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是這個意思嗎不是不是 他們也知道那老實講一巴掌直接轟過去了然後法警說不要這樣好不好這個你覺得如果是在我們的法我記得我們的法律體系好像常常採用在美國那美國的法律體系如果這個嫌犯還是當事人直接給律師一巴掌那法警會坐在那邊完全說你不要這樣嗎我想不太會吧"},{"start":265.959,"end":285.182,"text":"不是真的 這個有點全國民眾都在看 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跟委員報告委員講一句話講得我個人也非常贊成就是說我們受試法是不是可以因應現代的"},{"start":452.463,"end":464.352,"text":"其實對於這一件新北戈口案因為他是當就是因為少子法的關係而造成很多中間的缺陷的出現其實我們對於假釋已經"},{"start":465.612,"end":481.059,"text":"左手嚴厲,應該草案已經出來了,應該要分階層還有相關的少年問題,還有被害人的參與,我們都已經嚴厲草案出來我們會在最快最快的本會期送出來"},{"start":481.57,"end":503.386,"text":"既然司法院已經正面回應這件事情那本席也就特地提我第二個主張直接提高假釋的門檻啦對於這種重傷事實這種重大這種故意殺人這種案件目前是服刑三分之一就可以申請假釋那是不是可以直接提高到二分之一那不要讓刑期看起來很重但是執行的時候卻被直接打折啊"},{"start":504.126,"end":526.232,"text":"我們有提供三分之一、二分之一、三分之二都有就依照他再次犯罪的罪職來做不同的處置第三點我希望我的意見司法院能夠真正能夠納入因為很多現在民眾對於法律對於司法是有極度的不信任因為有太多太多原因不管是我們看到的其他案件還是目前這一個案子"},{"start":526.972,"end":541.986,"text":"其實被害人的意見納入審查在於殺人跟重傷致死的時候被害人的意見納入審查現在很多家屬的感受是什麼判決已經很難接受後面假釋的過程那個聲音都沒有"},{"start":544.674,"end":561.014,"text":"蘇長你想想看如果說您當然是以一個專業公務員專業體制內的人去講一句話可是如果一般家屬苦民所苦一般家屬我自己有兩個小朋友那如果我的小朋友出事我一定"},{"start":562.659,"end":585.898,"text":"那個怒氣跟悲傷我是不知道怎麼去發洩的但是如果說這個人出來假釋過程之內我連個聲音都沒有那我想請問我們現在先談法我們不談雖然這是個案但是我們直接從制度希望能夠把個案來去做一定程度的改善我們那個假釋是不是可以假釋是要納入被害人的陳述我們的草案裡面也規定了禁打"},{"start":586.118,"end":594.54,"text":"還有另外一個 審查結果必須說出具體的理由你不能說審查結果它可以了就這樣拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼拼"},{"start":612.004,"end":627.407,"text":"對 沒錯 我想任何理由都是要具體的我想這個是我們草案裡面一定是努力的方法我們很擔心的一句話叫做黑箱讓程序透明 不要讓民眾直接認為司法就是在黑箱這點我覺得司法院必須要再做到"},{"start":628.615,"end":647.677,"text":"最後面我在幫民間團體這個還想陪你長大聯盟講一句話他們提的不是情緒是很務實的問題高風險家庭是誰在接社工跟保護官人力夠不夠心理輔導矯正體系有沒有接軌校園安全是誰在負責"},{"start":649.339,"end":666.301,"text":"這些問題的共通點只有一個不是單一機關而是要跨部會來解決所以我想請教司法院現在是否有這跨部會的整合機制還是各做各最後責任也是各自切割沒有 跟委員報告就是在家事部分我們講保護令各方面"},{"start":667.301,"end":689.431,"text":"或者是在少年部分其實跟什麼衛福部啦還有教育部啊我們是各機關一定要跨部會的因為這個少年的有教育的部分有醫療的部分甚至就是我們司法部分我們全力的是所有一定是跨機關的結合那我也跟可以跟委員報告其實其他機關"},{"start":691.574,"end":701.333,"text":"警政署他們也是全力因為這件事件啟發我們很多的必須要進步的地方現在是全力跨部會"},{"start":702.932,"end":728.692,"text":"本席至少對於秘書長今天講說這個會期會提出版本這件事情本席給予肯定但是我期待的是說版本出來之後我們能夠好好開始討論不要讓這件事情已經發生的事情變成這個案變成未來的通案制度有錯就要改有不好的地方就要改要與時俱進這是我希望司法院能夠在這個案子上繼續做到的地方以上好 謝謝林沛翔委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:10.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:13.043000+08:00","text":"主席，有請高秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:19.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:20.010000+08:00","text":"請高秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:25.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:37.261000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我今天主要談兩個議題，一個發生在法院裡面，一個發生在社會上面，其實都同時指向同一個問題，就是我們的司法制度到底有沒有跟上現實呢？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:38.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:01.167000+08:00","text":"先講我們今天最主要的主題就是有關法警的事情，臺中地方法院一位當事人當場甩了律師公會理事長一巴掌，重點不是在巴掌本身，而是旁邊有法警，但法警的反應不是制止，也不是壓制，而是安撫，這畫面有點讓人錯亂，我必須這樣說。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:01.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:07.588000+08:00","text":"法院裡面發生暴力行為，最冷靜的是打人的人，最溫柔的反而是法警。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:08.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:11.869000+08:00","text":"我想請教司法院，現在法警的SOP是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:11.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:17.791000+08:00","text":"是先勸再說，還是先安撫再評估，還是要看對方情緒穩不穩定決定要不要執法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:18.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:28.117000+08:00","text":"甚至一個比較現實的問題，如果今天被打的不是律師，是法官、是檢察官，那現場的處置會不會還是如此的溫馨呢？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:29.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:39.527000+08:00","text":"還是司法體系裡面也有所謂身分的排序，這問題如果不回答清楚，外界很難不懷疑我們執法的標準是一致的，還是有彈性的？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:40.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:45.392000+08:00","text":"講得更直接一點，現在法警的問題是不能處理，還是不敢處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:46.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:55.275000+08:00","text":"如果是不能，就表示制度設計有問題；如果是不敢，就是訓練跟授權出了問題，兩者都非常嚴重。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:56.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:03.602000+08:00","text":"法院是最後一道防線，如果連法院裡的基本秩序都守不住，那人民走進來是尋求正義，還是參加風險體驗呢？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:09.