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我請部長來說說明部長 我想您去年已經讓院長在這邊口誤然後導致我們地方的一個笑話所以本席希望你把這個重症拿回去做研議本席現在 等一下等一下 部長 本席因為還有一題"},{"start":1686.671,"end":1710.776,"text":"這一題跟觀光來講很重要那您先聽完本席這一題您再做相關的這個回應啦好不好那主委基本上就是原住民的科技教育請不要忘記那接下來本席要談的跟觀光有關那關於嘉義市的這個嘉義市線的高鐵連外軌道的這樣一個連集其實最主要本席在這邊提醒請以南方新矽谷的一個層級"},{"start":1712.676,"end":1736.669,"text":"來做相關的建設投入指引這個是本席做一個結論那接下來本席要主委謝謝本席要談的是台灣的朝聖之路那我想這個應該在院長剛就職的時候本席也有提到那相關的這個單位我們有時候也有一些討論那我想那個院長應該知道那長距離的這個徒步是一種新的"},{"start":1737.449,"end":1759.412,"text":"旅遊型態那本席作為一個朝聖者不太喜歡講旅遊跟觀光但是基本上他在觀光的領域裡面可以辟出一個永續現代性所以在這個部分全世界有兩個世界遺產一個是西班牙的聖雅各路那一個是日本的這個熊野古道這一個體系所以這個道路"},{"start":1760.873,"end":1777.709,"text":"這個概念可能在台灣在過去大家比較沒有可是近年來其實很多人都徒步的在台灣走那這個概念是什麼呢它其實現在已經成為西班牙一個重要的品牌它也帶動沿線小鎮的一個地方發展時間的限制本席很快的講也就是說"},{"start":1778.49,"end":1792.757,"text":"我們可不可以從過去景點式的觀光模式然後來談現在的文化路徑跟漫遊觀光那需要你們的是可不可以做一個整合性的會議來建置各傳教士在台灣的軌跡那幾點建議"},{"start":1794.918,"end":1811.146,"text":"第一個是是不是可以請你們把台灣目前最吹的一塊最缺的一塊徒步邁遊需要的軟硬體建設比如說庇護所可以透過空間的活化政府的一個推動來引領民間把它做得起來這個是"},{"start":1812.627,"end":1830.08,"text":"可能大家在這個經驗上本行因為經驗時間有關係只能直接談這樣一個詞那接下來是那個相關的行銷是不是可以協助另外在這個花蓮有相關的這個海岸徒步道路是不是也可以請觀光局觀光署來"},{"start":1850.731,"end":1856.153,"text":"好謝謝林憲齊國元、謝謝左院長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:49:21.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:49:22.909000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我請卓院長，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-31T09:49:22.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:49:23.089000+08:00","text":"卓院長請備詢。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T09:49:23.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:49:23.129000+08:00","text":"林委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:49:23.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:49:23.289000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:49:23.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:49:25.850000+08:00","text":"本席一開始要來為蒼生請命，本席先就軍公教相關預算的編列來請教院長跟人事長。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:49:50.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:49:58.258000+08:00","text":"最近預算卡關，本席這邊要跟你們提醒，其實問題是出在行政院沒有依法完整編列預算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:49:58.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:50:11.862000+08:00","text":"去年立法院就已經通過了軍人加薪、警消退休的保障還有停砍年金的這些重要法案，但是行政院沒有把應該編的編上，結果國會沒有辦法審。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:50:11.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:50:15.923000+08:00","text":"然後國會今年又顧及民生需求，通過了718億的預算，但行政院卻選擇不執行。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:50:15.923000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T09:50:18.804000+08:00","text":"你們說很急著要用錢，可是又不執行我們過的預算，那這個部分是不是可以請你先做一個回應？","quality":0.051},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T09:50:18.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:50:41.023000+08:00","text":"委員應該非常清楚，身為立法委員，立法院跟行政院的職權是什麼，行政院是編定預算，立法院是審議預算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:50:41.023000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T09:50:42.023000+08:00","text":"是的，所以我們要好好看緊人民的荷包。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T09:50:41.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:50:44.946000+08:00","text":"如果立法院可以替行政院編預算，就破壞了權力分立原則。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:50:53.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:50:57.817000+08:00","text":"院長，我們沒有替你們編預算，我們也有提醒你們應該要編的要編上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:50:58.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:02.401000+08:00","text":"我們都在合法的基礎上，大家才能夠往前走，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:51:03.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:05.083000+08:00","text":"最近貴黨的大老也說了，是不是……","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T09:51:05.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:05.823000+08:00","text":"如果只是提醒，行政院很感謝，但這種提醒變成一種壓迫。","quality":0.391},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:51:12.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:20.772000+08:00","text":"是不是要把應該編的趕快編上，讓所有應該進行的進行，包括立法院已經給你們718億的預算，應該趕快來做。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T09:51:20.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:21.732000+08:00","text":"今年行政院的3兆350億就是應該編的，我們已經編了3兆350億。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:51:21.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:24.273000+08:00","text":"應該做的軍人加薪，還有相關的各種經費也趕快編上，好不好？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T09:51:24.273000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:30.976000+08:00","text":"這個部分違背權力分立，我們已送請大法官解釋。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:51:30.