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包括醫療手套什麼都在漲那這個塑膠之亂後續衍生的問題"},{"start":364.53,"end":386.335,"text":"這個就不是只有政府我們控油控油就是油電不漲動漲電價重漲油價或來做補貼可以去做後續的處理那這些因應的政策跟方法你有什麼建議包括我們現在包括現在我先提一個比較具體我們這一次全球的尿素跟硫磺漲了35%跟45%其實這些都是從荷末茲海峽運輸進來"},{"start":392.056,"end":415.506,"text":"戰爭一旦拖長下一波農產品價格會不會也是持續的上漲我跟委員報告行政院的一個穩定物價小組它有包括了農業部它有包括了公平會它有包括了經濟部相關的部會包括我們中央銀行所以也就是說"},{"start":416.646,"end":437.103,"text":"我剛剛所說的它的穩定的油價還有穩定其他相關物品的原料的物價行政院相關的部會都會去關注它那中央銀行的部分我剛剛也已經說明了我們中央的部分就是剛剛我所說的在匯率方面 在利率方面我們如何來配合政府的維穩的一個措施"},{"start":443.297,"end":466.439,"text":"所以總裁就是說我剛才提到的就是說原油的漲幅後續整個原物料的上漲其實都是帶動所有的各行各業可能都會漲我剛才講包括醫療手套塑膠藥罐藥師也預估說這些醫材未來的漲幅會高達三成"},{"start":467.6,"end":492.968,"text":"我最近有聽到今年要選議員的朋友跟我講今年刊版帆布已經公告所有帆布要漲兩成所以所有的東西都在漲那這些能源價格上漲對國內物價的傳導的效果影響程度其實是非常大的所以我擔心的不是只有今年1.9%CPI只有1.9有無聊你剛剛預估有可能會超過1.9%"},{"start":497.685,"end":519.402,"text":"這個我就說 我也認為就是說第二季這是一個關鍵不過呢 我講說第二季是我們禮監事會的第二季的時候呢那這是一個關鍵 不過我也跟委員報告事實上呢 我們每個月我們都對這個情境的分析做不同的一個的蒐集資料然後做不同情景來做分析"},{"start":522.079,"end":537.008,"text":"那你有沒有給行政院萬一如果CPI超過2的話行政院就要很多的工具進場我想行政院你看看行政院也非常大動作的就是說你看沒多久他就有一個聯合的一個穩定小組的一個會議那我也跟那個委員報告那個二屋戰爭的時候"},{"start":544.292,"end":549.876,"text":"那二溫戰爭的時候那是供給面跟現在的是一樣的二溫戰爭現在這也是美伊戰爭這個戰爭所導致的供給面呢一定是要供給面的措施來比較有效因為我覺得這是一個跨部會的合作是是是沒有錯穩定物價包括你手邊可以的工具財政部可以的工具我覺得是不是都要硬硬做好準備因為我今天議題很多"},{"start":567.649,"end":586.164,"text":"我想問一個新青安2.0的事情2.0你的看法過去新青安1.0在實施的時候很多人認為說跟你的央行打房的政策事實上是相互衝突的那我們現在2.0要上路而新的2.0有幾個政策就是包括5年縮短成3年取消部分利息的補貼還有年齡限制成為80條款"},{"start":588.746,"end":610.238,"text":"你對於這個新政案2.0行政院其他包括財政部有沒有找你溝通過你的看法對於2.0應該做什麼樣的調整如果2.0要上路的話你有什麼看法我想第一個我要跟委員回答的就是說第一個就是說是不是他新政案跟我們的選擇新政案是不是有衝突我覺得事後來看的話是一致的"},{"start":610.638,"end":634.907,"text":"因為我們都對對手過足對弱勢者給他一個信用所以你支持新西蘭2.0目前我在媒體上看到2.0政策你全部都支持沒有沒有沒有當然所以也就是說他有一些的副作用但是現在副作用在要到7月的時候呢這個部分呢行政院那有也有找我們中央議員溝通那現在正是大家正在討論的時候"},{"start":636.027,"end":652.234,"text":"好所以目前看起來就你的說法星期二2.0我在媒體上看到新的三個勝策跟方向基本上看起來你好像應該是支持的他那個是我不知道那個他的消息來源是從哪裡來的不過我跟委員報告現在他的final他的最終的版本還沒有出來"},{"start":657.932,"end":679.602,"text":"目前我看到都有找你溝通過就對了而且呢幾次幾次大家都有在溝通好就是目前在媒體上看到新千安2.0政策方向上是找央行溝通過的而且看起來是央行跟行政院跟財政部的版本是一致的沒有衝突的對好謝謝林委員到最後應該是一致的好謝謝林委員下一位諮詢委員請賴世寶委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:25:13+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:25:14+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，可不可以請總裁？謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-30T09:25:14+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:25:15+08:00","text":"請中央銀行楊總裁。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:25:15+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:25:16+08:00","text":"李委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:25:13.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:25:13.049000+08:00","text":"早安總裁。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:25:13.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:25:14.469000+08:00","text":"今天財委會的委員大概都還是關注整個中東的局勢，跟油價後續對通膨及民眾消費的影響。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:25:14.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:25:41.943000+08:00","text":"整個局勢從2月28號到現在，我們看到今年年初的油價每桶從60塊漲到現在90到110這樣的區間，漲幅已經超過50%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:25:41.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:25:43.945000+08:00","text":"總裁在理監事會議上有提到，根據歷史的經驗，這場中東的局勢不會拖延太長，這樣的預估是根據你過去的判斷，但是會不會太過樂觀？","quality":0.491},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:25:43.945000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:25:57.341000+08:00","text":"剛才你有回答林德福委員，說如果油價持續在100塊以上，通膨可能會到達1.9，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:25:57.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:25:57.401000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:26:14.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:26:16.638000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有預估過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:26:17.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:26:59.109000+08:00","text":"當然這不是我們希望預見的，但是很多事情不是掌握在我們身上，如果戰爭持續變成區域性的戰爭，因為現在看到的不只是荷姆茲海峽的問題，萬一曼德海峽也遭到封鎖的話，其連接紅海和亞丁灣跟印度洋，是歐洲跟亞洲重要的航道，也就是全世界非常重要兩個運輸油的航道都受到衝擊跟影響，所以身為央行的總裁不可能只有一種劇本去預估，對不對？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:26:59.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:27:03.171000+08:00","text":"總裁，你了解我意思，因為不是掌握在我們身上。