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他們也有說說流通率低很低然後他就把它拿剔除掉沒有你總共要花多少錢做改版花多少錢做改版我們也已經講得很清楚啊如果說如果改版的話呢一張大概會增加成本1.5塊錢"},{"start":601.032,"end":602.175,"text":"那現在就要看總量嘛因為總量現在50億"},{"start":610.018,"end":637.145,"text":"不一定不一定啦不一定先讓我跟委員報告啦就是說我們反正都用張數來計算1.5下一次你們就講是50億啊沒有那大概就是說那是但是呢說實在說現在50億很多還有很多是多少多少第七波的信用管制啊從打草房其實房市現在幾乎已經硬著陸了在硬著陸之後現在有硬著陸嗎"},{"start":640.066,"end":657.314,"text":"在運作路的路上所以你現在我們很密切的注意所以你現在維持市場穩定力放寬第二戶可以貸款次數增加就是想要不要讓他一直運作路要他變成運作路這樣講對嗎"},{"start":658.674,"end":661.898,"text":"我們還是在強調要軟著陸啦這個就是我們的基調就軟著陸啦要讓它軟著陸現在我們就說黃價是在反轉的開端而已啦開端而已"},{"start":675.694,"end":696.848,"text":"我來跟你提醒一下多少的專家說現在房市是正在走向運走路所以央行才出手讓它變成走路我們密切的關注我們密切的注意好謝謝謝謝賴委員下一位請郭國文委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:53+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:54+08:00","text":"謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請央行楊總裁。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:53.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:53.390000+08:00","text":"請中央銀行楊總裁。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:53.390000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:36:59.729500+08:00","text":"賴委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:36:59.729500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:06.069000+08:00","text":"總裁早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:06.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:09.831000+08:00","text":"最近「霧煞煞」，對嗎？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:10.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:11.352000+08:00","text":"亂中有序。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:11.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:16.655000+08:00","text":"因為外面在打仗，所以你內心也在打仗？不會。不會？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:16.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:18.916000+08:00","text":"外面是亂的，我們心是靜的。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:19.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:20.397000+08:00","text":"你不會睡不著覺？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:21.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:21.857000+08:00","text":"應該不會吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:22.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:25.639000+08:00","text":"臺幣一直匯出去這麼多，貶得這麼厲害，你的心會不會抽動一下？不會？","quality":0.536},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:32.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:38.153000+08:00","text":"我們要了解情況，但是在作決策的時候，心一定要很平靜、要很定。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:38.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:37:45.202000+08:00","text":"可是現在外資賣了匯出去的已經八千多億了，錢一直出去、一直出去，你不緊張嗎？","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:37:50.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:08.596000+08:00","text":"這個事件導致資金外流，到目前為止，我覺得是可控的，而且股市如果上漲到某一個程度，某種程度的correction、調整應該也是正常的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:09.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:21.698000+08:00","text":"你的意思用白話文講就是臺股漲太多，藉這個機會拉回整理很正常，都不用怕啦！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:22.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:22.879000+08:00","text":"你說的意思用白話文講是這樣，對吧？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:22.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:29.940000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，我覺得臺灣經濟成長各層面都還是很穩健的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:30.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:38.274000+08:00","text":"我問你，臺股有沒有被低估、有沒有超跌？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:38.274000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:39.435000+08:00","text":"因為一直恐慌（panic）。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:39.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:40.856000+08:00","text":"如果我們從去年的兩千八百多點上漲到三萬五千多點……","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:40.856000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:41.856000+08:00","text":"是兩萬八千多點。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:41.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:42.577000+08:00","text":"現在是correction到三萬三、三萬二的話，我覺得還是正常的。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:53.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:55.467000+08:00","text":"所以跌得很正常就對了？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:55.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:56.967000+08:00","text":"是，還算正常的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆：你覺得跌得很正常，「央行總裁","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:59.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:38:59.608000+08:00","text":"臺灣股市跌得很正常。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆：你覺得跌得很正常，「央行總裁","start":"2026-03-30T09:38:59.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:00.108000+08:00","text":"」我這樣講可以吧？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:01.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:15.074000+08:00","text":"我不是股市專家，但是價格……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:15.074000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:16.074000+08:00","text":"你是央行總裁啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:15.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:27.970000+08:00","text":"包括匯率對股市、金融資產，上上下下都是正常的，只是比較怕上漲得太高，結果跌下來跌得太重。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:27.970000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:28.970000+08:00","text":"我們過去有沒有上漲太高？什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:28.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:29.552000+08:00","text":"我們前一陣子有沒有上漲太高？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:33.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:36.275000+08:00","text":"我不是股市專家，我想……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:36.275000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:37.275000+08:00","text":"你是財經專家啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:37.275000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:38.275000+08:00","text":"你是央行總裁啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:36.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:39:40.336000+08:00","text":"我也不要在這邊做某種的……這樣的話，有些股民有時候會聽得不爽快，我還是不要發表意見好了。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆：你剛才已經發表很多了！「楊金龍總裁","start":"2026-03-30T09:39:59.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:04.356000+08:00","text":"現在股市向下是修正、正常狀況、什麼都不怕」，你的意思就是這樣？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:05.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:11.037000+08:00","text":"不是，我的意思不是什麼都不必怕，不是這樣，還是要謹慎。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:12.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:18.999000+08:00","text":"每一個人的投資動機都不大一樣，所以我在這邊講的時候，沒辦法對每一個人投資的動機……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:18.999000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:19.999000+08:00","text":"我知道，股市是錢在相殺，這個東西……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:19.999000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:20.999000+08:00","text":"投資人要注意、要謹慎，我只能這麼說。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:20.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:21.861000+08:00","text":"你今天講央行估算油價全年均價一桶85塊錢，對不對？對。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:21.861000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:37.361000+08:00","text":"是否低估？