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:34.899000+08:00","text":"在大法官解釋還沒有出來之前，我們就依法來處理，好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:51:35.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:41.703000+08:00","text":"本席這邊要針對軍公教待遇調整法制化的進程追一下進度。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:51:42.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:51:59.513000+08:00","text":"過去軍公教的調薪常常都是以個案處理的方式進行，沒有一個明確的法制依據，常常導致爭議反覆出現，所以本席在這邊要求軍公教調薪法制化的作業要趕快送審。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:52:00.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:52:08.916000+08:00","text":"我相信人事長去年也很有誠意地把該做的都做了，但是我們也談到最後一哩路好像遲遲沒有到達。","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:52:09.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:52:15.098000+08:00","text":"距離去年10月我們提到最後一哩路這件事大概已經又過半年了，目前的進度是如何？","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:52:15.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:52:19.220000+08:00","text":"所以軍公教人員待遇條例什麼時候要送進立法院？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2026-03-31T09:52:22.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:52:43.449000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告一下，這要考慮到一些不同的面向，因為現有的機制當然就誠如委員講的，如果要法制化的話，就是把一些遊戲規則訂得更加明確，對於目前大家所關心的，我們每年調待都有找基層的公教人員。","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:52:44.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:52:46.010000+08:00","text":"其實這個部分也蠻重要的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2026-03-31T09:52:46.010000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T09:52:47.010000+08:00","text":"對，要讓他們參與。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:52:46.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:52:54.216000+08:00","text":"可能在這個過程當中，擴大讓更多基層人員來參與決策的過程，我想應該也是要考量的。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:52:54.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:01.482000+08:00","text":"最重要的就是，我相信您大概也做到一個階段了，希望這最後一哩路能夠趕快實踐，好不好？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:02.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:04.844000+08:00","text":"你也要多保重，好嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"蘇人事長俊榮","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:04.844000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:05.844000+08:00","text":"我們再……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:04.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:07.306000+08:00","text":"要為國珍重，加油啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:07.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:09.648000+08:00","text":"最後一哩路走快一點，好不好？好。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:12.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:13.765000+08:00","text":"人事長請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:14.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:31.935000+08:00","text":"接下來的這個部分，本席要先跟院長分享一下，今年農曆過年前本席去了一次西亞，就是大家比較習慣講的中東，但是以臺灣的觀點來看，因為它在我們的西邊，就是西亞。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:34.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:40.018000+08:00","text":"也很巧合，這次美伊戰爭所打到的國家，正好本席都在過年前去了。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:40.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:46.320000+08:00","text":"本席會去最主要有兩件事情：第一個是參加比賽；然後第二個部分是做國會交流。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:46.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:53.382000+08:00","text":"本席也很高興在這次參加的賽事中有幸得到名次，拿到了銀牌。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:55.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:53:55.203000+08:00","text":"恭喜委員。謝謝。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:53:56.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:54:08.935000+08:00","text":"有些朋友也藉此機會交流運動、健身、得獎的一些經驗，所以本席認為整個運動政策能做好的話，其實是可以激起很大的漣漪。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:54:10.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:54:23.987000+08:00","text":"尤其是近幾年中華隊在國際的賽事上也有很亮眼的成績，不論是奧運、亞運或者是各項國際比賽，我們都一直突破紀錄，也藉此讓世界看到了我們。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:54:24.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:54:31.548000+08:00","text":"本席這次在整個西亞的賽事當中其實看到了很多東西，包括剛才您可能看到的那一張ppt。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:54:34.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:54:43.531000+08:00","text":"本席很訝異，西亞這些國家在運動賽事上，本席不僅有在一些傳播媒體上看到，在親身的經驗上竟也令我非常地訝異。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:54:44.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:54:56.358000+08:00","text":"除了本席到阿聯酋參加的那個賽事，我對阿聯酋竟然能夠提供這些相關的設備也非常地驚訝。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:54:56.