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是這個意思嗎不是不是 他們也知道那老實講一巴掌直接轟過去了然後法警說不要這樣好不好這個你覺得如果是在我們的法我記得我們的法律體系好像常常採用在美國那美國的法律體系如果這個嫌犯還是當事人直接給律師一巴掌那法警會坐在那邊完全說你不要這樣嗎我想不太會吧"},{"start":265.959,"end":285.182,"text":"不是真的 這個有點全國民眾都在看 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