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那我們也希望立法院這邊能夠協商當然我們希望說朝野能夠趕快針對這個兒家屬的部分這個組織法趕快協商讓這個兒家屬能夠順利掛牌"},{"start":220.269,"end":234.416,"text":"跟委員說明我們也有在這個會期當中去拜訪了相關的委員那希望您去這個差異的部分讓他有一個共識所以目前有共識嗎有有有都拜訪差不多了"},{"start":235.316,"end":261.026,"text":"好那我們就期待因為四月份就兒童節快到了那原本我們也希望就是說這個兒家屬是不是這個我們最大的一個兒童節禮物那我不知道是不是來得及我看是可能應該也是來不及那當然就是說我們希望能夠在今年能夠順利掛牌這個是我們期待的好那接下來部長我想請教就是說我們這個凱凱案"},{"start":263.007,"end":274.879,"text":"之前大家都非常的關心嘛那當時針對家內或家外的這個兒女案件的這個責任分工就是不是那麼的明確那未來就是說這個兩年過去了那未來我們有這樣的一個兒家屬"},{"start":281.405,"end":303.293,"text":"未來避免這樣的一個狀況產生我不知道說在兒家屬成立之後那我們是不是有把這個權責能夠分得更清楚家內或家外的這個權責分得更清楚才不會造成就是說有類似的這樣的一個案件延誤這個推為責任那到最後是沒有人負責的這種狀況產生"},{"start":305.234,"end":319.325,"text":"所以部長我想請教一下就是未來針對這一種的這一種家內或家外的這種案件的這個責任分工那是不是可以在我們未來的這個兒家屬裡面能夠釐清的更清楚"},{"start":325.353,"end":352.168,"text":"你先休息一下我知道那個咳嗽是很難過的上次也是這樣跟委員報告在開開安的事件之後我們把整個收出養跟要被出養的兒童如果要被安置的話我們把這兩塊做了比較明顯的區隔所以未來如果要出養的兒童在等待出養期間要被安置他是要經由縣市政府來主導去做安置的動作"},{"start":352.748,"end":376.567,"text":"所以這個小朋友被安置的時候那縣市政府就可以更明確更直接的對於安置的地點跟安置過程中的安全可以能夠有更明確的監督的部分那這塊在這次事件發生之後我們在整個制度已經做了一個相關的調整好我們也期待就是說未來兒家屬成立之後對於整個這個溝通"},{"start":379.77,"end":398.644,"text":"對地方政府的溝通或對其他部會的溝通能夠更順暢接下來部長我再請教我們現在司法少年的部分司法少年通常法院裁定少年接受安置輔導處分本來應該是在機構裡面接受"},{"start":404.187,"end":420.516,"text":"這個陪伴 或者是重建那其實在現實上面其實我們現在這樣的一個機構其實越來越少願意承接的這樣的一個安置機構其實是越來越少那我想請教就是說針對這一部分"},{"start":421.896,"end":446.716,"text":"司法院認為這個應該是屬於衛福部主管那衛福部又認為說這個主責應該是在法院或者是保護官那地方政府又同時這個身兼委託者或管理者那我想請教就是說未來類似這樣的一個司法少年那部長在你們的這個業務裡面就是我們其實會碰到可能"},{"start":448.077,"end":460.986,"text":"幾個單位互相覺得這個不是我的責任就互相推諉那未來的話我們針對這部分就是說你們跟司法院或跟地方政府的這個責任的這個釐清是不是更清楚"},{"start":462.034,"end":477.723,"text":"跟委員說明我們之前在那個林正偉林秘辛正偉的這個協調之下我們也有跟法務部大家溝通司法院這些都有溝通未來就是對於這些司法少年的安置的問題"},{"start":479.66,"end":496.234,"text":"因為過去當然是比較少是專責都是混合型的那但是當然這個收養的這個安置的單位當然會反映到有時候對他的那個這個整個"},{"start":500.798,"end":520.39,"text":"機構內的這個照顧的部分會比較辛苦啦所以人力上會比較辛苦就是說其實他的照顧成本也高那人力不足啦所以我不知道說你們未來怎麼跟就是說跟司法院或跟地方政府應該這個溝通上面"},{"start":524.932,"end":545.601,"text":"責任能夠更清楚明確可以找出一個解決的方式要不然我覺得說一旦有類似這樣的一個狀況可能各個單位就互相覺得說這個不是我的責任我希望說部長針對這部分我們能夠更清楚的去釐清未來類似這樣的狀況是誰要來主責"},{"start":548.995,"end":565.883,"text":"我們會主動來找這個剛剛講的司法院法務部來討論看怎麼把這個部分再做得更好一點好那接下來我想請教部長就是說我們也希望就是說類似就是有全國兒少的這個問題兒少的這個個案這個追蹤的這個系統"},{"start":571.125,"end":579.65,"text":"那其實以前可能整個資訊不是那個可能我們衛福部跟地方政府的資訊不是那麼的流通資訊可能沒有那麼互相的資源那未來這個兒家署成立之後"},{"start":589.356,"end":602.766,"text":"那我想請教就是說針對這個兒少的個案追蹤系統那是不是會更明確那中央跟地方的這個責任跟我們的系統是不是可以互通好互通"},{"start":604.933,"end":630.692,"text":"跟委員說明我們現在兒少保護的系統就是一個系統是所以地方也是那不會因為他居住的這個戶籍不同然後會有其他的這樣的一個就是你要追蹤然後可能到他已經搬到其他的縣市那你就追蹤不到的這種狀況會不會有這樣的狀況系統上是在同一個系統只是查詢的部分他可以去查他跨縣市的"},{"start":631.232,"end":651.517,"text":"跨縣市 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