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:55:17.015000+08:00","text":"另外，在賽事的過程當中，本席也去做了運動城市的觀摩，結果發現他們不僅在一些項目上竟然走得這麼快，甚至也很訝異，比如剛才我們看到一張圖，這個是他們的配鬪球，我不知道部長知不知道臺灣的配鬪球目前有幾個球場？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-03-31T09:55:19.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:55:20.155000+08:00","text":"確實不太清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:55:22.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:55:42.370000+08:00","text":"臺灣的球場目前比較侷限，目前有兩座，本席在西亞就看到了一百多座，所以要達到運動首都的格局，我們還有一些路要走，不僅是這樣，配鬪球也是今年名古屋亞運的項目，所以您要注意一下。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:55:42.370000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T09:55:50.137000+08:00","text":"其實不僅做了城市的觀摩，本席也正好在巴林王國碰到了我們的身障羽球隊，有機會為他們加油，所以非常感動，也因為這樣的原因，對於場館、設施和許多周邊的整個發展，本席有很深的接觸，所以這邊要提供一些經驗讓運動部來做參考。","quality":0.165},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:55:50.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:56:31.012000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要講的是本席有發現西亞國家是怎麼做的，基本上，臺灣運動體系的改進空間，我們是不是可以考量運動行政與訓練基地的連結？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:56:31.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:56:45.520000+08:00","text":"運動員退役以後，要怎麼樣精進和支持，我想這個是很重要的，但是臺灣的運動政策現在是從選手培訓，本席私下跟你交流，知道你很有心，希望能夠把運動推到全民化。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:56:46.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:56:50.202000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣來推動整個運動發展體系？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:56:51.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:57:24.145000+08:00","text":"這個體系要有一個基礎，就像剛才本席所講的，本席發現，我們不太注意的這些國家竟然可以有這樣的規格，像本席自己參加的賽事，還有整個城市的賽事，本席就發現，其實這在整個運動聚落上的建立是一個很重要的部分，包括國家運動訓練中心等等，以及國家運動的場館，行政與場館合一，還有觀光的推動其實對整個城市有很大的影響。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:57:25.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:57:29.189000+08:00","text":"本席從這個經驗來講，是不是可以跟您分享一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:57:35.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:57:38.216000+08:00","text":"我先講一下中東的經驗以及西亞的經驗。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:57:38.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:58:16.624000+08:00","text":"我們看到沙烏地阿拉伯有推動大型體育城的計畫，卡達透過Aspire Zone的模式來整合體育、行政、運動學院以及世界級的場館，我們也在幾年前卡達主辦的足球賽看到他們的量能，包括交通也是，還有中東地區在國際賽事的持續提升，包括在奧運的田徑項目，還有亞洲盃的足球賽或大型賽事的舉辦，甚至剛才本席講的，我們臺灣只有兩座配鬪球的球場，他們有一百多座配鬪球的球場，而且這個是亞運的項目。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:58:17.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:58:40.251000+08:00","text":"我們各類賽事在國際規格的穩定成長應該是作為我們運動政策一個很重要的節點，所以本席想請教院長，未來運動部有沒有可能參考國際的經驗，思考將行政與場館整合的運動治理模式，來評估運動行政與國家訓練基地整合設置的可能性，把運動部遷到高雄？","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T09:58:42.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:59:01.928000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員帶來很多其他國家在運動推動上面讓我們可以學習、了解的知識，每個國家都有他獨特的特性、每個國家的強項或是國民所熱愛的運動品項是不一樣的，我們願意接觸更多，在我們傳統強項之外，接觸更多的新興項目……","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:59:02.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:59:27.850000+08:00","text":"你講到這個，我還想到，這次在阿布達比的比賽，他們真的也有傳統的項目，那幾個傳統的項目對我們來講很特別，而且他們舉辦的場地對於大家來講也是一種新的認識，包括本席參加的帆船賽是國際規格的單一船型，但是在阿布達比，對於阿聯酋傳統的項目，他們也有這樣子一個帆船賽。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:59:27.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T09:59:42.228000+08:00","text":"您講到傳統的項目，本席也是非常認同，所以希望未來有機會，原住民的相關傳統項目也應該納入在國際比賽的規格裡面，謝謝您這邊的提醒，這個國際經驗是有的。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T09:59:43.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:00:02.275000+08:00","text":"所以我們不太注意的這個地方竟然有這樣一個量能，真的是值得我們學習，所以本席要提到的是，場館跟行政的合一，你們真的應該來考量一下，如果運動部能夠遷到高雄的話，或許也有這樣一個推動條件跟帶動的機會。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:00:02.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:00:37.740000+08:00","text":"本席在設施的強化上提三個面向，請你們考量一下，在城市場館的量能、各類運動場的場地數，以及承辦各種不同賽事的條件，來串聯國家運動園區，包括高雄的楠梓、左營、苓雅、鳳山、橋頭等等，現在連動到科技園區，大家其實有這樣的需求，而就本席觀察杜拜跟阿布達比的經驗，這裡也有這樣的條件。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:00:37.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:01:47.589000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，我相信部長應該也蠻認同的，因為你們去年編了一筆跟國際賽事有關的經費，所以看起來你們應該在國際賽事的承辦上也一直有一些想法，高雄自從2009年世運之後，我們的國家體育館也持續爭取辦理國際的賽事，包括足球、橄欖球、田徑等，這些都符合國家場館的規劃跟設計，但是就本席在高雄的觀察，近年來整個世運主場館經常承辦很多大型的演唱會，商業的藝文活動變成了一個主軸，當然，好好的活用是一件事，但是重點是，因為這樣子，像113年我們有發生跑道受損的事件，後來還有紐西蘭的國家隊來到臺灣，發現這個運動場其實是會讓他們的選手受傷，還包括我們自己在113年高雄市中等學校運動會的田徑項目，竟然發生跑道嚴重損害，結果還要改期。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:01:49.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:01:56.620000+08:00","text":"所以本席要提醒，藝文活動當然很好，本席是學藝術文化的，當然也很支持，但是很重要的是，運動場館是不是應該優先確保運動產業的基礎，才能夠真正長期的發展，並帶動都市的永續？