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但是我們要的是說看到它的演算法透明度"},{"start":483.45,"end":494.268,"text":"因為他演算法一遍再遍其實對外送員對餐廳很沒有保障所以我們就是依照我們去年三讀通過的法律在訂立相關的制度什麼時候可以出來呢來用麥克風好不好市長來"},{"start":497.896,"end":519.728,"text":"那應該是年中吧這個年中現在已經三月囉對啊所以說六月底以前可以出來執法執法有需要再公告嗎要要再公告所以我們六月底以前可以看到執法還有一些相關的預告作業相關法的部分我們再請教但是我要求六月中就六月底以前要出來"},{"start":520.808,"end":542.558,"text":"不是你要不要求是我們原本就在這個方向進這本來就是我們要求我要求勞動部一定要如實做到我們委員會所通過我們會依照我們會依照三讀通過的法律好好的來定好沒有問題那我就看六月六月底我們再來追謝謝謝謝洪孟愷委員接下來我們休息20分鐘用餐"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:20:16.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:20:16.495000+08:00","text":"感謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:20:16.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:20:17.800000+08:00","text":"麻煩先請呂次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:20:17.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:20:18+08:00","text":"麻煩請呂次長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:20:18+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:20:27.128000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:20:27.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:20:31.689000+08:00","text":"感謝主席提出這樣一個大家很重視的議題來做相關討論。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:20:32.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:20:45.593000+08:00","text":"針對長照議題，本席認為很重要的地方是：很多需要照顧的家庭其實沒有辦法直接到相關機構，尤其在交通部分，這確實有落差，為什麼？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:20:47.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:21:20.676000+08:00","text":"本席收到好幾個協會的陳情，如無障礙協會等等，他們說全臺需要輪椅出入的族群差不多50萬到60萬，這是協會給我們的數字，但是全臺可用的無障礙車輛，比較寬鬆的來算約莫6,000輛左右，而這6,000輛可能是無障礙計程車一千多輛、復康巴士兩千多輛，還有一些部分，其實這樣子看得出來，它的比例相對來講是有落差的。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:21:21.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:21:55.420000+08:00","text":"另外，以六都來說，可能它的計程車、無障礙計程車，或者復康巴士相對來講量能比較高，但是非六都以外更少了，所以這其實就是一個……你講它是惡性循環也好，或說它就是一個長期沒有辦法補齊的問題，我們現在想要就教，因為這是一個大哉問，而且它可能也不只是牽涉到衛福部一個部會，可能還要連同交通部一起來協助，所以我們現在來想，針對這樣的問題，我們是不是能夠比較明確的？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:21:56.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:22:10.990000+08:00","text":"本席一開始接收到這個協會陳情的時候，我也很訝異，全臺灣有五、六十萬需要接送，不管是輪椅或是身心障礙，或者是年長者，他沒有辦法移動，需要接送，到底這個數字精不精準？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:22:12.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:22:19.086000+08:00","text":"非常感謝委員對於這個問題的垂詢，委員剛剛所說的主要應該是需求跟供給，是供給跟需求之間的不均衡嘛。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:22:19.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:22:23.992000+08:00","text":"沒錯，我們一定要先了解需求及供給，然後才能想辦法看看怎麼樣加強供給。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:22:24.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:22:41.063000+08:00","text":"沒錯，現在的問題就是，委員剛剛所說的50萬這個數字，我覺得恐怕……我先跟委員報告，針對供給端，現在有關於復康巴士，主要是要你要有身障的鑑定嘛。是。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:22:42.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:22:48.646000+08:00","text":"身障鑑定的部分，我們這邊當然有一個數字，可是另外一個是失能的，就是老人、失能者的那個部分。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:22:48.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:23:02.413000+08:00","text":"就是高齡、失能、身障，這一些都算是可能無法移動或是需要協助，我講的比較直接，我說我覺得我們應該可以怎麼做，您聽聽看，那我們是不是來討論？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:23:02.413000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:23:03.413000+08:00","text":"是、是、是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:23:02.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:23:05.716000+08:00","text":"是不是可以用三個月的時間盤點一下各縣市？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:23:06.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:23:20.766000+08:00","text":"到底我們現在針對高齡、失能、身障，這一些廣義加起來，就是需要協助，不管是搭乘無障礙計程車、搭乘復康巴士的需求人數，把它給統計出來。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:23:20.766000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:23:21.766000+08:00","text":"好，OK。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:23:21.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:23:31.810000+08:00","text":"我之前試著想要資料，但它比較片面，但如果我們能夠掌握22個縣市這一個族群到底有多大，是不是真如協會所陳情的五、六十萬人。對、對。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:23:34.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:23:54.926000+08:00","text":"第二步再來盤點各縣市現在有的無障礙計程車、復康巴士，兩相對照就可以看得出來哪個縣市的缺口最大，或是哪個縣市相對來講，它的落差比較大，第二步才能去想我們應該怎麼樣協助那個縣市，並且增加。好。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:23:55.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:24:15.274000+08:00","text":"當然，我最期待的是全臺灣有一個合理的比例，譬如說我們以前常常提到的護病比就是一比九，那我們也期待是不是每個縣市都要達到一個無障礙車輛比，就是它有多少需求跟多少車輛，然後一比多少是合理的範圍。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:24:15.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:24:42.582000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，我們好像沒有看到衛福部或交通部有這樣的數字，所以次長，能不能承諾三個月內你們去盤點出來，也許你們內部可以先討論合理的無障礙車輛比例是一比多少，就1輛無障礙計程車可以對比譬如說10個家庭，這是一個合理的範圍，或是7個家庭，等於是一個禮拜一天，而1輛計程車可以服務7天，是不是？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-03-26T12:24:42.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:25:00.372000+08: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center的設計，就是說……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:05.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:07.803000+08:00","text":"就是派遣嘛，然後不要讓閒置的人力浪費。沒錯。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:09.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:12.445000+08:00","text":"次長，剛剛我們講三個月你們盤點出來，那我們三個月後再來追。好。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:12.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:18.326000+08:00","text":"因為林月琴委員剛剛都提到了，所以我想召委一定很關心這個議題，那您先請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:18.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:21.527000+08:00","text":"不好意思，召委，既然提到你的名字，再給我2分鐘吧，請洪部長。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:21.527000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:22.607000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，我已經給你延長了。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:22.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:23.327000+08:00","text":"我請洪部長上來一下，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:23.327000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:24.327000+08:00","text":"有一個議題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:23.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:24.248000+08:00","text":"每一個人的時間都一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:24.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:32.591000+08:00","text":"我知道，剛剛我看到黃秀芳委員也真的講滿久，你讓我……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:33.