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卷證是書面處理一個是電腦處理 其實就是兩份工作其實這也是為什麼書記官會不來報到是最大的原因他等於是一個人做兩份工作 是的 是的那再過來 那當然後續是一樣工作 可是就是兩份工作那我們還有"},{"start":566.537,"end":582.288,"text":"薪水很低 職等很低其實書記官剛進來4萬塊那如果一進來就是這麼恐怖的工作的話所以我們常常會有第二天報到完第二天就不來了是 本期也看到 董事長當然您的"},{"start":584.649,"end":601.833,"text":"第一線同仁的委屈我們都理解但是您是會秘書長這不能變成是抱怨大會所以我現在本席提出來是說能夠協助我們都願意來協助但重點是第一 援俄的問題嘛第二是待遇的問題那待遇司法法治委員會已經有協助加這個津貼了"},{"start":602.293,"end":623.458,"text":"好 那我們現在要問的是原額問題有沒有計畫來去爭取以及怎麼解決這才是我們想要看到的這也是才能讓第一線的書記官放心是說真的司法院有在動作好 公委員報告原額部分我們是一直在爭取一直被拒絕被誰拒絕人總啊人總 那人總上面是誰"},{"start":630.458,"end":654.83,"text":"不是 這很心酸啊對啊 就這樣啊 可是我們真的是那另外 老實說啦 求人還是要求進來 那這樣子 我說實在話每年五院不是我們新春開春的時候總統都召集五院院長查序嗎除了立法行政院長有去的時候我們司法院院長他去的時候也應該跟總統反應一下"},{"start":655.59,"end":684.596,"text":"我們希望 對不是希望啦所以我要邀請妳妳要幫我們第一線的我們努力沒有這樣 我今天真的 我很持平的講是因為我們也有很多同的這種法律相關的這一些科系的從業人員或是書記官的朋友那確實第一線的辛苦如同您剛剛講的您剛剛講的都算保守你說兩份工作你說這一些行政都需要但我們現在要看的是中華民國政府是一體的要拿出辦法"},{"start":685.436,"end":710.941,"text":"而不是你推我我推你那到最後不然就是請招委我們再排一次請人總跟司法院一起來然後兩項對質另外還有一個總員額法其實這邊如果突破人數的話就突破那是不是能夠提出來我覺得這個本來就是司法院本來就行這個本來也可以提的我們讓一起來努力但重點在於是說不要我們這個變成是我們變成是一個考古題變成是一個這個"},{"start":713.344,"end":739.931,"text":"這樣講比較抱歉啦 就是會期題啊月經題 會期題就變成是每一次會期開始之後我們就一直又問這個問題但本席為什麼今天還特別感謝趙偉多給我一些時間但本席為什麼多提出來就是因為如果再不動作的話缺口只會越來越大那您剛剛也已經講到了書記官現在的工作根本就是兩人工作那一股只有一個書記官的話那根本做不來根本的問題連我們自己的子女可能都不想讓他去當書記官"},{"start":740.731,"end":743.523,"text":"跟委員報告 中研合法我們不是主管機關"},{"start":744.69,"end":771.993,"text":"那也是要溝通啊 也是要突破啊對啊 我們就要突破 本席 本席今天點出這個問題我希望看到司法院積極的態度不管是跟其他行政部門的溝通 積極態度我們這邊立法院一定會幫忙推一把但重點是司法院要有積極的態度因為你們身為主管機關就應該要來為第一線的書記官發聲 好不好我一定會再繼續追這個議題 我們一起努力 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:23:45.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:23:47.534000+08:00","text":"主席謝謝，麻煩請司法院秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-30T11:23:47.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:23:48.235000+08:00","text":"請高秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:23:48.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:24:17.849000+08:00","text":"秘書長，今天感謝召委安排這個專報，最主要也是因為看到3月中律師在法院受到攻擊的事件，但這個應該不會是一個個案，我覺得我們應該要整體檢討的是，現在在各法院開庭的時候有沒有治安或秩序沒有辦法維持的狀況。","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:24:17.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:24:47.567000+08:00","text":"因此，我想要講的是，2018年也有調查新竹地院的人犯逃脫事件，當時也有看到3名法警輪值，而造成沒有加派戒護的狀況，現在可不可以比較明確地讓我們知道過去一年或過去三年，在法院裡面到底有多少這樣子的攻擊事件、攜帶違禁品或是妨害法庭秩序的狀況？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:24:48.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:24:49.648000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有做相關統計？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:24:49.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:24:57.871000+08:00","text":"有，其實各法院都會有相關資料，只是我手邊一下子沒辦法告訴委員總共有幾件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:24:58.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:25:21.244000+08:00","text":"因為我們比較難理解的是，照理講，法院就是一個公家機關，而且是一個執法機關，在這裡面都沒有辦法維持秩序，可是另外一點，回過頭來講，你剛剛也有提到，委員質詢時也有講，畢竟是兩造雙方都在那邊，所以可能難免有情緒，現在到底哪一些法院妨害法庭秩序的狀況是比較嚴重的？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:25:23.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:25:29.033000+08:00","text":"我相信各法院妨害法庭秩序應該都不會很嚴重，只是我們不容許有一件發生。當然。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:25:30.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:25:41.727000+08:00","text":"這是最重要，剛剛委員提到帶違禁品出入法院，其實是很多，所以我們第一線法警在門口是非常落實檢查違禁品的攜入。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:25:44.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:25:49.388000+08:00","text":"是不是能夠給本席一個相關資料，過去一年或過去三年裡面……","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:25:49.388000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T11:25:51.909000+08:00","text":"是，可以，有一些違禁行為……","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:25:51.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:25:55.129000+08:00","text":"違禁行為或危害秩序行為，給我一個統計。是。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:25:55.