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你說行政院要負起調查責任請問你現在收到的日期是2月19日嗎因為他2月19日就收到簡訊啊"},{"start":840.367,"end":867.637,"text":"各位委員報告這個各機關非因申訴而窒息到可能有這場霸凌的情形通常會需要一段的時間去瞭解一下因為他情況有很多種有包括是在媒體上面的爆料有可能是社群媒體上的文章所以對於機關來說他就是有必要去了解一下他是不是屬於一個具體事實至少要做一個初步瞭解"},{"start":868.177,"end":879.267,"text":"那至於在行政院在從成立調查小組之前的這段過程他們怎麼樣去進行的這個進程這可能要由行政院來說明可能會比較妥適那成立調查小組是什麼時候行政院要說明嗎人事處長副秘書長副秘書長"},{"start":899.844,"end":918.519,"text":"跟委員報告我們在3月26號之夕的時候就成立了調查小組來做釐清事實的動作所以你們2月19收到這個離職信他裡面說他長期被忽視的時候你們還沒開始我們不知道你不知道對我不知道但是卓院長知道"},{"start":920.286,"end":942.993,"text":"昨天有回答王育民委員他是在2月19號的時候辦公室的幕僚轉資這個訊息給院長院長那時候是希望表達關心然後要請他好好休息因為請他好好養病接下來繼續為國服務但是那是在過年期間2月19號是在過年"},{"start":945.174,"end":969.673,"text":"然後過年完了以後的話我們緊接著就228連假再來再表示關心的時候3月初得知副總檯面廖友病情急轉直下大概院長昨天也講述了這個過程我們真正知道的時候是因為3月26號的那個cheat的那個訊息出來以後我們才知道的"},{"start":969.753,"end":986.683,"text":"我跟你說你看這個時間序3月26號已經被披露他業務有長期的壓力你才知道對不對發言人表示過去未聽說但其實2月19你們收到他的離職簡訊的時候內容就跟26號是有點重複的我要跟委員強調的時候因為我們真的沒有任何的公文完反的記錄那個純粹就是他傳給院長幕僚的簡訊"},{"start":1000.25,"end":1003.052,"text":"沒有公文 我們保訊會回來因為你剛剛講得很清楚嘛 你剛剛的意思是說當主管知悉的時候 可以先內部詢問一下是需要公文的嗎"},{"start":1017.995,"end":1035.114,"text":"公務員報告那個知曦可能有職場霸凌情勢的方式真的有很多種不一定是單純是可能是曾經信也有可能是社群媒體上面的發文好沒關係我希望保訊會處長今天可以把這個資訊帶回去因為全國的公務員"},{"start":1036.175,"end":1043.157,"text":"還有社會大眾都在看你們接下來的作為可不可以勿往勿縱剛剛我們從這個時間軸還有網路上的他同事是義憤填膺出來說覺得非常的不捨那在核對他之前就已經送給院長的簡訊內容其實他是早在知情的狀況下就代呼職守去不處理那"},{"start":1059.32,"end":1079.347,"text":"之後我們要看到保訓會的作為看是院長要負責還是副院長要負責還是秘書長要負責因為這個是行政院的霸凌世界根本就是對我們法律尊嚴的一個挑戰所以我也希望你現在找的外部專家可以公正客觀啟動調查最後我們要看到一個全民可以信服的報告好嗎"},{"start":1084.628,"end":1109.114,"text":"我們可能沒有那麼相信行政院的報告我是說請保訓會回答保訓會不會有報告啊好您說您說那我們針對這次調查的時候我們為了讓他公正客觀我們的調查委員都是外部委員沒有內部委員好那全國的公務員都在看今天的資訊他們也希望知道說最後的結果如何謝謝主席謝謝陳金輝委員接下來請邱輝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:41.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:43.824000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，謝謝今天出席的委員跟官員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:43.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:45.505000+08:00","text":"首先請勞動部部長還有衛福部次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:45.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:46.445000+08:00","text":"請部長及呂建德次長。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:46.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:47.545000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。你好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:47.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:50.186000+08:00","text":"投影片是本週爆發的一起案例，診所的負責人對他的女員工嚴重的職場性騷擾，我們先看一下影片。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:30.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:30.728000+08:00","text":"（播放影片）","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽：許多在網路上流傳兩段影片","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:31.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:43.740000+08:00","text":"有一段是在診所櫃臺，另外一段是他在幫診所負責人開門的時候發生的強行摟抱，即使這個女員工不斷退縮閃躲，他還變本加厲。","quality":0.547},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽：許多在網路上流傳兩段影片","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:45.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:49.725000+08:00","text":"這名女員工後來身心受創、報警，然後離職了。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽：許多在網路上流傳兩段影片","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:50.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:21.611000+08:00","text":"至今已經超過一個月，醫師連一句道歉都沒有，本案現在同步送檢調，強制猥褻罪法辦，但是我也想請問勞動部，其實滿多受害人，您也知道很多類似的受害人不一定會走上法律途徑，因為他們身心煎熬會更久，審判可能長達數年，所以我們想請教您的是，現在部長掌握的資訊，你會不會覺得這是很嚴重的職場性騷擾案件？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽：許多在網路上流傳兩段影片","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:22.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:27.296000+08:00","text":"另外，這起性騷擾案件的行政流程、調查流程進度到哪裡了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:29.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:38.902000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，其實我非常關注這個案子，此案是來自苗栗縣一位民意代表，我們也很關注。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:39.