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:27:03.171000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:27:04.872000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯，委員講得沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:27:04.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:27:17.442000+08:00","text":"油價在100塊以上、在120塊以上、在150塊以上，我們都要有不同的版本去準備，現在不只是價格的問題，而是波動超大，波動太大的話，後續可能隨時會再飆升，關於這個衝擊影響，總裁有沒有去做內部的預估跟因應？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:27:30.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:27:31.618000+08:00","text":"因為這個對於後續要不要升息等，都會有衝擊影響。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:27:32.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:28:00.080000+08:00","text":"一開始我們預測的情境就是用非常的……就是把它假設是中東全面的戰爭，而且持續的時間到9月、到今年年底，我想一個預測的機構不可能做這樣的情境分析，當然……","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:28:01.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:28:01.821000+08:00","text":"所以你沒有做……沒有……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:28:02.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:28:02.762000+08:00","text":"如果說油價……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:28:03.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:28:08.366000+08:00","text":"所以有委員在講會這樣，當然會！","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:28:09.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:28:17.433000+08:00","text":"所以我剛剛也有在談，我們3月的時候是用全年85塊來做情境的分析，到……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:28:21.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:28:23.038000+08:00","text":"現在都已經到100了，所以你那個85塊的標準，是用政府抑制油價……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:28:24.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:28:25.740000+08:00","text":"您的意思是現在都已經到一百多了、一百一十幾了，不！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:28:25.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:28:39.853000+08:00","text":"那個是暫時、現在、目前，如果說以整年來看的話，從我們預測當時的58.3，現在把它調升到85的話，已經上漲45%了，這是全年……","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:28:40.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:28:42.455000+08:00","text":"是，我知道，你是用整年預估，所以你的判斷就是中東的局勢會在短時間之內獲得控制，也不會……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:28:42.455000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:01.071000+08:00","text":"是，但是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:01.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:03.272000+08:00","text":"我們也不需要去預估萬一油價升到120或150的版本，不需要？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:03.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:06.294000+08:00","text":"不是，因為隨著時間的經過，我們的情境分析就必須要調整，也許現在是85，如果它的發展是很快地就結束了，油價往下的話，也有可能到70啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:06.294000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:29.627000+08:00","text":"也有可能到你所說的90。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:29.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:42.097000+08:00","text":"我要提醒的是，我當然希望局勢可以儘速獲得控制，大家都不希望看到，但是局勢是什麼樣的變化，沒有人可以掌握，到底會是什麼樣的狀態跟變化，不是掌握在我們手中。","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:46.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:51.584000+08:00","text":"未來油價假使是120、150，會是什麼樣的狀態？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:51.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:51.904000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有什麼樣因應的工具？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:51.904000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:52.904000+08:00","text":"這是我要提醒你的。有啦！","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:52.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:52.604000+08:00","text":"當然有，中央銀行不會就坐在那邊，我們不會就……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:52.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:53.685000+08:00","text":"這就是我要問你的嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:53.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:54.165000+08:00","text":"這就是我的重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:29:54.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:29:54.965000+08:00","text":"我認為第一個，政府穩定油價的措施、平穩的機制，如果油價一直往上的話，是不是也會考量到加大？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:30:17.