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:13.326000+08:00","text":"第一，是否該全面檢討法院的維安機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:14.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:19.488000+08:00","text":"第二，是否強化法警現場的應變跟執法訓練？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:19.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:25.669000+08:00","text":"第三，是否建立可以明確執行的現場處理標準，而不是靠臨場感覺？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:25.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:25.769000+08:00","text":"請秘書長回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:25.769000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:32.351000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:32.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:59.899000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實所有標準都已經訂立，我剛剛就講了，第一個，我們一定要預防危險發生；第二個，在現場法警維持秩序的時候，當有這種暴力發生，我們撇開法院組織法的法源依據，就我們內部的規定，法警是可以制止的，我們內部規定法警是可以制止的。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:01.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:14.412000+08:00","text":"因此這一件事情發生，司法院還有各法院真的都必須深深檢討，最重要的就是一定要落實執行。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:15.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:25.838000+08:00","text":"其實我們給法警的教育訓練很多，可是為什麼不能當成他的DNA當場反應出來、為什麼會有這種遲疑？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:26.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:36.071000+08:00","text":"因此我們現在請各院務必讓法警要有本能的反應，並且當然要依照比例原則。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:37.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:54.103000+08:00","text":"我們現在最重要的強化就是一定要落實，否則再多的規定都沒有用，其實我們的規定真的多如牛毛，可是很可惜，在這個事件裡面竟然沒有把規定落實，這是我們最要檢討的地方。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:54.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:59.326000+08:00","text":"因為規定多如牛毛，所以第一線的人員有點是用猜的在執法，是嗎？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:00.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:00.687000+08:00","text":"是這個意思嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:00.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:02.147000+08:00","text":"不是、不是，他們也知道……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:02.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:04.268000+08:00","text":"老實講一巴掌直接呼過去了……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:04.268000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:07.310000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯，所以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥：然後法警對當事人說","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:07.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:08.010000+08:00","text":"「不要這樣，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥：然後法警對當事人說","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:08.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:25.758000+08:00","text":"」你覺得如果是在我們的法……我記得我們的法律體系好像常常採用美國，以美國的法律體系，如果是嫌犯還是當事人直接給律師一巴掌，法警會坐在那邊說「你不要這樣」嗎？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥：然後法警對當事人說","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:25.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:26.479000+08:00","text":"我想不太會吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:26.479000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:30.023000+08:00","text":"不是，真的、真的跟委員報告，真的規定都有……","quality":0.235},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:30.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:35.069000+08:00","text":"這個有點……秘書長，全國民眾都在看，聽到感覺哪裡怪怪的，不是嗎？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:35.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:43:04.260000+08:00","text":"沒錯，我就說真的沒有讓法警……我不知道這位是不是剛剛進來的法警，不管是剛進來的或老法警都要知道，一定要維護所有走進法院裡面甚至在院宇內的秩序安全跟人身安全，其實這個是我們一直規定，一直講、一直講、一直講，可是在這個事件，我們就看到確實沒有落實。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:43:07.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:43:11.602000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我還是剛剛那句話，不要讓第一線人員用猜的在執法。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:43:11.602000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:43:12.602000+08:00","text":"不能用猜的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:43:12.