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:37.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:39.044000+08:00","text":"現在我們了解大部分的機構現在的中位數大部分都是說85塊，用85塊估算。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:39.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:39.684000+08:00","text":"萬一漲到150呢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:54.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:56.346000+08:00","text":"到時候再重新……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:56.346000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:57.967000+08:00","text":"再重新來？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:57.967000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:40:59.588000+08:00","text":"對，再重新分析。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:40:59.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:00.088000+08:00","text":"150是什麼概念？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:00.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:03.471000+08:00","text":"漲到150就代表全面打仗了。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:05.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:10.216000+08:00","text":"不過我也可以這麼說，如果漲到200塊、漲到250塊呢？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:10.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:25.016000+08:00","text":"我總覺得這種機率不是很高，以目前來講的話都不是很高，我也可以說漲到1,000塊，這個機率就近乎零，所以還是要看機率。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:25.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:26.577000+08:00","text":"你要小心，假如漲到1,000塊，大家會怕死！","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:26.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:29.377000+08:00","text":"沒有，我說一年會漲到1,000塊機率是零，所以我的意思就是漲到哪裡要有依據，不要隨便就說會200塊、300塊、400塊。","quality":0.732},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:29.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:30.138000+08:00","text":"因為現在已經一百多啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:30.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:41:31.698000+08:00","text":"沙烏地阿拉伯官員說180。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:41:51.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:03.267000+08:00","text":"他講這一句話的意思是某一個時點可能會漲到這個金額，但是全年平均有可能嗎？會。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:42:03.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:42:07.209000+08:00","text":"這就是看機率怎麼樣，這是要用機率去……","qua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-03-30T09:44:49.520000+08:00","text":"現在有嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:48.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:51.082000+08:00","text":"到目前為止沒有，輸入性通膨就跟我們匯率有關。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:51.082000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:44:59.433000+08:00","text":"我們CPI多少？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:44:59.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:05.442000+08:00","text":"我的時間有限，你回答我的問題就好了，臺幣改版100塊、200塊、500塊、1,000塊、2,000塊通通要改嗎？","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:07.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:08.325000+08:00","text":"我們現在還在考量。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:08.325000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:09.325000+08:00","text":"通通要改嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:08.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:12.247000+08:00","text":"不過其他先進國家的鈔票面額，有的有八張、有七張的、有六張的、有五張的、也有四張的，但是大部分都在五張以上。","quality":0.761},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:12.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:12.508000+08:00","text":"我們是五張。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:12.508000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:37.765000+08:00","text":"我們是五張。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:37.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:42.348000+08:00","text":"我算一下，100塊錢的市占率大概25%到35%。對。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:42.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:42.829000+08:00","text":"200塊錢小於1%；2,000塊3%到5%；1,000塊40%到50%；500塊15%到25%。是。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:42.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:58.188000+08:00","text":"如果要改，200跟2,000就乾脆不要了。不過……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:58.188000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:45:59.188000+08:00","text":"2,000不好用，200塊沒什麼在用啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:45:58.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:01.849000+08:00","text":"不過委員，每一個國家有幾張、幾張，也不是哪一張比較低就把它淘汰掉，沒有，這是搭配。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:01.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:04.550000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員說這一張不要，這是就你個人來看，就整體來看的話，這個搭配起來是很好的啊！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:04.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:31.058000+08:00","text":"沒什麼在用，而且市面上也沒看到，200塊的市占率小於1%。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:31.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:42.305000+08:00","text":"事實上，很多國家二字頭的流通率都很低，但是他們也沒有因為流用率很低就把它剔除掉，沒有這樣。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:43.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:47.568000+08:00","text":"這不是重點，你總共要花多少錢改版？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:47.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:52.631000+08:00","text":"我們已經講得很清楚，如果改版的話，一張大概會增加成本1.5塊錢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:52.631000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:53.631000+08:00","text":"所以總共多少錢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:53.631000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:54.631000+08:00","text":"你聽不懂嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:46:54.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:46:55.175000+08:00","text":"看總量嘛！50億？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:03.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:03.278000+08:00","text":"不一定。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:08.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:10.380000+08:00","text":"反正都用張數來計算，1.5……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:11.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:13.241000+08:00","text":"上次你們講50億啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:13.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:20.823000+08:00","text":"那是大概，說實在，到現在為止都很難說是多少。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:20.823000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:21.843000+08:00","text":"上次你們講50億。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:21.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:28.385000+08:00","text":"最後一題，有關第七波信用管制，打炒房其實讓房市現在幾乎已經硬著陸了。","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:29.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:30.145000+08:00","text":"現在有硬著陸嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:33.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:37.988000+08:00","text":"在硬著陸的路上，所以你現在……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊總裁金龍","start":"2026-03-30T09:47:38.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T09:47:39.469000+08:00","text":"我們很密切的注意。","qual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