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朝這個方向在研議什麼時候會有一個因為就正在發生的事情可以講因為涉及到人事總署所以我們沒有人事總署我也跟人事總講了我跟考試委員講了然後每個人都在研議每次問都是在研議再問就是在研議但是什麼時候會研議出來我們有去找他們沒有一個月我是跟他們說一個月我跟他們講跟他們講是除了老師之外你為什麼特別來教育委員會講"},{"start":584.902,"end":604.177,"text":"其實我認為說公教人員退休再就業不應該有新的上限因為第一個他是憑自己的勞力嘛你又不是免費給他你又不是說你不用做事我給你多一點不是他是憑自己的勞力去工作嘛第二件事情當時訂這個上限年改之前啊年改之後他們的退休金也被砍了啊那被砍之後為什麼上限沒有"},{"start":604.597,"end":623.453,"text":"沒有提高他如果在私立是沒有這個問題啦主要就是說他代表公立私立沒有但是只要有公費資助或公費計畫資助都會嘛那我現在講是公立學校老師的問題嘛這個很嚴重因為這個一個月內啦好不好然後再一個齁很快講一下那個上一次我有問"},{"start":625.35,"end":652.711,"text":"不知道市長還是署長我忘記了講到那個行政獎金因為國中小行政獎金有發下去嘛那當時公幼因為比較晚宣布所以公幼有一些意見我們那時候還反映後來署長是有講說那個公幼的教師的工作獎金也會有了嘛對吧署長是這樣沒錯吧那教保員沒有嗎因為現在很多幼兒園裡面是教保員在兼園長兼主任兼組長都有啊那教保員的部分還會有嗎"},{"start":655.198,"end":672.165,"text":"委員這邊提到的一個是像導師費的那個教保費處理了像行政工作者的那一個他會涉及到辦法我們會後把那個辦法我們現在研議的情形在會後大概三點以前跟委員報告涉及到辦法辦法就你定的啊我就講說教保員因為"},{"start":674.446,"end":700.846,"text":"同樣都是行政工作你今天比如說要負責學校行政工作要顯評鑑然後保護幼兒的安全或者是做這些東西他不會因為他是教師或者是教保員有所區別的工作內容是一樣的嘛但是現行情況之下幼兒園的教師有工作獎金教保員卻沒有做的一樣的事情但是有的有 有的沒有就怪嘛那你現在講的是有辦法在演繹當中所以會朝會給教保員的方向是不是"},{"start":701.446,"end":730.492,"text":"這個方向這可能我這個時間因為這個涉及到所有地方政府的裁員不能夠中央請客然後地方又要出錢所以這個的確在演用你講得非常好所以就是中央請客中央買單就大家都高興所以是不是可以朝所以你現在是怎樣因為裁員關係沒有要做是不是沒有講模擬兩可也不一定所以我剛才跟委員報告的是說你不用再收尾我們把比較確定的情況給我們一點時間寫一個文字給委員三點以前給您"},{"start":730.612,"end":744.16,"text":"好不好但是不要給我給我是說我不做啊那不是沒有意義啊要朝做的方向嗎你覺得合不合理嗎就同樣是在做一樣的工作那教師有工作獎金但教保員沒有你覺得合理嗎蘇冠你覺得合理嗎蘇冠你覺得合不合理啊"},{"start":748.798,"end":775.096,"text":"會朝這個方向你覺得合不合理嘛因為那個圓的規模不一樣圓跟效的規模不一樣那這個沒有沒有不要跳不要不要繞圈圈我是說同樣的工作教師有工作獎金教保員沒有你覺得合不合理次長覺得合理嗎當然如果按照這樣講是不合理對啊好不好那就趕快好不好把教保員大家要同工同就做一樣事情也應該要給工作獎金啦好謝謝"},{"start":776.383,"end":780.211,"text":"好 謝謝葉元之委員的質詢那我想他剛剛所關切的這個"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}