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:02:05.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:02:19.054000+08:00","text":"第三個部分，專業運動設施的系統性規劃其實可以從這裡做一個延展，本席要就教部長，高雄現在的各類場館、羽球場、網球場的數量是不是足夠支撐國際賽事？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:02:19.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:02:42.331000+08:00","text":"還包括新興的項目，比如說哪天我們有機會來玩配鬪球，高雄就沒有場地；我們如果打網球，我不知道現在從網球改成匹克球的球場又有多少；棒球的部分是本席從小一直看到大，本席念前金國小、前金國中，所以一直看著立德棒球場，從過去的榮景，到中間的調整，一直到未來還不知道要怎麼發展。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:02:42.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:02:58.544000+08:00","text":"本席看到前幾天臺南國際球場的盛況，不禁讓本席想起，高雄的立德棒球場是不是也可以藉這個機會，成為整個運動首都建設的其中一環？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:02:58.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:03:10.412000+08:00","text":"我們好好的再讓運動的基礎設施及賽事的承辦能力帶動商業發展，讓高雄成為一個有趣的城市、一個運動首都，不曉得你們的看法如何？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:03:10.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:03:22.876000+08:00","text":"好，我等一下請部長說明，我們成立運動部最主要是推動全民運動，還要加強適應體育，所以全民運動一定要在社區有更多的運動場地，可以讓更多的人來學習。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:03:23.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:03:29.439000+08:00","text":"委員說高雄的部分，高雄已經有左訓中心，確實那就是一個我們奪金計畫的重鎮。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:03:29.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:03:36.241000+08:00","text":"它是奪金計畫，所以我們都仰望這個金，讓這個金來帶動全民的體育，我想這應該是很有動能的。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:03:37.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:03:45.667000+08:00","text":"高雄的左訓中心已經是非常大的規模了，部長對高雄左訓中心也非常非常關注。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:03:45.667000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:03:46.667000+08:00","text":"對，而且我們的國家運動科學中心也都在那邊嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:03:45.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:03:47.348000+08:00","text":"部長，您就是在那邊訓練，然後奪金，對不對？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:03:47.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:03:48.549000+08:00","text":"部長已經提出一個四年的計畫，請部長來說明他怎麼來看所有場地的興建跟維護。","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:03:56.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:04:16.683000+08:00","text":"部長，在高雄，如果我們針對整個系統性的場館設施，連同左營的計畫，我們知道你們現在有一些建設在裡面，為了帶動整個城市的發展，我們有沒有可能運動部到高雄、有沒有可能藉這個機會從高雄拓展出去，讓大南部地區成為一個運動的新興城市呢？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-03-31T10:04:17.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:04:33.589000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這邊非常感謝行政院在我們運動部成立之後，對於優化全民運動賽事這個計畫一直都有在支持，我們當然就如同委員所講的，其實不只是高雄，我覺得我們很多地方的設施、設備都有需要優化及興建的可能性。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:04:34.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:04:48.054000+08:00","text":"對，謝謝你把這個列為一個政策的重點，最重要的就是思考一下運動部南遷來帶動周邊，包括高雄還有其他城市的全民運動賽事跟運動的全民化，好不好？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:04:48.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:04:50.635000+08:00","text":"您是不是做個思考，然後回去研議一下？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:04:50.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:05:02.319000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，高雄已經有左訓中心，我們全國也不一定就是集中在高雄，甚至我現在在想我們這樣好的場館、管理跟未來培訓可以往東部來發展。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:05:03.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:05:26.731000+08:00","text":"謝謝，如果你們有這樣一個想法，我覺得也是可以研議，然後我們再來做討論，本席給你們一個思維，是不是可以走出臺北，然後有一些其他的發展，因為目前高雄是最聚焦的，它能夠成為運動首都的可能性也很高，如果從高雄再帶動到東部，我想這是一個很不錯的方向。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:05:27.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:05:28.552000+08:00","text":"我們可以來做均衡的發展。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:05:30.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:05:30.093000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:05:30.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:06:02.889000+08:00","text":"接下來還有一點跟運動有關，本席要談的是原住民的教育，本席先談這個部分，其實本席關注的是原住民族的科技教育，但是跟運動部最直接相關的就是，運動部成立之後有運動科學中心，你們也知道在整個運動的發展上，原住民有很多選手，甚至也帶動了很傑出的教練，對不對？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:06:04.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:06:19.295000+08:00","text":"所以在整個運動科技人才的發展上，跟運動部最直接相關的就是，我們是不是可以在運動科技的部分加強、強化、深化，讓它更廣、讓更多的人來參與運動科技？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:06:19.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:06:41.622000+08:00","text":"比如說，本席先前就已經有跟貴單位談到的運動資料分析師的名額，基本上就有點像情蒐，也很感謝部裡面給原住民一些名額，但是我們希望名額能夠再多。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:06:42.