如衛廣法第二十七條等等，我們都有依現有的方式處理，如果民眾覺得這方面還可以再精進，如果有形成法律條文，我們都會依法辦理落實法遵。","quality":0.874},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:23:20.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:23:32.954000+08:00","text":"是，主委，我們回歸問題本身，有82.6%民眾的不信任度那麼高，因為他們發現NCC的申訴流程緩慢且無效，主委，這個要怎麼提升？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:23:34.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:23:47.082000+08:00","text":"以這兩年來看，申訴因為有很多的案件是涉及到委員會的保留事項，現在NCC沒有委員會議，所以這一塊很多到諮詢會就……下一步要上委員會那邊就沒有辦法處理。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:23:47.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:23:49.664000+08:00","text":"這個是你們回應民眾的方式嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:23:49.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:23:53.427000+08:00","text":"對於民眾提出申訴的時候，這是你們的態度嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:23:53.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:23:58.011000+08:00","text":"我們是把目前的局限性跟委員報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:23:59.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:23:59.912000+08:00","text":"主委，提高效率啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:00.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:24:00.752000+08:00","text":"這才是重點啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:01.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:24:07.796000+08:00","text":"對，如果可以走到諮詢會議的部分，目前相關的案件可以處理的，我們幾乎都已經處理到諮詢會議。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:08.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:24:09.678000+08:00","text":"也請NCC重新建立你們的信任度。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:09.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:24:25.988000+08:00","text":"我們再來看5G的數位落差，在報告中還有提到，民眾尚未從4G轉到5G，74%認為目前使用4G服務已經足夠，另外48.5%他們認為5G的資費比較高，還有其他的民眾認為比較糟糕的點，主委，您認為是什麼？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:28.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:24:39.513000+08:00","text":"一般民眾認為5G跟4G的差異不大，主要原因是因為5G它的關鍵應用，killer application好像都還沒有到位。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:40.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:24:41.354000+08:00","text":"在資費的部分，那……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:42.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:24:45.416000+08:00","text":"主委，你講這個application，我覺得民眾沒有辦法理解啦！","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:45.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:24:51.420000+08:00","text":"最主要的就是收訊不穩，還有網路速度不如預期，NCC要怎麼提出改善？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:52.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:24:59.094000+08:00","text":"只要有個案上或者民眾申訴，我們都會請業者去現場看，如果室內信號不好……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:24:59.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:05.641000+08:00","text":"對，你們確實都是請業者去現場看，然後我們也接受到民眾的陳情，就是這樣一案一案去現場看。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:06.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:10.927000+08:00","text":"政府前前後後砸了兩千多億補助5G，結果業者只把基站蓋在商業區還有都會區。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:12.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:18.291000+08:00","text":"沒有，偏遠地區其實也有蓋，當初數位部成立之前的前瞻計畫我們也有補助了一部分，也有要求業者在偏鄉要建設。","quality":0.596},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:18.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:30.736000+08:00","text":"因為這份報告也顯現偏鄉地區跟都會區的收訊品質確實呈現了一個巨大的斷層，那人民付一樣的錢，為什麼還要忍受訊號不佳、不穩定甚至收不到訊號呢？","quality":0.766},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:32.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:47.189000+08:00","text":"如果偏鄉還有存在落差，其實有普及服務的機制來處理，普及服務機制在組改之後，目前是歸數位部在處理，但是我們NCC也是跟數位部協力，只要民眾反映有收訊不良，我們都會請業者來儘速改善。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:48.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:51.631000+08:00","text":"請業者儘速改善，那你們有沒有對業者給予實質的裁罰？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:53.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:54.752000+08:00","text":"你們前前後後都補助了那麼多的錢。如果……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:56.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:25:59.835000+08:00","text":"可不可以請業者到實地測量？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:25:59.835000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:01.209000+08:00","text":"民眾認為沒有訊號，去測量也是沒有的話，如果有這個需求，我們都會要求電信業者當然要改善它的涵蓋，就是在當地會設一些基地臺。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:01.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:06.112000+08:00","text":"因為你們一直都說覆蓋率有達9成以上，可是人民感受不到這個9成以上覆蓋率所帶來的質量啊！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:18.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:23.854000+08:00","text":"一般講覆蓋率9成是指人口涵蓋率，不是地理涵蓋率，因為臺灣中央多山，所以裡面的涵蓋率……","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:24.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:28.217000+08:00","text":"好，你們在3個月內可不可以公布針對偏鄉地區的5G品質實測報告？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:28.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:33.880000+08:00","text":"我們會提出書面報告給委員說明。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:34.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:38.163000+08:00","text":"3個月內，那如果有不合格的話，你們要怎麼督促業者？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:39.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:39.964000+08:00","text":"我們一樣會在報告裡頭詳細載明。OK。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:42.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:26:53.182000+08:00","text":"另外，民眾遭受詐騙的管道通常都是即時通訊還有行動電話，這些都是重災區，而詐騙集團他們用的虛擬門號還有漫遊卡也都是從電信業者管理漏洞流出的嘛！","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:26:53.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:05.028000+08:00","text":"近年來，主委您也知道，非法二類電信還有漫遊的網路卡都是詐騙集團的標配，你們宣稱有在推動實名制，但實際上這些門號在網路平臺還有地下通訊都可以買。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:05.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:05.689000+08:00","text":"主委，你有掌握到嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:06.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:22.756000+08:00","text":"有，其實最關鍵的是這些國際商務漫遊卡是國外的卡，不是國內電信業者的卡，這一塊在打詐條例第二十條、第二十一條已經有規範一些措施，目前我們也跟高檢署，跟刑事警察局、調查局等等都有持續在做，真正……","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:24.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:25.497000+08:00","text":"你們現在有沒有即時的預警系統？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:25.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:28.738000+08:00","text":"預警系統是針對國際電話來話，如果是國際電話來話都會語音警示。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:33.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:37.831000+08:00","text":"所以你們什麼時候要針對這一些賣假門號的不肖業者做出裁罰？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:39.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:44.273000+08:00","text":"賣假門號的業者如果被查到，我們就會依據電信號碼管理辦法等等來處理，其實在……","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:44.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:45.673000+08:00","text":"你們過去有沒有抓到？有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:46.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:48.634000+08:00","text":"罰多少錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:48.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:54.676000+08:00","text":"起碼都一千多萬以上，早期某一家電信業者合併之前就受到我們很多……","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:54.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:55.256000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有名單？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:55.256000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:27:58.379000+08:00","text":"有，我們會後提供給您。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:27:58.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:06.870000+08:00","text":"好，請主委會後再提供我名單，還有剛剛本席提到的，就是針對通訊品質，然後還有懲罰的名單，請再提供給本席辦公室。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:07.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:08.252000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:08.752000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:10.180571+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:10.480571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:11.623429+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:11.923429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:16.209143+08:00","text":"謝謝邱若華委員，也謝謝陳代理主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T11:28:16.509143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T11:28:19.652000+08:00","text":"接下來請陳素月委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}