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已經被封起來了那這個刑事警察局直接認定這是一家詐騙所以這家公司到底有沒有來跟公平會申請報備那當時你們的審核標準是什麼"},{"start":495.697,"end":520.195,"text":"他們113年的時候有報備那這家公司目前已經申請要停止營業已經有跟我們來報備來跟你們申請停止營業對但是對於這個假傳銷珍稀金的這個狀態公平會的掌握程度到哪裡我們曾經有因為他並跟商品沒有來報備我們處分過他在個案當中那目前還在調查就是說他有沒有該因報備而不報備的一個情況"},{"start":521.036,"end":545.509,"text":"所以這個案子還在調查當中所以主委這個也是我們一直在講傳銷直銷公司就是每一個都是用報備制其實我們沒有辦法進行實質的審查對於很多的消費大眾來講或者是很多的投資人來講你很容易就陷入這種假傳銷徵稀金然後被詐騙現在這個初估這一家公司的詐騙金額高達台幣15億元以上"},{"start":550.692,"end":577.265,"text":"這是一個非常非常嚴重的問題像這樣子一直不斷的幾乎每一次我們只要跟公平會談都會有一家新的直銷公司出狀況甚至甚或是不只一家那這些狀態公平會也只能用報備的方式去處理這個也是我們覺得很憂心的其實有心人要詐騙的話就會鑽這個直銷的漏洞這個也是我們在法令上應該要趕快去補足的地方"},{"start":578.175,"end":604.962,"text":"我想詐騙的部分當然我也很清楚就是由法務部這邊來處理詐騙當然是法務部處理我現在講就是說這些傳銷公司這個報備許可制這個裡面有一些因素必須要同時考慮因為傳銷也是一個商業行為所以到底許可報備等等之間的糾葛本會議在過去也表達過我們的立場就是說對於這個傳銷事業本身也是零售事業的一部分是不是有適合高強度的介入管制我覺得這還有必要進一步去"},{"start":605.302,"end":625.217,"text":"不過你如果發現這樣的一個詐騙行為詐騙案件或詐騙公司一直不斷的在上升的時候其實公平會就不應該這麼相悅也不應該這麼消極這是本席的建議好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝邱映委員謝謝公平會主委好那因為在場人數已足"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:09:45+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T09:09:46+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我請一下代理主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T09:09:46+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T09:09:47+08:00","text":"請代理主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:09:47+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T09:09:48+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:09:48+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T09:09:49+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:09:45.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:09:55.360000+08:00","text":"主委，我想請教一下，你可以想像現在塑膠袋缺貨嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:10:12.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:10:13.434000+08:00","text":"我從新聞上大概都知道，有看到這樣的報導。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:10:13.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:10:15.855000+08:00","text":"你有看到這個新聞？對。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:10:15.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:10:26.061000+08:00","text":"大家講說因為中東情勢的影響，所以很多的原物料短缺或者是很多的原物料價格上漲，石化的原物料價格也上漲。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:10:26.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:10:53.988000+08:00","text":"昨天蔡易餘委員、陳素月委員等有召開一個記者會，也曾經在本委員會的場合問過了經濟部，就是現在市面上塑膠袋跟便當盒等這種一次性的包材在末端是買不到的，甚或在農業上面，很多農民的農作物需要套袋，這些塑膠袋也是買不到的。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:10:55.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:11:08.075000+08:00","text":"經濟部去查了一下，表示其實原物料並沒有短缺，但是中盤的經銷商延遲出貨、操作價格的情形已經出現。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:11:08.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:11:15.238000+08:00","text":"主委，您說有看到這個新聞，請問一下，看到新聞之後，您的後續動作是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:11:15.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:11:16.238000+08:00","text":"就公平會來講，會不會主動出擊、主動去調查？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:11:20.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:11:35.620000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告一下，這些新聞出來以後，我們也看到經濟部已經開始進行全面性的市場盤查，當然，本會在知道這個消息以後，業務單位也針對塑膠袋產業不同的品質、塑膠袋價格等等進行初步的了解。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:11:36.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:11:51.312000+08:00","text":"目前公平會的立場對物價的波動主要是以聯合行為為主，就是同業之間是不是有聯合漲價的情形，我們有密切在觀察，業務單位已經持續在進行市場的了解，我們也會配合經濟部的調查結果，如果有聯合哄抬的情況……","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:11:52.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:12:11.230000+08:00","text":"我想現在還沒有到聯合漲價的狀況，現在大概是聯合延遲出貨、囤貨，造成市場上對於塑膠袋的需求短缺、恐慌，慢慢地就會哄抬價格，價格就會漲上去了，所以這個是有節奏性的。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:12:11.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:12:40.868000+08:00","text":"當然，他們不會一次到聯合漲價，但是如果公平會要等到聯合漲價的時候才來做稽查、才來做調查的話，我覺得動作都太慢了，所以我們每一次在這裡都會一直不斷地請公平會應該更積極主動一點，你們已經發現這個問題，在源頭已經出來了，經濟部已經注意到了，所以是不是公平會也應該更積極主動一點，到底是不是囤貨、壟斷造成延遲性出貨，然後慢慢地去哄抬價格？","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:12:41.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:12:45.772000+08:00","text":"你們如果能夠在前端的時候就先遏止的話，就不會有後面哄抬價格跟漲價的情況出現。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:12:45.