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:06:53.366000+08:00","text":"今年本席跟你們談的是一個旗艦計畫，你們可不可以在這個旗艦計畫上先訓練出一批不錯的原住民，然後再由原住民去帶動運動科技的人才？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:06:54.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:07:04.232000+08:00","text":"最近我們知道很直接的就是運動數據分析師這樣的訓練，是不是也請你們在48人裡面，可以多給我們一些名額？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:07:04.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:07:14.038000+08:00","text":"目前我們知道至少保證2位，是不是可以再更擴大，讓我們在整個運動科技上能夠不要在別人之後，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-03-31T10:07:15.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:07:22.968000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，當然，原住民是我們非常重視的一點，因為我們非常多的選手，比如說，棒球選手就是來自原住民……","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:07:23.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:07:30.595000+08:00","text":"對，我相信他們在賽事上有很好的表現，但我在講的是他們未來的發展，讓他們在運動科技上不要缺席，好嗎？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:07:30.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:07:33.618000+08:00","text":"然後在旗艦的訓練計畫裡面，也給他們多一些名額和多一些支持。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:07:33.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:07:41.185000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們要非常珍惜、感謝原住民朋友在國家體育上面優異的表現，這次的國家棒球隊有16名原住民的伙伴在裡面……","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:07:43.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:07:50.871000+08:00","text":"我知道，數量非常高，但我們關注的不是只有他們在舞臺上的表現，而是他們整個人生的發展，這才是原住民生活的驕傲。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:07:51.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:07:58.776000+08:00","text":"我覺得任何的培訓計畫對原住民朋友不需要設底線，也不需要設上限，只要是優秀的人，我們就會把他納入到整體計畫裡面。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:07:59.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:08:09.142000+08:00","text":"是的，這個最直接就是運動分析師的名額可以多給我們一些，也感謝部裡目前的支持，今年至少給我們2名，我們希望能夠再更多，好嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:08:09.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:08:09.142000+08:00","text":"謝謝，部長請回。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:08:14.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:08:17.150000+08:00","text":"接下來我們來談原住民的科技發展。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:08:20.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:08:50.035000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，原住民的科技計畫是本席希望在未來原住民五年計畫裡面的一個重點項目，我們知道原住民在運動的部分有很好的表現，相信在藝術文化上也有不錯的表現，但是本席在跟考試院及相關部會討論的時候，像考試院，我們也很高興他們最近終於研擬出來怎麼樣讓公務人員的名額跟原專班做對接，我想他們現在應該有一些對策了。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:08:51.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:09:03.343000+08:00","text":"接下來就是本席所談的，本席從一進立法院其實就在談這個議題，也就是原住民如何作為主體，在STEM的領域、在科技的領域、在AI的領域都不缺席。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:09:04.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:09:38.185000+08:00","text":"我們要不缺席，當然就要有一些做法，也就是如果原住民專班或是原住民的教育能夠有一個更深的長期培育，我想我們可以在目前國家的整個科技政策，比如低軌衛星、半導體及AI等領域，這個扮演國際關鍵角色的政策下，我們如何在這些研發基地，包括臺南在沙崙、屏東在滿州都有這樣一個發射場，而且我們也有國家2034的計畫，原住民在這裡面如何不缺席？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:09:38.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:09:49.493000+08:00","text":"這是本席在未來五年原住民族的教育計畫裡面，希望教育部、原民會、國科會跟工研院都應該一起來做的。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:09:50.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:10:01.564000+08:00","text":"所以本席要請教教育部、國科會、原民會、工研院還有相關部會，你們如何支持原住民青年進入核心技術領域？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-03-31T10:10:05.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:10:15.737000+08:00","text":"在原民會的部分，我們會設置原住民族科技教育推廣中心，結合AI教材，還希望能夠做巡迴教學。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:10:17.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:10:31.139000+08:00","text":"本席給你一個比較具體的建議，跟教育部緊密地來連結：第一、原專班是不是可以針對國家考科跟科技相關題材來設計？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:10:31.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:10:31.860000+08:00","text":"這個是很重要的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:10:32.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:10:55.541000+08:00","text":"另外，我們知道現在原鄉還有都會原住民的人口結構有一些變化，這個部分是不是可以請原民會，尤其是原鄉的農業科技，還有剛才本席所講的設立相關科技園區，如何跟學校來連結，甚至中小學教育都應該及早地啟動？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:10:55.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:11:12.226000+08:00","text":"本席是在高等教育，但是現在各類的人都缺，我們知道科技或技術教育及土木人才是全國都缺，原鄉就更不用講，條件、整個環境又更差，我們如何來補足這一塊？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:11:12.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:11:15.407000+08:00","text":"如何讓原鄉人口不再繼續凋零？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:11:15.