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立場我想因為最近審計部針對這樣的一個個案在屏東清查了一千多件這樣的個案"},{"start":260.08,"end":283.795,"text":"用現在的法令來課這樣的一個地價稅我認為不近人情那以我們的農業發展條例民國92年1月13號以前已經有固定設施的農業基礎面積在250平方公尺以下的話可以免申請這個建築的執照那財政部能不能來輔導我們相關的這個地方政府來做這樣的一個規範"},{"start":284.807,"end":310.499,"text":"好 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謝謝"},{"start":314.266,"end":317.069,"text":"謝謝徐委員下一位請林楚英委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:03:53+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:03:54.551500+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請莊部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:03:54.551500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:03:56.103000+08:00","text":"請財政部莊部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:03:56.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:03:56.383000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:03:57.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:03:57.244000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:03:57.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:04:17.453000+08:00","text":"部長，最近小吃店要開發票的事情鬧得沸沸揚揚，很多鄉親好朋友都告訴我，屏東有好吃的肉圓、滷肉飯及粄條等等，在過去是庶民的小確幸，因此被稱為銅板美食。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:04:18.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:04:22.914000+08:00","text":"但是，可能因為這樣的政策，銅板美食消失了、大家也沒有小確幸了！","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:04:23.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:04:39.138000+08:00","text":"雖然部長及相關單位在第一時間就出來澄清說明，但是我認為說明的力道不夠，民間仍然持續以訛傳訛，甚至網路上的假訊息也是層出不窮。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:04:39.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:05:01.511000+08:00","text":"部長，媒體說全臺估計有7萬家業者受到影響，然而我們調閱了114年每月銷售額達20萬元之查定課徵大眾化消費飲食店家的數據，平均只有五千多家，為什麼會有那麼大的落差？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:05:02.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:05:02.151000+08:00","text":"請部長說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:05:04.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:05:06.998000+08:00","text":"確實是五千多家，並沒有所謂的七萬多家。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:05:07.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:05:22.966000+08:00","text":"我們也要再次說明，未超過20萬元的並沒有要開發票，也可以適用1%的稅率；至於超過20萬元的，只要它能夠導入行動支付的話，在這個期間可以做一個緩衝，而且同樣也是依照1%的稅率。","quality":0.77},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:05:24.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:05:28.890000+08:00","text":"事實上，這個時間原本就有了，只是又再延長，希望在這個時間內大家都可以利用。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:05:30.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:05:42.332000+08:00","text":"這個部分對於消費者其實可以更方便、對於小吃業者也可以更方便收款，所以我們一直都在輔導，也會結合經濟部輔導這些小店家們使用行動支付。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:05:43.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:05:52.978000+08:00","text":"部長，我知道你很用心做這樣的規劃，但實務面上的推動不只是財政部的問題，一定要結合相關部會。會。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:05:53.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:06:10.187000+08:00","text":"對小店家而言，忙著做生意、忙著賺錢，已經很忙了，還要導入這些像是電子發票或數位的東西，對於年紀比較大的店家老闆而言，如果沒有二代、三代接手，也沒有辦法處理。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:06:11.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:06:25.771000+08:00","text":"第二個，我看到最近的新聞報導，如果真的要推動，許多店家已經決定要轉嫁到消費者身上，我想我們還是應該透過不同管道把這樣的誤解說清楚。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:06:28.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:06:34.125000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的指教，我們一定會再加強說明及宣導，並結合經濟部一起去做。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:06:35.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:06:43.069000+08:00","text":"我們也歡迎部長有空來屏東吃我們好吃的肉圓、滷肉飯，享受我們的銅板美食，不要讓它消失了。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:06:44.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:06:45.110000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:06:45.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:06:50.192000+08:00","text":"部長，最近我們接到一個服務案件，在此要請教部長的看法。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:06:51.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:06:53.854000+08:00","text":"部長，你知道在我們鄉下有很多過去的三合院嗎？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:06:53.854000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:06:56.583000+08:00","text":"有，我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:06:56.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:07:03.304000+08:00","text":"三合院都會有一個曬穀場，以前種稻米都需要曬穀。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:07:05.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:07:13.986000+08:00","text":"在過去的時代，曬穀場也是很多老中青三代晚上休閒聊天的地方。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-03-25T12:07:14.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:07:22.788000+08:00","text":"但是隨著時代的進步，現在財政單位認定它沒有農地農用所以就必須要課稅，部長知道這個狀況嗎？","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:07:25.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:07:30.999000+08:00","text":"這個是屬於地方稅，是不是地方稅務局有做這樣的調整或是怎麼樣，署長要說明嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:07:34.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:07:36.287000+08:00","text":"我是不是請署長來說明一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-03-25T12:07:38.622000+08:00","guess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