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然後這裡面這是第一個回答第二個回答就剛剛委員剛剛所說的我們也估了這原料成本佔比大概25%那這裡面必須要但是我們認為最重要應該要從原料供應端這個是我們的整個策略"},{"start":202.842,"end":221.276,"text":"這樣的話用這種方式的話就等於從最上游那邊就可以來處理那這裡面所需要會有需要一些費用確實第三點就是剛剛委員剛剛說也非常感謝大院的一個支持有一個我們就是去年通過因應國際形勢強化經濟社會以民生兩百億的對那我們就從這邊用這筆錢來做為這一筆所以三個回答"},{"start":226.019,"end":243.056,"text":"昨天其實我也有問經濟部長我的具體的建議因為現在是非常時期所以我建議在上游廠商的部分應該採取非常的手段比如暫時性的在上游廠商這些材料的部分就是不要出口"},{"start":243.977,"end":245.959,"text":"那但是經營部長沒有答應我他說現在用勸導的方式可是我覺得應該是優先國內的廠商那因為別說衛福部比較擔心的就是這個醫材的部分對但是我剛剛講還有其他各產業他們都有一些塑膠製品"},{"start":262.711,"end":279.698,"text":"甚至一般的市場的這個小攤商或麵包商說我的塑膠袋都買不到或塑膠袋很貴一個禮拜漲一次等等之類所以大家都在搶貨可能政府某一個程度他要做一些非常的措施第二個就是我認為我們經濟部跟衛福部要聯手"},{"start":283.519,"end":310.686,"text":"要調查相關的庫存我剛才特別講你不可能說23號告訴你說啊都有庫存通通沒有缺貨到26號就要召開緊急會議那這三天在做什麼我覺得這一點這個院眼前的這個必須解決所以我也建議經濟部長說他要有這個魄力一週內塑膠袋滋亂全部平息沒有這些讓大家有哄抬的機會好那另外就是先時間暫停一下我請我們的"},{"start":313.028,"end":313.952,"text":"那洪生翰部長"},{"start":321.158,"end":342.034,"text":"好 部長還有次長我們一起請教一下那其實我自己都有宣示過凡是能夠解決少子化的政策我一律都非常支持那我想請問一下我們在台北市有一個育兒減少工時計畫那就是你可以減食但是不減薪"},{"start":343.235,"end":356.331,"text":"至少到目前為止我所知道他們已經有200多家的企業去申請而且就是整個的回應的效果是非常好那我想請問一下我們中央有沒有可能考慮跟進"},{"start":358.715,"end":387.855,"text":"跟委員說其實我們關於一些職場彈性化的做法其實我們其實也有蠻多的眼裡比方說現在以日來請暈留庭的做法其實的確成效是非常好的然後在這個成效下其實我們也在思考接下來如何在這個職場的彈性讓大家可以兼顧家庭跟兼顧工作之間然後有更多的擴大的使用我們目前其實也在做相關的工作"},{"start":388.175,"end":406.664,"text":"因為剛才有討論到12歲以下可以僱請這個外籍的看護但是事實上不是看護我知道就是幫傭外籍幫傭但是呢其實如果按照我們當時80歲以上免巴士兩表因為當時你們說有10萬名這個不得了啦會衝擊啊等等之類但是事實上市場並沒有像你們所講的這麼大的需求"},{"start":416.568,"end":439.253,"text":"也就是其實這些成本造成其實並不是所有的家庭都可以不管是老的或小的他都可以去申請一個外籍的幫傭所以我才特別去講到就是說在這個怎麼樣比如說你是一個彈性的工時的時間台北市的這樣的一個做法可不可以讓"},{"start":440.713,"end":459.997,"text":"這個中央也來做一個考慮因為並不是所有的人所有的家庭他都可以去申請因為其實算下來每個月大概都是要這個三四萬的一個成本另外我在這邊因為我看到我們的主席站起來我最後一個"},{"start":462.318,"end":465.78,"text":"這個建議因為呢現在有提出來就是要把這個外籍的這個移工也納入這個就是勞保費那我覺得必須去考慮到我們一般的家庭到底能不能負擔我們的雇主能不能負擔像今年我們的健保就是我們的健保費的這個費率提高其實就已經造成很多的雇主他的支出就已經提高了"},{"start":490.234,"end":513.86,"text":"所以我們在這裡必須要幫我們廣大的這些僱主來講他們的心聲就是如果這成本一直不停的跌高的話那麼這個成本會很高謝謝謝謝主席我簡單回應汪委員好不好我可以簡單回應第一件事情是我們其實現在也在研議其實對於很多這個家庭類的僱主希望有更多的支持的方案跟措施"},{"start":514.6,"end":538.559,"text":"這部分我們其實也跟衛福部其實我們也一直在其實我跟次長一直在做這個事情的討論就是希望能夠讓這些家庭的僱主包括尤其是他的會遇到一些空窗期能不能再進一步的縮短會有更多其他人力上面的支持這部分我們在研議中好還有這個成本上面不要再繼續疊加好不好謝謝好謝謝王宏威委員發言接下來請陳昭之委員發言"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:04:08.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:04:08.647000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:04:08.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:04:11.816000+08:00","text":"我先請衛福部次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:04:11.816000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:04:14.400500+08:00","text":"有請呂建德次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:04:14.400500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:04:16.985000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:04:16.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:04:16.985000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:04:18.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:04:30.037000+08:00","text":"這兩天其實大家非常緊張的是，中東戰爭造成了包含油價及天然氣的高漲。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:04:31.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:04:48.933000+08:00","text":"雖然我們政府採取了一些措施，但是現在市面上有所謂的塑膠袋之亂，當然因為塑膠用品用途實在太廣了，尤其也影響到我們醫療器材的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:04:50.