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:30:18.214000+08:00","text":"這是第一個。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:30:18.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:30:32.291000+08:00","text":"第二個，中央銀行的職責有兩個，第一個職責是要防止輸入性通貨膨脹，輸入性通貨膨脹跟匯率有關……當然。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:30:33.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:30:37.574000+08:00","text":"也就是我們一定要讓匯率穩定，這是第一個。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:30:37.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:30:48.399000+08:00","text":"第二個，如果物價持續往上漲，那麼市面上的通膨預期可能就會形成，這個時候……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:30:48.399000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:30:49.600000+08:00","text":"你會升息嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:30:49.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:30:51.881000+08:00","text":"中央銀行可能就必須要朝緊縮的貨幣政策來執行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:30:55.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:30:56.300000+08:00","text":"緊縮貨幣政策，升息也是？是。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:30:58.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:31:27.472000+08:00","text":"總裁，我要請問你，戰爭持續拉長引發最近的塑膠之亂，我想你應該有聽說，因為所有的東西都在漲，包括醫療手套等等，而塑膠之亂後續所衍生的問題就不是只有政府凍漲電價、凍漲油價或補貼而已，還可以去做後續的處理。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:31:28.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:31:31.793000+08:00","text":"這些因應的政策跟方法，你有什麼建議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:31:33.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:31:51.419000+08:00","text":"我先提一個比較具體的，這一次全球的尿素跟硫磺各漲了35%跟45%，其實這些都是從荷姆茲海峽運輸進來，戰爭一旦拖長，下一波農產品價格會不會也持續上漲？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:31:54.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:32:20.775000+08:00","text":"行政院穩定物價小組包括農業部、公平會、經濟部等相關部會，也包括中央銀行，也就是我剛剛所說的，有關穩定油價及穩定其他相關物品的原料物價，行政院與相關部會都會關注。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:32:21.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:32:30.083000+08:00","text":"至於中央銀行部分，我剛剛也已經說明了，在匯率方面、利率方面要如何配合政府的維穩措施。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:32:37.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:32:59.419000+08:00","text":"總裁，我剛才提到了，就是原油的漲幅造成後續整個原物料上漲，其實帶動所有各行各業可能都會漲，包括醫療手套、塑膠藥罐，藥師也預估這些醫材未來的漲幅會高達三成。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:33:00.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:33:11.564000+08:00","text":"我最近聽到今年要選議員的朋友跟我講，今年已經公告所有看板帆布要漲兩成，所以所有的東西都在漲。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:33:11.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:33:25.968000+08:00","text":"這些能源價格上漲對國內物價的傳導效果，影響程度其實非常大，因此我擔心的不是今年CPI只有1.9%，因為你剛剛預估原物料有可能會超過1.9%，你的看法呢？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:33:31.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:33:35.449000+08:00","text":"我也認為第二季是一個關鍵。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:33:36.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:33:41.414000+08:00","text":"對我們第二季理監事會，這是一個關鍵。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:33:41.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:33:52.382000+08:00","text":"不過我也跟委員報告，事實上，每個月我們都對情境分析蒐集不同的資料，再對不同情景分析。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:33:55.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:33:56.040000+08:00","text":"你有沒有給行政院？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:33:56.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:34:00.702000+08:00","text":"萬一CPI超過2%，行政院就要有很多的工具進場。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:34:01.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:34:08.807000+08:00","text":"你看看行政院也是非常大動作的，沒多久就有一個聯合的穩定小組會議。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:34:09.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:34:18.633000+08:00","text":"我也跟委員報告，俄烏戰爭的時候，那是供給面，跟現在是一樣的。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:34:18.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:34:19.894000+08:00","text":"現在美伊戰爭所導致供給面的問題，一定要用供給面的措施會比較有效。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:34:20.