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整個合法有5600多家"},{"start":322.023,"end":343.402,"text":"你核定六千名等於一加不到一名我們了解這個名額本來就不夠然後還會有名額要流出就代表我們的景氣可能有一些影響但是目前業界滿意給我的他們要申請還是沒有這樣的額度有沒有機會跟老總部增加名額"},{"start":344.483,"end":364.767,"text":"我們一起我們來討論好不好這個部分產業真的需要我在這邊請經濟部常法署我們要幫我們這些特等工廠好不容易發展那麼多成本能夠完成合法的生機在勞動力缺錢的部分我們全力來協調勞動部給他們補足好不好好謝謝部長謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:55:18.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:55:34.887000+08:00","text":"主席好，是不是可以請龔部長？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T12:55:34.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:55:35.167000+08:00","text":"請龔部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:55:42.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:55:43.104000+08:00","text":"龔部長，午安。午安。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:55:44.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:55:44.345000+08:00","text":"辛苦了。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:55:45.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:56:03.969000+08:00","text":"我從經濟部的業務報告看到其中一個重點，就是因應極端氣候、穩定水資源供應，目標包括開源節流、調度備援、管理等等。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:56:05.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:56:18.956000+08:00","text":"我們也看到今年從二月到現在的極端氣候，降雨量不足，尤其是中南部，新竹以南嚴重缺水。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:56:20.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:57:20.253000+08:00","text":"水由經濟部水利署管理，但我們已經很清楚地看到，我也感受到、接收到農民的憂慮跟抗議，經濟部為了搶水，導致農民從事農業種植需要的灌溉用水全部被經濟部搶光了，重點只顧產業、工業用水、民生用水，把農業、農民最弱勢的這一塊全部予以忽略，所以我要在這邊向經濟部提出最強烈的抗議，我代替、代表農民向經濟部抗議！","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:57:23.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:57:35.943000+08:00","text":"我要跟部長講，農民不是弱勢，雖然他是弱勢，但是對他們來講，農業灌溉用水非常重要。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:57:36.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:02.401000+08:00","text":"我舉一個例子，大安溪的伏流水本來就是提供農業的灌溉用水，結果經濟部把伏流水全部抽到鯉魚潭的給水廠，讓農民沒有水灌溉，這樣的例子讓我們感受到經濟部的獨大。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:04.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:10.465000+08:00","text":"是不是可以請經濟部跟農業部做一點協調？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:10.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:13.527000+08:00","text":"部長，你的看法怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:13.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:15.688000+08:00","text":"這部分我們一直都在跟農業部協調……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:16.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:20.330000+08:00","text":"但是似乎農業部比較小、你們比較大？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:21.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:29.474000+08:00","text":"因為農業部的農民都是弱勢，你管的都是產業、工業，好像比較重要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:30.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:33.758000+08:00","text":"不是，比如說現在水情比較緊張的當然就是新竹啦！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:34.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:34.639000+08:00","text":"那麼新竹基本上……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:34.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:35.840000+08:00","text":"臺中也一樣啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:36.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:37.682000+08:00","text":"新竹部分，比如說……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:38.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:40.825000+08:00","text":"新竹有竹科要用水，臺中也一樣啊！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:42.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:48.152000+08:00","text":"臺中中科也是你們的重點，但是農業、農民就被犧牲了啊！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:48.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:49.153000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:49.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:50.153000+08:00","text":"在他們水稻播種以後，水就……","quality":0.182},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:50.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:51.153000+08:00","text":"就是水稻播種以後沒水，你知道啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:49.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:58:58.861000+08:00","text":"是在他們不需要用水的時期稍微調度一下啦！","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:58:59.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:59:00.603000+08:00","text":"這個調度一定要跟農業部好好溝通，好不好？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:59:00.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:59:00.763000+08:00","text":"而且我們都有補償。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:59:00.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:59:00.883000+08:00","text":"補償不是唯一的辦法嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:59:01.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:59:01.243000+08:00","text":"這個補償是比他種植還要好的補償。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:59:01.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:59:02.604000+08:00","text":"第一，我在這裡幫農民要水，經濟部要跟農業部農水署好好協調。好。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:59:02.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T12:59:58.155000+08:00","text":"第二，我要請教部長，經濟部產發署跟勞動部協調特登工廠，跟勞動部協調好以後，有6,000名移工，也就是外籍勞動力可以提供給特登工廠使用，那目前這6,000名外國的境外勞動力的使用情況怎麼樣？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T12:59:58.155000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T12:59:59.275000+08:00","text":"說明一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"雲參事兼主任瑞龍","start":"2026-03-25T12:59:59.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:00:09.622000+08:00","text":"報告委員，那6,000個名額我們分別在113年跟114年公告，已經把名額用完了……","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T13:00:10.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:00:12.764000+08:00","text":"名額用完了，有沒有實際聘用？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"雲參事兼主任瑞龍","start":"2026-03-25T13:00:15.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:00:25.313000+08:00","text":"委員現在關切的這個問題，我們目前也有在處理，我們目前在處理的是回流的部分，對於業者沒有使用，我們會把這個名額再把它滾回來，再次來做一些公告。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T13:00:26.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:01:01.402000+08:00","text":"對於這六千個名額，從你們的資料來看，現在已經取得特登工廠登記的廠家，整個合法的就有五千六百多家，你核定六千名，等於一家不到一名，我們了解這個名額本來就不夠，然後還會有名額要流出，就代表我們的景氣可能有一些影響，但目前業界回應給我們的，就是他們要申請還是沒有這樣的額度，有沒有機會跟勞動部一起討論增加名額？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T13:01:01.402000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:01:03.483000+08:00","text":"有沒有機會？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-25T13:01:03.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:01:04.243000+08:00","text":"好的，我們來討論。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T13:01:07.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:01:22.327000+08:00","text":"產業真的需要這個部分，我在這邊請經濟部、產發署幫助我們這些特登工廠，他們好不容易花了那麼多成本完成合法的登記，在勞動力欠缺的部分，我們全力來協調勞動部給他們補助。好的。","quality":0.779},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-03-25T13:01:22.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-25T13:01:22.767000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:01:23.267000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:01:25.267000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳清龍委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:01:25.567000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:01:42.709857+08:00","text":"我想請經濟部再跟勞動部協調特登工廠的部分；第二個就是經濟部跟農業部在農民用水的部分，我們再找時間跟陳清龍或中部地區委員去視察。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-25T13:01:43.009857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-25T13:01:46.724143+08:00","text":"接下來請王鴻薇委員發言。謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}