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:11:16.867000+08:00","text":"我覺得這是我們的責任。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:11:17.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:11:29.072000+08:00","text":"教育部、原民會不僅在原專班，還有相關的原住民族教育以及未來五年原住民族教育的思考上，真的應該把這個也當成是重點目標。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:11:29.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:11:40.042000+08:00","text":"我們不要在現代性缺席，也不要在現代科技、現代技術上缺席，我覺得這是我們對於原住民族的使命，是不是也可以請教育部來支持這個部分？","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-31T10:11:40.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:11:55.945000+08:00","text":"感謝委員關心我們對原住民科技人才的培育，包含原住民部落怎麼樣能夠有更多STEM的人才投入，對部落發展有許多貢獻？","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-31T10:11:56.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:06.270000+08:00","text":"事實上，委員所關心的，目前花蓮高工就根據原住民實驗教育辦法設有資訊實驗專班……","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:06.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:09.171000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝，至少你們在東部有一些著墨。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:09.171000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:10.451000+08:00","text":"類似這樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:10.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:15.613000+08:00","text":"委員剛才特別提到的譬如土木，確實也是大量欠缺……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:15.613000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:16.613000+08:00","text":"對，本席非常關心，你看整個花蓮跟臺東……","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:16.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:16.933000+08:00","text":"我們在大學設有實驗專班，像鼓勵宜蘭大學……對！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:16.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:18.794000+08:00","text":"不僅在大學，未來是不是也可以往下扎根，進入中等教育，好不好？","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:29.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:35.742000+08:00","text":"我們也確實一直都對一些稀有人才的考試，與考選部保持密切的雙邊……對！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:36.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:40.785000+08:00","text":"所以我們希望原鄉的人才能夠留下來，原鄉的環境也能夠做一些調整。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:41.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:52.694000+08:00","text":"委員所關心的不管是AI人工智慧或者資訊科，甚至原民會在116學年度也提出了原民專班的五大需求，包括土木工程、地政、環境工程、農業科學……","quality":0.672},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:53.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:57.757000+08:00","text":"對，他們提出了很多需求，我想考試院也有發現這樣的問題。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-03-31T10:12:57.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:12:59.899000+08:00","text":"我們也都會全力來支持、配合人才培育。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:13:00.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:13:01.440000+08:00","text":"是，所以請教育部支持啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:13:01.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:13:04.022000+08:00","text":"這件事情我們沒有辦法置身於外。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:13:04.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:13:29.083000+08:00","text":"教育部、原民會還包括國科會，不要每次原住民的研究都只有在社會人文，我一直在疾呼不可以缺席掌握現代性的一些技術，我們在原住民族未來的五年教育跟十年教育必須要非常、非常把它當成是一件事情來看，好嗎？對。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:13:30.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:13:30.004000+08:00","text":"謝謝兩位。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:13:34.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:13:36.151000+08:00","text":"主委跟部長，請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:13:40.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:13:45.387000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要來為地方請命，也就是嘉義地區。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:13:45.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:13:58.677000+08:00","text":"院長，我再提醒一下有關嘉義地區的交通，本席今天要從國家戰略的思維來談。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:13:59.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:14:17.103000+08:00","text":"目前嘉義科學園區已經成為一個很重要的產業聚落，未來嘉義科學園區應該被放在產業政策還有國家級的戰略地位當中，不僅是無人機、智慧農機等等。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:14:18.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:14:40.188000+08:00","text":"但本席要提出，在這樣的產業聚落下，嘉義高鐵跟嘉義市區的聯外道路一直都沒有被建置，所以產業聚落的生活圈支持比較弱，過去嘉義市提了好多次，本席也提過。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:14:40.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:14:50.135000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊要提醒的是，行政院應該以國家建設的向度來投入交通建設，而不是把它一直在地化。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:14:50.