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不折扣"},{"start":456.721,"end":477.009,"text":"是不是無法可罰呢這個就回到委員剛剛關切那個13%的問題那個13%的控制有沒有辦法強到讓對方完全亦步亦趨配合他的作為所以呢我就想請主委一定要針對這種有可能隱性的聯合行為喔做密切的觀察那最後提醒主委就是"},{"start":477.549,"end":504.466,"text":"根據資策會的統計2025年曾使用外送服務的消費者比例大概是有上千萬人在使用這個外送服務那公平會作為市場的守護者那本系也期許你們的決定可以做到店家有生意消費者權益有保護然後平台能夠維持競爭的多元局面有信心嗎"},{"start":506.048,"end":508.671,"text":"委員關切的問題都是我們在審查裡面會特別注意的"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:05:01.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:05:02.835000+08:00","text":"主席，我想請代理主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T10:05:02.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:05:03.377000+08:00","text":"請代理主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:05:11.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:05:11.633000+08:00","text":"陳主委，早。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:05:11.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:05:12.633000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:05:13.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:05:20.535000+08:00","text":"現在中東戰火未歇，而且不曉得還要再打多久，連帶影響國內物價，現在菜市場一斤透明的塑膠袋已經從20元漲到25元，這件事情陳主委知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:05:20.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:05:20.615000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:05:32.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:05:33.840000+08:00","text":"你現在有什麼因應的辦法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:05:34.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:05:47.652000+08:00","text":"我們已經有初步先去了解整個市場的狀況，包含塑膠袋的類型、價格等等各方面資訊，因為委員也知道現在經濟部已經在做市場全面的盤整，我們跟經濟部密切配合。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:05:48.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:03.664000+08:00","text":"你不要講經濟部，我現在就問你公平會，現在有一些都缺貨了，代理主委既然有注意到，你們有去主動調查是不是有惡意囤積，或者是有哄抬物價的監督機制嗎？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:04.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:08.467000+08:00","text":"從公平會的角度來看，如果是聯合惡意拒絕出貨，這個就是構成聯合行為。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:08.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:09.808000+08:00","text":"你有去查嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:09.808000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:10.808000+08:00","text":"我們現在正在調查。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:09.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:14.171000+08:00","text":"我現在就嚴重懷疑公平會是人手不足嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:14.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:19.034000+08:00","text":"我們不管問你什麼，你都是被動的，都沒有任何事是值得你主動去調查嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:20.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:22.997000+08:00","text":"像這個塑膠袋的問題，我們就主動有去調查，只是現在經濟部……是嗎？","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:23.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:25.479000+08:00","text":"所以你們現在已經主動在調查了？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:25.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:26.259000+08:00","text":"我們主動在了解。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:26.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:30.122000+08:00","text":"那你們現在有任何調查的跡象或結果嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:30.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:36.927000+08:00","text":"現在還在了解跟調查當中，就像剛剛跟大家講的，我們調查的重點還是在於有沒有聯合拒絕出貨。是啊！","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:36.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:39.549000+08:00","text":"這個需要有點時間來蒐集是不是有這樣的事證。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:39.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:06:55.583000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說如果你主動調查，可能還要再加上一些積極度，因為如果你沒有迅速掌握狀況的話，等你調查完成，這個事情搞不好也已經結束了，船過水無痕！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:06:57.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:07:12.638000+08:00","text":"陳主委，我想每一個委員都對你充滿期待，希望公平會能夠扮演好公平會存在的意義，而不只是一個好像買保險的單位，就是有也可以、沒有也可以，你知道嗎？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:07:12.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:07:23.450000+08:00","text":"所以我現在再提醒一下主委，請問有注意到日本的衛生紙之前就因為有民眾在網路上po文，然後引發恐慌？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:07:24.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:07:30.978000+08:00","text":"本席擔心類似事件假設發生在臺灣，公平會有沒有什麼對策呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:07:32.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:07:36.874000+08:00","text":"衛生紙如果有聯合哄抬價格，當然這是公平會要去調查跟了解的。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:07:38.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:07:41.557000+08:00","text":"這有沒有涉及不實的哄抬價格？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:07:43.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:07: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2018那一次的交易，當時新加坡的競爭與消費委員會就對他們的交易案重罰了1,300萬新幣，兩家公司成為利益共同體，導致競爭誘因消失了，新加坡隨即出現了運費上漲、獎勵縮水的狀況。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:11:15.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:11:41.395000+08:00","text":"所以我也希望公平會要審慎考察，當然，我沒有任何預設立場，希望公平會在整個審查的過程當中要廣納各界的意見及設想各種可能，必須針對消費者的權益跟市場的結構做出最有利的決定，請教主委能做到嗎？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:11:43.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:11:49.379000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員提到這一點都是我們在審查過程會去注意的，就如同上次的案子一樣，我們一定會多聽各方面的意見。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:11:51.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:12:13.691000+08:00","text":"現在本席擔心的是，假設未來foodpanda真的被Grab收購了，你們也同意他的收購，哪一天Grab在臺灣也採取相同的模式，宣布退出臺灣市場，然後把業務交給Uber，那個時候臺灣的外送市場不就澈底失去了競爭，只剩下一家獨大，公平會有考慮過這個可能性嗎？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:12:15.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:12:19.994000+08:00","text":"如果這個可能性發生了，那就變成是回到兩家變一家的情況嘛！是啊！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:12:19.994000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T10:12:20.994000+08:00","text":"那一樣就是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:12:20.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:12:38.661000+08:00","text":"所以這是一個簡單的經濟邏輯，如果兩個競爭對手背後的大股東其實是重疊的，那他們在市場上就不會有強烈的動力去彼此競爭，他們不需要聯合漲價，他們只需要聯合不促銷、不折扣，是不是無法可罰呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:12:39.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:12:47.205000+08:00","text":"這就回到委員剛剛關切那個13%的問題，那個13的控制有沒有辦法強到讓對方完全亦步亦趨並配合他的作為。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:12:47.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:12:55.568000+08:00","text":"所以我想請主委一定要針對這種有可能隱性的聯合行為作密切的觀察。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:12:56.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:13:25.466000+08:00","text":"最後提醒主委，根據資策會的統計，2025年曾使用外送服務的消費者大概有上千萬人，公平會作為市場的守護者，本席也期許你們的決定可以做到：店家有生意、消費者權益有保護、平臺能夠維持競爭的多元局面，有信心嗎？","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:13:27.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-26T10:13:29.651000+08:00","text":"委員關切的問題都是我們在審查裡面會特別注意的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-03-26T10:13:30.151000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T10:13:31.579571+08:00","text":"好，加油！謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-03-26T10:13:31.879571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T10:13:33.022429+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T10:13:33.322429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T10:13:37.322429+08:00","text":"謝謝張嘉郡委員的質詢，謝謝主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-26T10:13:37.622429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-26T10:13:41.336714+08:00","text":"接下來我們請鄭天財委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}