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預算暗數的話那會不會有超增這個部分我們要必須要再算而且目前來說你現在沒有算嗎才在年初因為真正的大筆稅額是要到五月六月會出來以及九月那個時候才會比較看得出來我們宋署長好像宋署長你有沒有算了部長他不說你有沒有算你沒算嗎宋署長你沒算嗎我們會持續的關注宋署長你沒算嗎"},{"start":133.869,"end":160.19,"text":"報告委員因為委員講的是調高今年的經濟成長率不是對我是說會不會有可能影響到就是說稅收跟去年我跟委員報告是因為我們現在稅收的大筆大概超過二分之一都來自所得稅可是我們所得稅是落後申報所以今年的經濟成長率調高會反映到明年會跟今年的運算數還沒有完全相關那我們現在是去年的"},{"start":160.951,"end":175.904,"text":"譬如說上市櫃公司獲利的情形跟整個民眾的所得的情形那這個我們在委員會大家在討論的時候你們二月的那個就是說股市交易稅已經"},{"start":177.365,"end":196.011,"text":"有超徵的嘛對不對對增交稅有但是因為他他有時候是有起伏的有起伏那這個一般根據往例都會滾就在審議的時候委員會會有適當時的狀況做一些調整所以你都沒算"},{"start":199.932,"end":227.269,"text":"所以沒算委員在審預算的時候我們當然會再做會再來做一些看看那個目前執行的情形好所以其實今年的那個證交稅已經二月到目前為止已經有就是超徵的這個情況了嘛是不是那如果再加上其他的稅率那希望說委員會的時候大家可以拿出來討論再來就是兆元投資"},{"start":230.071,"end":254.228,"text":"的這個計劃投資方案我想請教因為我那天去問了國發會他們都沒有提到目前我們希望把保險業的資金引入公建有可能就是說我們的稅收有可能沒有辦法因應的時候或者是我們有特別預算等等都會支應我們是不是有辦法"},{"start":257.27,"end":274.898,"text":"把這個保險業的資金引進到我們的公共投資那你們財政部有沒有方案有沒有具體的方案讓就是保險業的資金能夠投資台灣的公共建設呢"},{"start":276.24,"end":294.338,"text":"是委員提到造園投資方案造園投資方案裡面有三大個策略主軸第一個就是創新促餐推動機制這個部分財政部很重要就是要彙整案源也就是說你要資金進來至少要有案子還有案子可以投資對不對所以我們目前有一個促餐平台第一個"},{"start":295.339,"end":313.459,"text":"除了政府機關中央部會或地方政府提出相關的畜餐案之外我們在平台上會公布讓大家知道這個案源另外我們也會接受民間可以主動提案他要來推動這樣的一個公共建設然後我們會在平台上顯示而且我們有個畜餐專案辦公室去媒合"},{"start":314.239,"end":332.14,"text":"去輔導案子能夠成功這是一個另外一個就是經管會這個部分他就會去修正相關的法規或者是一些風險係數權數來讓那個保險業資金可以進入公共建設那你們現在目前最大的案源"},{"start":333.001,"end":336.106,"text":"你們最大的案源多少?那整體的案源有沒有超過兆元?"},{"start":345.889,"end":367.729,"text":"整體的案源這個部分我們來看一下我想幾個統計數字由我們促參司司長來跟您報告好不好我又好那我們大概去年保險業投資就是我們的促參案的部分其實去年大概最大的一個案源是高雄市的AEI的一個焚化爐大概有165億"},{"start":369.511,"end":394.843,"text":"那最大的案源165億那另外還有還有一個是新竹縣的一個物流中心有125億大概這兩個案源大概加起來是290億左右保險業的資金有十幾兆結果我們最大的案源只有一百多億那怎麼樣子讓保險業能夠留在台灣投資促進台灣的公共建設呢我覺得這個部分"},{"start":396.464,"end":421.166,"text":"財政部以及相關部會要進行進一步的研討那你沒有有效的計畫就沒有辦法把資金留在台灣尤其現在我們在中東地區的資金曝險的這個部位這麼高的情況下你沒有有效的利用這一次的機會把資金引回來台灣的話那就沒有辦法讓"},{"start":422.387,"end":431.729,"text":"就是說你沒有提供足夠的岸緣就沒有辦法把資金引回台灣好不好趙偉已經站起來了是我想趙董事長積極在推動當中本席在這邊再次請財政部要注意用詞沒有超增這兩個字是時收數超過預算數謝謝請下一位委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:15:50+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:15:51+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請莊部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:15:50.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:15:51.483000+08:00","text":"請財政部莊部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:15:56.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:15:57.057000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:15:57.057000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:01.138000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:01.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:20.763000+08:00","text":"主計總處已經調高今年的經濟成長率到7.71%，去年你估算時可能沒有預計到我們的經濟成長有可能這麼高，請問，你覺得今年的稅收會不會超徵？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:22.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:37.709000+08:00","text":"報告委員，一般是實徵數超過預算數，但是今年的總預算還沒有審，所以我們稅課收入的預算數目前只是一個預算案數，並不是最後的法定預算。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:37.709000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:38.709000+08:00","text":"所以有可能會改嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:38.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:42.229000+08:00","text":"我們當然在稅收的部分依法收取啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:45.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:47.130000+08:00","text":"但即便是總預算通過，也不會改了吧？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:48.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:50.311000+08:00","text":"在總預算的審查過程中，委員會當然也會討論啊！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:51.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:53.592000+08:00","text":"所以還會改嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:53.592000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:54.592000+08:00","text":"所以有可能可以改？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:53.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:57.895000+08:00","text":"委員會討論，我們會與委員們一起討論，往年也都會有所調整。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:57.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:16:58.635000+08:00","text":"所以你們會提高？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:16:58.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:17:01.176000+08:00","text":"往年都會在委員會討論，有時候會有……","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:17:03.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:17:04.078000+08:00","text":"有可能會提高嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:17:04.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:17:05.979000+08:00","text":"往年也都會有調整。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:17:06.