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:15:12.312000+08:00","text":"我們看到新竹科學園區的新竹高鐵有六家線，臺南的高鐵有臺鐵沙崙線，苗栗的高鐵也有臺鐵豐富站的銜接，但是嘉義的高鐵到現在都沒有軌道的聯外系統，很難去連結整個嘉義的產業園區跟嘉義市。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:15:13.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:15:25.398000+08:00","text":"本席去年在這邊提出來，院長，您說那個地方的相關經費沒有支援，2億都拿不出來，結果當天嘉義市就說：我們拿出來，連嘉義縣的我們一併包了這樣子。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:15:26.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:15:31.141000+08:00","text":"結果後來院長您隔一天就說是口誤，部長，你實在難辭其咎。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:15:33.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:15:48.911000+08:00","text":"口誤之後，其實你也很有誠意，到了嘉義地區去勘災的時候，你有跟嘉義市跟嘉義縣說要不然就再來做一個整合，所以我想嘉義縣市也都有做一些行前的會議，所以不知道您這個整合的進度跟建設的進度，目前到哪裡？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:15:48.911000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:15:53.725000+08:00","text":"跟委員先報告，再請部長來說明……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:15:53.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:16:01.430000+08:00","text":"等一下，不好意思，不知道院長您後來在勘災之後，有沒有跟嘉義市及嘉義縣針對嘉義高鐵的聯外軌道來做一個會議？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:16:01.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:16:06.053000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告的是，嘉義是我們嘉南高屏大南方新矽谷重要的一部分……","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:16:06.053000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:16:08.555000+08:00","text":"對，就是這個，S型廊道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:16:08.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:16:15.119000+08:00","text":"所以我們有支撐包括152項以上的地方建設，其中很多部分都是地方的交通建設，所以我們當然列為國家級的重點來做處理。","quality":0.52},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:16:15.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:16:32.747000+08:00","text":"所以本席這邊要提的，謝謝你們都提到，本席要講的是2025年你們提出來的大南方新矽谷的建設，嘉義的產業園區其實某種程度也已經跟高雄、橋頭、臺南、屏東等等連成一個大的南部的產業聚落。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:16:32.747000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:16:33.747000+08:00","text":"新的S廊帶……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:16:33.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:16:36.209000+08:00","text":"所以應該從一個國家的思維……當然。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:16:36.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:16:52.584000+08:00","text":"來探討嘉義高鐵聯外軌道這樣一個建設，從中央的觀點、從國家戰略的思維跟國家產業的推動來把高鐵聯外軌道建設到嘉義市的這一段給做好，這個是本席的一個重要的建議。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-31T10:16:53.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:16:55.586000+08:00","text":"聯外系統我請部長來說明。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:16:55.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:17:03.648000+08:00","text":"部長，我想您去年已經讓院長在這邊口誤，然後導致地方的一個笑話啦！","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T10:17:03.648000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:17:04.648000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，這不是地方的笑話，這個議題相當、相當簡單……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:17:03.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:17:06.689000+08:00","text":"所以本席希望你把這個部分拿回去做研議。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T10:17:06.689000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:17:07.689000+08:00","text":"交通部支持嘉義聯外的軌道……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:17:07.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:17:20.972000+08:00","text":"部長，等一下、等一下，本席因為還有一題，這一題就觀光來講很重要，您先聽完本席這一題，您再做相關的回應，好不好？好。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:17:21.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:17:26.273000+08:00","text":"主委，基本上就是原住民的科技教育，請不要忘記。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:17:26.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:17:46.479000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要談的跟觀光有關，關於嘉義縣市高鐵聯外軌道這樣一個連結，最主要本席在這邊提醒，請以南方新矽谷的層級來做相關的建設投入指引，這個是本席做的一個結論。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:17:47.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:17:49.100000+08:00","text":"主委謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:17:49.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:17:54.963000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要談的是臺灣的朝聖之路，我想這個應該在院長剛就職的時候，本席也有提到。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:17:56.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:18:02.227000+08:00","text":"相關的單位，我們有時候也有一些討論，院長應該知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:18:03.