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:43:38.813000+08:00","text":"要有明確、可執行的現場處置標準，這次是很明顯的案子，剛剛不只翁曉玲委員，陳昭姿委員也都質詢過了，今天是遇到一個女性的當事人有過激的反應，如果明天遇到的是一個雄壯威武而且比較有攻擊性的人，法警是否能夠保護到您剛剛講的目的，保護到所有人呢？","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:43:39.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:43:50.706000+08:00","text":"明確而且可執行的現場處理標準這個最簡單的SOP，我期待司法院能夠儘快促成這件事情，因為這是司法院的責任，對吧？是。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:43:53.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:12.580000+08:00","text":"第二個案子我想要談的就是社會上關注度非常高的新北割喉案，案子已經定讞了，但是社會的不滿並沒有定讞，這件事讓人不安的不是判決結果，而是人民開始懷疑這套制度到底接不接得住風險？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:12.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:20.926000+08:00","text":"我想這個案子全國都很注重，被害人家屬講了一句很重的話：司法接不住孩子，要被害人來接。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:22.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:26.728000+08:00","text":"這句話其實要問一件事，我們的制度到底是在保護人還是賭運氣呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:27.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:34.891000+08:00","text":"我要請教司法院，面對這麼重大的案件，你認為現行制度、特別是少事法還符合現實嗎？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:34.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:44.374000+08:00","text":"其實大家心裡都知道，制度還停在三十年前，但是犯罪型態已經是2026的版本，已經跟1996年、1986年不一樣了。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:45.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:52.497000+08:00","text":"現在的問題不是沒有方向，而是沒有速度，社會在問：修法什麼時候來？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:52.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:52.817000+08:00","text":"怎麼改？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:53.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:54.358000+08:00","text":"誰負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:54.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:58.740000+08:00","text":"我這邊提出三個方向，也請司法院正面回應立場。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:58.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:02.582000+08:00","text":"第一個，重大暴力犯罪是否限制假釋？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:02.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:10.266000+08:00","text":"對於故意殺人、重傷致死這種案件，如果判刑10年以上，是否明定不得假釋？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:11.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:20.754000+08:00","text":"現在的制度是時間到了就可以聲請，但社會感受是傷害還沒結束，人可能就先出來了，這個落差要怎麼解釋呢？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:23.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:31.701000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，委員講的一句話我個人也非常贊成，就是少事法是不是可以因應現代的少年。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:33.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:42.310000+08:00","text":"對於這一件新北割喉案，因為少事法的關係而造成很多中間的缺陷出現。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:42.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:02.059000+08:00","text":"其實我們對於假釋已經著手研擬，草案應該已經出來了，就是應該要分階層，還有相關的少年問題以及被害人的參與，我們都已經研擬草案出來，會最快、最快地在本會期送出來。","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:02.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:09.535000+08:00","text":"既然司法院已經正面回應這件事情，本席也就特地提第二個主張，就是直接提高假釋的門檻。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:10.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:17.641000+08:00","text":"對於有重傷事實、重大、故意殺人的這種案件，目前是服刑三分之一就可以聲請假釋。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:17.641000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:18.641000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:17.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:19.883000+08:00","text":"是不是可以直接提高到二分之一？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:20.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:24.226000+08:00","text":"不要讓刑期看起來很重，但是執行的時候卻被直接打折。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:25.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:32.948000+08:00","text":"是、是、是，我們有提供三分之一、二分之一、三分之二，都有，就依照再次犯罪的罪質來做不同的處置。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:33.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:56.840000+08:00","text":"第三點，我希望我的意見司法院能夠真正納入，因為現在有很多民眾對於法律、對於司法是極度的不信任，因為有太多、太多原因，不管是我們看到的其他案件，還是目前這個案子，其實在於殺人跟重傷致死的時候，被害人的意見納入審查。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:57.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:59.262000+08:00","text":"現在很多家屬的感受是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:59.