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:17:07.920000+08:00","text":"有可能會提高嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:17:07.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:17:10.621000+08:00","text":"那要看委員會的討論以及黨團的協商。","quality":0.812},{"sp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也會公布，讓大家知道案源。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:20:51.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:00.375000+08:00","text":"另外，我們也接受民間主動提案推動公共建設，然後會在平臺上顯示。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:00.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:06.862000+08:00","text":"而且我們有促參專案辦公室媒合、輔導，讓案子能夠成功，這是一點。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:07.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:19.437000+08:00","text":"另外一個部分就是金管會，它會修正相關法規或風險係數權數，讓保險業資金可以進入公共建設，同時也放寬……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:19.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:22.120000+08:00","text":"你們現在最大的案源是多少？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:23.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:23.382000+08:00","text":"最大的案源？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:23.382000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:24.382000+08:00","text":"您是指已經簽約的對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:24.382000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:25.382000+08:00","text":"關於已經簽約的，促參司這邊有資料。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:25.382000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:26.382000+08:00","text":"最大的案源是多少？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:24.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:26.086000+08:00","text":"整體案源有沒有超過兆元？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:35.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:38.952000+08:00","text":"整體案源我們要看一下。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:39.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:44.237000+08:00","text":"我想有幾個統計數字由促參司司長向您報告，好不好？好。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"張司長素珍","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:44.237000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:46.679000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張司長素珍","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:46.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:21:57.729000+08:00","text":"在保險業投資促參案部分，其實去年最大的案源是高雄市的AI焚化爐，大概有165億元。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:21:59.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:22:01.232000+08:00","text":"最大案源165億元？對。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張司長素珍","start":"2026-03-25T12:22:01.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:22:10.096000+08:00","text":"另外還有一件是新竹縣一處物流中心，有125億元，這兩個案源加起來大概是290億元左右，這是114年。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:22:10.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:22:23.422000+08:00","text":"保險業的資金有十幾兆，結果最大案源只有一百多億，那怎麼讓保險業留在臺灣投資、促進臺灣的公共建設呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:22:24.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:22:31.248000+08:00","text":"我覺得針對這個部分，財政部以及相關部會要做進一步研討。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:22:31.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:22:56.828000+08:00","text":"沒有有效的計畫就沒有辦法把資金留在臺灣，尤其現在在中東地區資金曝險部位這麼高的情況下，沒能有效利用這次機會把資金引回臺灣的話……也就是說，沒有提供足夠案源，就沒有辦法把資金引回臺灣，好不好？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-03-25T12:22:57.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:22:58.808000+08:00","text":"召委已經站起來了。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-25T12:22:59.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:22:59.769000+08:00","text":"兆元投資當然在積極推動當中。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:22:59.769000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:23:00.769000+08:00","text":"謝謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:22:59.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:23:01.469000+08:00","text":"本席再次請財政部注意用詞，沒有「超徵」這兩個字，而是「實收數超過預算數」，謝謝。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:23:01.969000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:23:06.826143+08:00","text":"蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員，蘇清泉委員不在。","quality":0.118},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:23:07.126143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:23:12.269000+08:00","text":"請邱志偉委員、邱志偉委員，邱志偉委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:23:12.569000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:23:14.854714+08:00","text":"請陳玉珍委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}