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:35.674000+08:00","text":"他是本委員會的委員，因為我對外委都是一致的。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:35.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:37.376000+08:00","text":"本委跟外委不能差太多啊！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:37.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:38.577000+08:00","text":"我關心的議題……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:38.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:42.061000+08:00","text":"因為你現在用到的時間事實上也會變成是跟本委的時間會是一樣的。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:42.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:47.947000+08:00","text":"對，但是召委，其實我剛剛可以打斷次長，我讓次長把話講完，但是我今天關心兩個議題……","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:47.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:49.369000+08:00","text":"每個委員都是一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:49.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:51.832000+08:00","text":"這個議題也很重要，我是不是能夠……好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:51.832000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:52.832000+08:00","text":"我請部長上來，2分鐘，不超過。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:52.832000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:53.832000+08:00","text":"1分鐘，我就給你1分鐘，否則我們就……","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:53.832000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:26:54.832000+08:00","text":"召委，好，部長請。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:26:53.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:27:15.076000+08:00","text":"我想立法院就是要好好的讓民眾的聲音能夠被聽見嘛，如果我們都自我限縮的話，那我也覺得……我想行政部門應該不會抗拒或是害怕我們的質詢吧？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:27:15.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:27:16.797000+08:00","text":"但我也不是要針對性。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:27:17.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:27:54.742000+08:00","text":"部長，我們在上個會期通過了外送專法，這是我們共同努力的，上個禮拜其實有一個很大的事件，就是外送平臺又說要用相對收購的部分，Grab這個平臺過去在東南亞也有一些不管是劣跡也好、事蹟也好，它確實是很強的一個平臺，很強的一個app，那我現在只想講，因為很多外送員現在也擔心未來會不會變成又是壟斷的情況，所以外送專法通過之後，相關的子法以及大家認為很大的重點──透明度，就是演算法的透明度，是不是要放在子法裡面？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:27:55.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:27:56.542000+08:00","text":"可以說明一下現在的進度。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-26T12:27:57.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:07.747000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，其實去年外送專法通過後，相關子法目前如火如荼的正在訂定中，也在跟外送員的社群或者是跟平臺的社群，各方其實都在討論……","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:08.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:20.337000+08:00","text":"有沒有納入可以要求……因為我們那時候一直強調我們現在是地板，但是我們要的是看到它演算法的透明度，因為它的演算法一變再變，其實對外送員、對於餐廳很沒有保障。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:20.337000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:21.337000+08:00","text":"洪委員，時間已經到了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:20.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:24.103000+08:00","text":"委員，我們就是依照我們去年三讀通過的法律在訂定相關的子法。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:24.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:25.245000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以出來呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王司長厚偉","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:25.245000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:26.307000+08:00","text":"我們預計大概是……因為我們後面還要作業……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:26.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:27.268000+08:00","text":"來，用麥克風好不好？司長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:31.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:31.797000+08:00","text":"應該是年中吧。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:32.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:32.857000+08:00","text":"這個年中？對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:33.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:40.241000+08:00","text":"現在已經3月了，所以6月底以前子法可以出來，子法有需要再公告嗎？要。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:41.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:41.502000+08:00","text":"要再公告？當然。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:41.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:44.003000+08:00","text":"所以我們6月底以前可以看到子法？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:44.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:46.925000+08:00","text":"還有一些相關的預告作業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:46.925000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:47.925000+08:00","text":"如果委員還有需要部會回答的話，請部會會後提供。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:46.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:52.728000+08:00","text":"相關法規的部分我們再請教，但是我要求6月底以前要出來，好不好？","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:53.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:28:56.349000+08:00","text":"委員，這不是你要不要求，而是我們原本就在這個方向進行。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:28:56.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:29:02.312000+08:00","text":"這本來就是我們要求的啊，我要求勞動部一定要如實做到我們委員會所通過的法律……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-03-26T12:29:03.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:29:07.214000+08:00","text":"委員，我們會依照三讀通過的法律好好地來訂定子法。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-26T12:29:07.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:29:12.316000+08:00","text":"好，沒有問題，那6月底我們再來追，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:29:12.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:29:13.997000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝洪孟楷委員。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:29:13.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T12:29:15.538000+08:00","text":"接下來，我們休息20分鐘用餐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:29:16.038000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:29:17.180857+08:00","text":"休息（12時29分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:29:17.480857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:29:19.195143+08:00","text":"繼續開會（12時52分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:29:19.495143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:29:21.209429+08:00","text":"我們繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T12:29:21.509429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T12:29:24.652286+08:00","text":"接下來請鄭天財委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}