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:26:26.075000+08:00","text":"再來，本席也想要跟你討論一下，因為本席聽到很多的陳情，這也是過去到現在很多團體要求的，也就是在法院裡面被害者的角色，加害者當然是坐在裡面，由檢察官對他做一些審理，但不管是被害者或被害者家屬，其實都沒有一個固定座位，甚至被害者或被害者家屬沒有辦法去做案件陳述，最後法官要判決的時候，可能會請被害者或被害者家屬來講述意見，但實際上是都已經走完整個程序了，現在也有人講是不是應該要針對這個部分修法，我想請教一下秘書長的看法？","quality":0.557},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:26:27.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:26:27.936000+08:00","text":"關於刑事訴訟法、關於被害人參與的部分，我們……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:26:50.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:27:04.669000+08:00","text":"其實很多人，不管是律師、法律學者也都有相關建議，這已經不是第一次了，我們也正式提出案子，也有很多委員共同參與連署，因此我今天特別利用這個機會就教秘書長。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:27:05.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:27:34.466000+08:00","text":"其實在刑事訴訟法裡面有規定，在科刑程序前，就像委員所說的，一定要讓被害人參與，剛剛委員也提到，在法組法裡面，關於被害人在法庭的席位是沒有規定，所以我們這次也要把它列入，讓被害人有席位，不是專用席位，被害人的專用席位……","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:27:34.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:27:37.289000+08:00","text":"就是被害人的專屬位。對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:27:38.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:27:43.134000+08:00","text":"他不是跟著旁聽席坐在那邊。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:27:43.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:27:44.736000+08:00","text":"不是旁聽席，他會坐在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:27:44.736000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T11:27:54.215000+08:00","text":"你們的意見要不要先一致……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:27:54.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:28:13.109000+08:00","text":"我們沒有把他列出一個專用席位，可是會請他跟檢察官坐在一起，如果他到庭的話，那邊剛好有空位，就請他坐那邊，我們是沒有一個名牌的專用席，這樣子而已。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:28:13.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:28:17.632000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我想確認一下，現行就已經這樣做了，還是你們預計要做這樣的修法？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:28:21.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:28:22.456000+08:00","text":"沒有，各個法官……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-30T11:28:22.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:28:24.958000+08:00","text":"請秘書長把麥克風拿近一點。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:28:24.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:28:27+08:00","text":"麥克風可能要靠近一點。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:28:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:28:31.023000+08:00","text":"細節部分我可不可以請我們司行廳吳廳長說明？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:28:31.023000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T11:28:32.184000+08:00","text":"他對細節比較清楚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:28:32.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:28:33.225000+08:00","text":"沒有問題，簡要說明一下。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳廳長祚丞","start":"2026-03-30T11:28:34.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:28:57.703000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實就是因為法院組織法授權司法院要訂立一個法院的席位布置規則，現在以刑事法庭為例，它會設一個區域是給刑事的被害人和告訴人坐的，我們當時是儘量把它安排在比較接近檢察官的位置，不是接近被告的那一端。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"吳廳長祚丞","start":"2026-03-30T11:28:58.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:29:13.752000+08:00","text":"剛剛秘書長說的確實沒錯，有時候被害人比較多的時候，那個席位可能會不太夠，所以就會稍微往旁邊坐一些，但是基本上，法官的訴訟指揮還是會儘量讓被害人和被告這邊有區隔，以上說明。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:29:14.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:29:30.647000+08:00","text":"好，秘書長，既然我們已經有往這個方向來邁進，本席也認為是不是能夠有法制化或更明確的規範，以及在案件的審理過程當中，被害人或是被害人家屬的意見表達，其實也是相當重要。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:29:35.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:29:45.032000+08:00","text":"其實刑事訴訟法已經規定法官在訴訟指揮上面，本來就是要讓被害人去陳述意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:29:45.