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:12:46.473000+08:00","text":"我剛剛跟委員報告，業務單位會繼續觀察。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:12:46.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:12:57.761000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員談到聯合囤積，這也是聯合行為，所以只要有事證的話，我們會介入調查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:12:57.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:13:00.283000+08:00","text":"所以我希望公平會是不是能夠就主動地去調查，好不好？","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:13:00.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:13:02.104000+08:00","text":"是，我們會主動調查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:13:03.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:13:20.976000+08:00","text":"第二個，我想請教一下，主委應該也常常會關心時事的進展，外送平臺的併購案最近有一個很大的新聞，就是Grab去收購foodpanda。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:13:23.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:13:43.740000+08:00","text":"您的報告裡頭也提到，我們去年在討論Uber Eats要去併購foodpanda的案子，引起了臺灣社會大眾很大的關心，如果Uber Eats跟foodpanda這兩家結合之後，在臺灣的市占率高達九成以上，當然，公平會已經禁止他們了。","quality":0.689},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:13:44.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:14:06.121000+08:00","text":"但是最近Grab，Grab在臺灣沒有任何的業務執行，但它在東南亞其實是一個super app，包含食、衣、住、行等等，在東南亞的影響力非常大，Grab去併購、收購foodpanda，我們擔心的是它是不是有繞道的行為？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:14:08.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:14:28.990000+08:00","text":"其實Uber是Grab的重要股東，Uber占的股份大概是13%，我想你們應該有密切掌握，而Uber的執行長也是Grab的董事，所以就這樣的結合情形、結合案，到底公平會是怎麼看？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:14:30.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:14:38.388000+08:00","text":"這個案子目前還沒有送件，不過我想等案子進來以後，我們還是會依照過去在審Uber Eats跟foodpanda案的分析架構進行分析。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:14:39.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:14:53.979000+08:00","text":"當然，這個案子跟前面那個案子有點不太一樣，因為前面的案子是結合以後，市占率會高達九成，但這個案子基本上是一個企業來頂foodpanda的地位，不過剛剛委員提到繞道的問題、股權持有的問題，這也是我們在分析當中會特別注意的。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:14:54.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:15:21.410000+08:00","text":"先跟委員說明一下，雖然Uber Eats持有Grab 13.5%的股份，但是據我們進一步的了解，從財報去看，其實股權結構有不同的類型，有A股、B股，所以實際上它的控制權可能沒有達到13%，不過我們還是會繼續注意13%這件事實，會不會導致他們在結合以後進行市場行為濫用的可能性，這些都是我們在分析當中會特別去注意的。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:15:21.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:15:23.572000+08:00","text":"所以你們現在也已經開始在蒐集資料？有。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:15:24.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:15:49.990000+08:00","text":"我想對於公平會來講，大概也不是形式上比如不是用Uber Eats的名字來併購foodpanda，而是換了一個名字叫Grab、換了一家公司，實際在股權的掌握上面或者整個公司的實質影響力上面，對於foodpanda的公司運作是不是會造成巨大的影響？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:15:49.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:15:53.711000+08:00","text":"會不會也造成間接的壟斷行為？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:15:53.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:15:56.271000+08:00","text":"我想這些也都是公平會應該要考量的重點。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:15:56.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:15:57.372000+08:00","text":"我們後續在分析的部分會納入。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:15:57.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:16:36.614000+08:00","text":"甚至我想也要再跟您討論我們的外送平臺專法即將要上路，以公平會的角色來講，在外送專法上路的同時，當然，這個跟公平會沒有太大的連結，公平會大概還是以防止壟斷為主，不過這樣的併購案如果真的是一個繞道的併購案的話，我想對於外送專法的上路、對於外送員的保障還是會有相當大的影響，主委，您有什麼看法？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:16:37.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:16:47.908000+08:00","text":"我想外送專法的實施如果導致平臺把成本轉嫁給下游，彼此之間出現了暗默勾結、聯合漲價的行為，我們還是有空間可以去介入。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:16:48.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:16:54.516000+08:00","text":"主要就是在外送專法實施以後，後續所引發的競爭行為如果牴觸公平法，我們還是有介入的空間。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:16:55.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:00.101000+08:00","text":"好，我想還是要請公平會要密切注意。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:17:01.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:05.306000+08:00","text":"第三題要跟您請教的是，主委，您知道媚麗世界這家公司嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:17:05.