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:18:26.850000+08:00","text":"長距離的徒步是一種新的旅遊型態，本席作為一個朝聖者不太喜歡講旅遊跟觀光，但是基本上它在觀光的領域裡面可以闢出一個永續現代性，所以在這個部分，全世界有兩個世界遺產：一個是西班牙的聖雅各路，一個是日本的熊野古道這個體系。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:18:27.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:18:37.580000+08:00","text":"所以這個概念可能在臺灣、在過去大家比較沒有，可是近年來其實很多人都徒步在臺灣走，這個概念是什麼呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:18:38.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:18:43.807000+08:00","text":"它其實現在已經成為西班牙一個重要的品牌，也帶動沿線小鎮的地方發展。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:18:44.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:01.497000+08:00","text":"時間的限制，本席很快的講，也就是說，我們可不可以從過去景點式的觀光模式來談現在的文化路徑跟漫遊觀光，需要你們的是，可不可以做一個整合性的會議來建置各傳教士在臺灣的軌跡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:01.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:20.126000+08:00","text":"幾點建議：第一個，是不是可以請你們把臺灣目前最缺的一塊徒步漫遊需要的軟硬體建設，比如庇護所可以透過空間的活化、政府的推動來引領民間把它做起來？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:20.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:26.871000+08:00","text":"這個可能大家在經驗上，因為今天時間的關係，本席只能直接談這樣一個詞。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:27.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:30.894000+08:00","text":"接下來是相關的行銷，是不是可以協助？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:31.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:37.739000+08:00","text":"另外，在花蓮有相關的海岸徒步道路，是不是也可以請觀光署來做一個整合？","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:37.739000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:40.880714+08:00","text":"找他們來開會，其實報紙上也有一些相關的資訊。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:40.880714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:44.022429+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，國家級綠道目前有7條。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:44.022429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:47.164143+08:00","text":"對，那是綠道，很長的綠道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:47.164143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:50.305857+08:00","text":"是，您說的步道的部分，我們可以來整合，因為您說行銷的部分，確實觀光署會來努力。","quality":0.118},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:50.305857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:53.447571+08:00","text":"對，然後整合每一個傳教士的點，我想這是觀光署可以做的，它並不需要太多經費。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:53.447571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:56.589286+08:00","text":"好，我們來了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:56.589286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:19:59.731000+08:00","text":"它只需要一些道路安全及指標系統，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-31T10:19:59.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-31T10:20:03.873000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。案由","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"委員林倩綺書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-31T10:20:03.873000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:20:04.873000+08:00","text":"就臺灣徒步觀光與文化路徑發展缺乏整體規劃、宣教士歷史路線資源分散、舊蘇花公路轉型觀光步道之可行性，以及徒步旅遊配套設施不足等問題，提出書面質詢，請行政院及交通部詳實說明。說明","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員林倩綺書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-31T10:20:04.873000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:20:05.873000+08:00","text":"一、近年長距離徒步旅行已成為全球觀光重要趨勢，以西班牙聖雅各朝聖之路為代表，其成功關鍵在於整合歷史文化、宗教脈絡、地方經濟及慢遊觀光，並形成具國際辨識度之旅遊品牌。","quality":0.013},{"speaker":"委員林倩綺書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-31T10:20:05.873000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:20:06.873000+08:00","text":"二、臺灣具備發展長距離徒步觀光之條件，包括宣教士歷史文化軌跡、多元地質景觀，以及從海岸至高山之自然環境，若能加以整合，有潛力發展為具國際吸引力之文化路徑旅遊系統。","quality":0.014},{"speaker":"委員林倩綺書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-31T10:20:06.873000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:20:07.873000+08:00","text":"三、目前國內相關資源多由民間或地方自行推動，例如串聯全臺教堂之朝聖路線，已具初步雛形，惟整體仍呈現分散狀態，缺乏中央層級之整合規劃與品牌建構。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員林倩綺書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-31T10:20:07.873000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:20:08.873000+08:00","text":"四、現行宣教士相關文化路線橫跨不同區域與文化體系，包括北部沿海路線、中部山區路線、花東地區及離島地區等，涉及文化部、交通部觀光署、原住民族委員會及地方政府等多機關，然尚未建立跨部會整合機制。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員林倩綺書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-31T10:20:08.873000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-31T10:20:09.873000+08:00","text":"五、行政院推動之國家綠道系統，如淡蘭古道、樟之細路等，已具徒步旅遊基礎，若能與文化朝聖路線整合，透過統一指標系統、資訊平台及文化導覽，有助於建立完整之徒步觀光路網。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員林倩綺書面補充資料","start":"2026-03-31T10:20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