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:30:08.526000+08:00","text":"但是我們現在看到很多的實際狀況是到最後已經都審理完畢，法官可能再給被害人或是被害人家屬一個說明的機會，這個時候也許早已經有自由心證、也許判決都已經差不多了，所以這個部分的重要性和意見表達的時候在哪裡？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:30:08.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:30:14.310000+08:00","text":"其實這也是很多被害者，也有很多民間團體，他們一直在陳情的狀況。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:30:15.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:30:44.506000+08:00","text":"現在其實在科刑陳述的時候應該會有，對於被害影響陳述這個區塊，如果各界還是質疑法官在審判程序上，是不是要給這些被害人更多的陳述機會，我們會在教育上再次提醒，其實法規是有的，我們會再次提醒法官。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:30:46.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:31:06.853000+08:00","text":"秘書長，其實你的回答滿正向的，你也認為應該要參照，在案件裡面被害者是最直接的，他的意見表達也算是重要，所以未來提出相關修法的時候，我們會進一步就教，針對這個部分，我們也希望司法院是一個比較開放的態度，能夠往審理更好的公平正義方向來邁進。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:31:07.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:31:36.906000+08:00","text":"最後一點，我只簡單提醒一下，因為這也是很多的陳情跟抱怨，現在書記官的人數確實不足，尤其是現在的新收案件數，全國法院2022年357萬件，到2025年也許會突破425萬件，但是書記官的報到率只有50%左右，而且全國缺額超過400人，哪一個法院缺額最多？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:31:38.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:31:39.137000+08:00","text":"前三名是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:31:39.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:31:43.341000+08:00","text":"應該是沒有報到最多就是北三院。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:31:44.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:31:54.953000+08:00","text":"北三院的案件量也最大，可能案件的複雜性也最高、可能相關的內容也最繁瑣。是的。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:31:54.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:32:02.222000+08:00","text":"然後它的缺席率就是沒有報到率也最高，我們要怎麼樣做，因為這已經不是……其實……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:32:02.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:32:13.568000+08:00","text":"冰凍三尺，非一日之寒，這不是第一次提出的問題，其實司法及法制委員會幾乎每個會期都會有委員提醒，但到目前為止，感覺缺口是越來越大。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:32:15.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:32:53.873000+08:00","text":"首先，當然要謝謝召委，還有委員會支持我們讓書記官的專業加給提高到六千多塊，雖然不多，也是有感覺，可是跟委員報告，其實以書記官現在的業務量跟早期的工作量來講，我個人認為一股法官應該有兩個書記官，因為一個是書面處理，卷證是書面處理，一個是電腦處理，其實就是兩份工作，這也是為什麼書記官會不來報到最大的原因，因為業務量太大了。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:32:54.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:32:56.174000+08:00","text":"他等於是一個人要做兩份工作。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:32:56.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:33:18.587000+08:00","text":"是的，再來，當然後續是一樣的工作，可是就是兩份工作，還有薪水很低、職等很低，其實書記官剛進來是4萬塊，可是如果一進來就是這麼恐怖的工作的話，所以我們常常會有報到完第二天就不來了。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:33:19.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:33:39.812000+08:00","text":"秘書長，本席也有看到，第一線同仁的委屈，我們都理解，但你身為秘書長，這不能變成是抱怨大會，所以現在本席提出來，能夠協助的我們都願意來協助，重點第一個是員額問題；第二個是待遇問題，待遇部分，司法及法制委員會已經有協助增加津貼。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:33:39.812000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-30T11:33:40.893000+08:00","text":"對，專業加給。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:33:40.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:33:46.175000+08:00","text":"我們現在要問的是員額問題，你們有沒有計畫去爭取以及怎麼解決？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:33:46.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:33:53.756000+08:00","text":"這才是我們想要看到的，才能讓第一線的書記官放心，司法院真的有在動作。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-03-30T11:33:55.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:34:00.558000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，關於員額部分，我們是一直在爭取、一直被拒絕。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-03-30T11:34:00.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-30T11:34:00.738000+08:00","te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