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:34:20.955000+08:00","text":"總裁，我覺得這是一個跨部會的合作……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:34:21.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:34:21.075000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:34:21.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:34:22.476000+08:00","text":"穩定物價，包括你手邊可以用的工具、財政部可以用的工具，我覺得隨時都要因應、做好準備。是。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:34:22.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:34:44.212000+08:00","text":"我今天的議題很多，我想問新青安2.0的事情，關於你對2.0的看法。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:34:44.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:34:59.144000+08:00","text":"過去新青安1.0在實施的時候，很多人認為跟央行的打房政策事實上是相互衝突的，現在2.0要上路，新的2.0有幾個政策，包括5年縮短成3年、取消部分利息補貼及年齡限制成為80條款。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:02.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:07.169000+08:00","text":"關於新青安2.0，行政院及其他包括財政部有沒有找你溝通過？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:07.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:09.650000+08:00","text":"依你的看法，對於2.0應該做什麼樣的調整？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:09.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:11.712000+08:00","text":"如果2.0要上路的話，你有什麼看法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:12.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:20.236000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員回答的是，第一個，新青安跟我們的選擇性信用管制是不是有衝突？","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:21.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:28.420000+08:00","text":"事後來看，我覺得是一致的，因為我們都對首購族、弱勢者給他們一個信用……","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:28.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:30.020000+08:00","text":"所以你支持新青安2.0？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:30.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:33.662000+08:00","text":"目前我在媒體上看到，2.0政策你全部都支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:33.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:40.844000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，當然它有一些副作用，但是要到7月才屆期。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:42.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:47.887000+08:00","text":"這個部分行政院也有找中央銀行溝通，現在是大家正在討論的時候。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:35:49.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:35:57.451000+08:00","text":"目前看起來，就你的說法，關於新青安2.0，我在媒體上看到新的3個政策跟方向，基本上你應該是支持的？","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:00.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:03.113000+08:00","text":"我不知道它的消息來源是從哪裡來的？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:03.113000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:04.113000+08:00","text":"我從媒體上看到的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:03.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:05.234000+08:00","text":"不過我跟委員報告，現在最終版本還沒有出來，只有在交換意見，而且幾次……","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:11.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:13.253000+08:00","text":"都有找你溝通過就對了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:14.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:16.435000+08:00","text":"而且這幾次大家都有在溝通。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:17.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:22.818000+08:00","text":"好，就是目前在媒體上看到新青安2.0政策，方向上是找央行溝通過的？有。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:23.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:29.521000+08:00","text":"而且看起來央行跟行政院跟財政部的版本是一致的、沒有衝突的？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:29.521000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:30.521000+08:00","text":"我可以做這樣的結論？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:30.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:30.942000+08:00","text":"對，到最後應該是一致的。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:31.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:31.602000+08:00","text":"謝謝李委員。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:31.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:32.442000+08:00","text":"下一位請賴士葆委員質詢。","quality":0.455}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}