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謝謝岳文之委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:19:54.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:19:54.469000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:19:54.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:19:57.090000+08:00","text":"麻煩請代理主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T11:19:57.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:19:57.510000+08:00","text":"請主委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:19:57.510000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:20:21.175000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:20:21.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:20:21.735000+08:00","text":"代理主委，您好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:20:22.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:20:48.838000+08:00","text":"現在主要是因為油價在漲，大家真的都很關心物價，希望公平會可以更積極一點去針對現在一些漲價的物品去調查，就不要等到好像事情發生，有人檢舉之後來才去處理，可能也來不及了，因為現在油價上漲是非常快速的，所以可能伴隨著物價也會很快速的上漲，千萬不要等到有事證了，然後再摸個好幾天，那來不及。是。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:20:50.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:21:19.414000+08:00","text":"我昨天是有看到針對塑膠袋的部分，因為塑膠袋漲價或者是買不到的部分，經濟部講話也是變來變去，經濟部一開始是講說不太會有這個問題，因為他已經要求國內石化大廠儘量不要出口，要針對國內，所以供應無虞，但後來又講說一些中盤商可能會有囤貨的心理狀態，所以導致於市場上買不到，甚至於價錢提高。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:21:20.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:21:35.438000+08:00","text":"我是有看到經濟部產發署有講說，正在跟公平會針對幾個中盤商、百貨公司、量販店去了解是不是真的缺貨，並隨時監測。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:21:35.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:21:39.819000+08:00","text":"目前經濟部跟公平會，你們的做法是怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:21:40.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:21:57.666000+08:00","text":"我們跟經濟部之間有密切的配合，我們調查重點就在於這種假設不供貨，是不是出自於業者彼此之間共同的抵制、共同的杯葛，如果有這種合意存在的話，這就是公平法所謂的聯合行為，我們就會立案調查。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:21:58.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:21:59.947000+08:00","text":"現在調查狀況怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:21:59.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:00.688000+08:00","text":"都沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:00.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:01.288000+08:00","text":"有沒有合意？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:02.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:05.531000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有查到這樣的事證，不過我們還在持續地調查。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:05.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:08.833000+08:00","text":"你們已經查了多少中盤商、百貨公司跟量販店？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:10.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:11.755000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有開始啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:11.755000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:12.996000+08:00","text":"還沒開始？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:12.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:15.238000+08:00","text":"對，但是這是我們會查處的目標，這是相關的產業鏈。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:16.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:17.979000+08:00","text":"預計什麼時候開始？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:18.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:28.567000+08:00","text":"我想是不是因為經濟部昨天在這邊被大家問，就隨口講說已經跟公平會、跟警察局針對中盤商、百貨公司、量販店做調查，了解有沒有囤貨。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:28.567000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:29.567000+08:00","text":"我們會針對……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:29.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:32.229000+08:00","text":"但我今天問公平會，公平會說還沒開始，那預計什麼時候開始？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:32.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:48.375000+08:00","text":"這幾天小老百姓在買塑膠袋的時候都買不到，我們去麵包店買麵包，麵包店老闆有的說不提供塑膠袋、有的塑膠袋要算錢的，民眾想說為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:48.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:53.016000+08:00","text":"他說：以前買一袋30元的塑膠袋，現在盤商就要60塊。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:53.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:55.797000+08:00","text":"全部都漲，公平會有沒有去……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:55.797000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:22:56.797000+08:00","text":"我們現在了解……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:22:56.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:06.807000+08:00","text":"我知道你們的立場是，如果他們是個別漲，就不構成聯合壟斷嘛，但是如果有合意，每一家講好是不是一起來哄抬價格，可能就……","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:07.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:15.072000+08:00","text":"也不一定要講好，就是如果市場上有一些波動的情況足以懷疑是出於合意，我們還是可以推論他有合意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:15.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:17.013000+08:00","text":"是不是可以積極一點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:18.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:19.035000+08:00","text":"大家都在問這個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:19.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:20.616000+08:00","text":"我們有主動在觀察。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:20.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:26.900000+08:00","text":"主動……比如說，是不是幾天內可以針對這個部分跟社會大眾做一個公開報告？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:26.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:29.353000+08:00","text":"因為我們調查……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:29.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:32.555000+08:00","text":"主委，你現在回答的都比較空啦！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:32.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:37.018000+08:00","text":"都一直講說我們準備、我們要，但是到底有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:37.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:39.339000+08:00","text":"什麼時間啟動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:39.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:39.339000+08:00","text":"針對幾家？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:40.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:41.060000+08:00","text":"這些具體的部分好像都沒有……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:42.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:50.644000+08:00","text":"剛剛跟委員報告過，我們接下來就會積極地就產業鏈整個各個廠商去調查，我們預計差不多三個月內可以完成。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:51.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:23:52.305000+08:00","text":"三個月都不知道漲到哪裡去了啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:23:52.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:08.888000+08:00","text":"你要趕快，而且我建議，是不是可以建立一個資訊公開透明的機制，告訴大家現在塑膠袋比如說合理的價錢應該是多少，讓大家知道如果太貴的話可能有問題，但是三個月真的太久了。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:09.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:13.989000+08:00","text":"因為我們證據調查還要送委員會討論，所以這個時程上有時候比較難以掌握。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:15.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:17.019000+08:00","text":"好，儘快啦，好不好？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:17.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:17.259000+08:00","text":"謝謝，我們儘量、儘量。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:18.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:32.809000+08:00","text":"我請教一下，之前紐西蘭鮮奶因為零關稅，但價格居高不下，後來好像在幾個月前公平會有去調查，價格有下來，目前紐西蘭鮮奶的最新進度，你們還有再持續追查嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:33.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:37.456000+08:00","text":"我目前根據上一次的調查結果是並沒有違反公平法的規定。沒有？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:38.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:44.806000+08:00","text":"對，因為國內鮮奶市場有競爭，然後紐西蘭市占率也不高，所以我們後來調查結果是沒有違反公平法。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:44.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:45.506000+08:00","text":"沒有違反公平法？對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:46.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:46.368000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:46.868000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:50.296571+08:00","text":"謝謝葉元之委員的質詢，謝謝。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T11:24:50.596571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T11:24:54.310857+08:00","text":"接下來我們請邱志偉召委質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}