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:05:59.535000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，3月23日食藥署對外的說法是沒有短缺，一切都很OK，而且業者都有庫存，可是到了3月26日，按照部長的說法，現在要準備不排除動用200億的特別預算，所以我想請問一下，在短短的這段時間，其實每一天都瞬息萬變，到目前為止，衛福部有沒有會同經濟部來做庫存調查、價錢調查，避免中盤商操作這些供需或者是價格，不要造成第一線消費市場的混亂，我想請問衛福部，現在有沒有跟經濟部來做共同防範或者產業調查？是。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"呂次長建德：非常感謝委員對這個問題的關心，我跟委員的回答","start":"2026-03-26T12:05:59.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:06:10.318000+08:00","text":"我們現在跟經濟部這邊有兩部的協商，我們等一下下午……其實部長現在就是趕往行政院跟經濟部那邊要處理這個問題……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:06:10.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:06:12.178000+08:00","text":"召開緊急會議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:06:12.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:06:16.219000+08:00","text":"反正就是我們現在都持續因應這個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:06:16.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:06:29.765000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告三個重點，第一個，委員剛剛所說的醫材部分，主要就您剛剛說的，塑膠包材跟塑膠粒，這會影響到譬如說輸液、洗腎液桶等等，或者塑膠醫療器材。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:06:31.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:06:45.473000+08:00","text":"目前國內石化這邊，主要像台塑等等這些公司，我跟委員報告，其實我們昨天也跟台塑那邊有一些討論，台塑目前就上游的部分，他們會優先……","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:06:45.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:06:47.474000+08:00","text":"優先供給國內的需求？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:06:48.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:06:50.316000+08:00","text":"我們優先以醫材為主。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:06:51.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:07:01.186000+08:00","text":"你這邊優先醫材，那一般的廠商說塑膠袋很嚴重，有些說建材都沒有了，對不對？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:07:01.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:07:06.011000+08:00","text":"不是，報告委員，當然我們政府這邊會做……我要回答的就是，我們現在都在做……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:07:06.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:07:08.794000+08:00","text":"有跟上游廠商在做協調？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:07:09.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:07:12.636000+08:00","text":"是的，沒錯，這是第一個回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:07:12.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:07:30.206000+08:00","text":"第二個回答，就剛剛委員所說的，我們也估了原料成本占比大概25%，那這裡面必須要……但是我們認為最重要應該是從原料供應端，這個是我們的整個策略，用這種方式的話，就等於從最上游那邊就可以來處理，那這裡面會需要一些費用。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:07:31.12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部分我們跟衛福部在商討，像我跟次長一直就此在做討論，希望能夠讓這些家庭的雇主，包括會遇到的空窗期能不能再進一步的縮短、並有更多人力上的支持，這部分我們在研議中。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-26T12:12:52.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:12:55.435000+08:00","text":"還有成本上不要再繼續疊加，好不好？謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:12:56.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:12:58.518000+08:00","text":"謝謝王鴻薇委員發言。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:12:59.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:13:00.539000+08:00","text":"接下來請陳昭姿委員發言。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:13:01.039000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:13:04.753286+08:00","text":"請大家注意一下發言時間，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}