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:02.966000+08:00","text":"判決已經很難接受，後面假釋的過程，連個聲音都沒有。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:02.966000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:05.674000+08:00","text":"那個關於……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:05.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:26.982000+08:00","text":"秘書長，你想想看，您當然是以一個專業公務員、專業體制內的人去講句話，可是如果以一般家屬，苦民所苦，我自己有兩個小朋友，如果我的小朋友出事，我那個怒氣跟悲傷是不知道要怎麼去發洩的！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:27.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:39.132000+08:00","text":"但是如果這個人假釋的過程，我連個聲音都沒有，我想請問，我們現在先談法，雖然這是個案，但是我們直接從制度面，希望能夠把個案做一點程度的改善。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:40.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:46.538000+08:00","text":"會、會，跟委員報告，是不是可以假釋，要納入被害人的陳述，我們的草案裡面也規定了建檔。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:47.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:53.440000+08:00","text":"還有另外一個，審查結果必須說出具體的理由，你不能說審查結果他可以了，就這樣劈里啪啦帶過去，社會上有多少人正在看著。","quality":0.635},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:53.440000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:13.004000+08:00","text":"不只是這個案件，而是他們可能也遭受同樣的傷痛，但是他們的意見卻不能表達，他們拿到審查結果，就是已經被放出來了，沒有解釋理由，這個其實是讓人不能接受的，是嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:13.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:18.993000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯，我想任何理由都是要具體，這個一定是我們草案裡面努力的方向。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:19.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:28.387000+08:00","text":"我們很擔心的那句話叫做黑箱，讓程序透明，不要讓民眾直接認為司法就是在黑箱，這點我覺得司法院必須要再做到。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:29.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:40.768000+08:00","text":"最後，我再幫民間團體「孩想陪你長大聯盟」講一句話，他們提的不是情緒，是很務實的問題，高風險家庭是誰在接？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:41.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:42.049000+08:00","text":"社工跟保護官。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:42.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:44.552000+08:00","text":"保護官人力夠不夠？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:44.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:47.215000+08:00","text":"心理輔導矯正體系有沒有接軌？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:47.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:48.677000+08:00","text":"校園安全是誰在負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:50.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:55.666000+08:00","text":"這些問題的共通點只有一個，不是單一機關，而是要跨部會來解決。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:55.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:48:59.270000+08:00","text":"所以我想請教司法院，現在是否有做跨部會的整合機制？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:48:59.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:49:03.295000+08:00","text":"還是各做各的，最後責任也是各自切割？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:49:03.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:49:27.530000+08:00","text":"沒有，跟委員報告，在家事部分，我們講保護令各方面或者是在少年的部分，其實跟衛福部還有教育部……各機關一定是跨部會的，因為關於少年的有教育的部分，有醫療的部分，甚至就是我們司法的部分，我們一定是全力地進行所有跨機關的結合。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:49:27.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:49:42.333000+08:00","text":"我也可以跟委員報告，其他機關如警政署，他們也是全力配合，因為這個事件啟發我們很多必須要進步的地方，現在是全力跨部會。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:49:43.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:50:00.404000+08:00","text":"本席至少對於秘書長今天說這個會期會提出版本這件事情給予肯定，但是我期待的是版本出來之後，我們能夠好好開始討論，不要讓這件已經發生的事情，個案變成未來的通案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-03-30T09:50:00.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:50:09.111000+08:00","text":"制度有錯就要改、有不好的地方就要改，要與時俱進，這是我希望司法院能夠在這個案子上面繼續做到的地方。以上。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T09:50:09.111000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:50:10.111000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-30T09:50:09.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:50:09.692000+08:00","text":"謝謝林沛祥委員。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-30T09:50:10.192000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:50:13.620571+08:00","text":"接下來有請林倩綺委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}