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:05.566000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:17:06.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:07.988000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有開始在介入調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:17:08.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:09.089000+08:00","text":"這個有調查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:17:10.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:12.332000+08:00","text":"現在的調查狀況是什麼？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:17:12.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:28.104000+08:00","text":"這家媚麗公司還真的很厲害，它的魚油120顆就要賣600塊美金，我算了一下，如果用美元的匯率，乘以30的話，120顆要賣1萬8,000塊臺幣，等於一顆魚油要賣150塊，而且它沒有健康食品字號。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:17:39.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:51.827000+08:00","text":"我們昨天試圖要進入這家公司的網站，但這個網站已經被封起來了，刑事警察局直接認定這是一家詐騙公司。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:17:53.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:56.069000+08:00","text":"這家公司到底有沒有跟公平會申請報備？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:17:56.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:17:57.170000+08:00","text":"當時你們的審核標準是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:18:00.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:18:08.423000+08:00","text":"他們113年的時候有報備，這家公司目前已經申請要停止營業，已經有跟我們來報備……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:18:08.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:18:10.204000+08:00","text":"來跟你們申請停止營業？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:18:10.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:18:15.908000+08:00","text":"但是對於假傳銷、真吸金的狀態，公平會的掌握程度到哪裡？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:18:15.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:18:27.177000+08:00","text":"在個案當中，我們曾經因為它變更商品沒有來報備而處分過它，目前還在調查的就是它有沒有該應報備而不報備的情況，所以這個案子還在調查當中。","quality":0.79},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:18:27.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:18:47.388000+08:00","text":"主委，這個也是我們一直在講的，傳銷、直銷公司每一個都是用報備制，我們沒有辦法進行實質的審查，對於很多的消費大眾或者很多的投資人來講，很容易就陷入這種假傳銷、真吸金，然後被詐騙。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:18:47.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:19:22.245000+08:00","text":"現在粗估這家公司的詐騙金額高達臺幣15億元以上，這是一個非常非常嚴重的問題，像這樣子一直不斷地……幾乎每次我們只要跟公平會談，都會有一家新的直銷公司出狀況，甚或是不只一家，對於這些狀態，公平會也只能用報備的方式去處理，這個也是我們覺得很憂心的，有心人要詐騙的話，就會鑽這個直銷的漏洞，這個也是我們在法令上應該要趕快去補足的地方。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:19:23.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:19:26.556000+08:00","text":"我想詐騙的部分，當然委員很清楚，就是由法務部這邊來處理，報備……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:19:26.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:19:30.017000+08:00","text":"詐騙當然是法務部處理，我現在講的就是這些傳銷公司……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:19:31.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:19:49.942000+08:00","text":"報備許可制裡面有一些因素必須要同時考慮，因為傳銷也是一個商業行為，所以到底許可、報備等等之間的糾葛如何，本會過去也表達過我們的立場，就是傳銷事業本身也是零售事業的一部分，是不是適合高強度的介入管制，我覺得這個還有必要進一步去……","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-03-26T09:19:50.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:20:01.290000+08:00","text":"不過如果發現這樣的詐騙行為、詐騙案件或詐騙公司一直不斷地在上升的時候，其實公平會就不應該這麼鄉愿，也不應該這麼消極，這是本席的建議。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T09:20:02.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:20:02.331000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T09:20:03.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T09:20:05.813000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱議瑩委員、謝謝公平會主委。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T09:20:06.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T09:20:13.170143+08:00","text":"在場人數已足3人，請問各位同仁，上次會議議事錄有無錯誤？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T09:20:13.470143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T09:20:16.041571+08:00","text":"（無）無錯誤，議事錄確定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T09:20:16.341571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T09:20:20.341571+08:00","text":"現在請楊瓊瓔委員進行質詢，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}