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:52.867000+08:00","text":"就我知道，現在這個案子應該已經進入到苗栗縣政府的申訴跟調查程序裡面了，目前司法應該也有所介入，所以就程序面的進度應該是到這邊。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:54.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:16.247000+08:00","text":"從畫面來看，我之前看過好幾次你剛才播放的畫面，這當然是一件非常非常嚴重的事情，所以像這樣的狀況，尤其是在醫療業的現場，我自己也希望我們能夠跟目的事業主管機關來討論，怎麼樣儘量從更根本性的方式、管理性的方式去避免。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:16.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:18.369000+08:00","text":"因為您都提了，我們就來討論根本性的方式。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:20.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:51.739000+08:00","text":"上禮拜還沒有這個新聞，我已經質詢這個議題，因為衛福部被糾正一連串、過去一年非常多醫事人員違反性別平等等等的事件，所以衛福部被監察院糾正說他們的衛政跟社政的串聯不夠好，以致於很多醫事人員可能已經爆發了，行政調查報告也出來了，結果一直持續接觸脆弱族群或是持續在職場上班，可是很多人都不知道。","quality":0.993},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:52.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:53.360000+08:00","text":"我先給您看一下質詢影片。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:53.360000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:34.246000+08:00","text":"（播放影片）","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:45:34.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:46.509000+08:00","text":"這是上週3月25號，衛福部長說他要建立三方平臺，包括社會局、勞動局及教育局等等，我想問一下這個系統性的介接，他跟你們聯絡了嗎？","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T09:45:46.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:50.744000+08:00","text":"有，非常感謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T09:45:51.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:59.507000+08:00","text":"報告委員，對於職場性騷，我們的態度一定是零容忍，這是我們的基本原則。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T09:46:00.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:46:19.684000+08:00","text":"在上一次委員您質詢之後，其實我們有跟勞動部……先分兩個部分，第一個，我們目前衛政的部分，事實上是透過跟衛生局；只要有相關案例牽涉到職場的話，我們就跟勞動部建立相互的聯繫機制。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:46:20.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:46:22.607000+08:00","text":"因為他說跟社會局已經連結好了……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T09:46:22.607000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:46:23.607000+08:00","text":"對、沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:4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給院長的簡訊內容，其實他是早在知情的狀況下就怠忽職守不處理，之後我們要看到保訓會的作為，看是院長要負責？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:21.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:59:22.662000+08:00","text":"還是副院長要負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:22.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:59:23.942000+08:00","text":"還是秘書長要負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:23.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:59:37.347000+08:00","text":"因為這是行政院的霸凌事件，根本就是對我們法律尊嚴的挑戰，所以我也希望你現在找的外部專家可以公正客觀啟動調查，最後我們要看到一個全民可以信服的報告，好嗎？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:37.347000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:59:42.628000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:42.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:59:47.089000+08:00","text":"我們可能沒有那麼相信行政院的報告，我是說請保訓會回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:47.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:59:50.110000+08:00","text":"保訓會不會有報告啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:50.110000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:59:51.110000+08:00","text":"調查是行政院調查。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:50.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:59:51.730000+08:00","text":"好，您說。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:53.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:01.413000+08:00","text":"我們針對這一次調查，為了讓它公正客觀，我們的調查委員都是外部委員，沒有內部委員。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:01.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:06.094000+08:00","text":"好，全國的公務員都在看今天的質詢，他們也希望知道最後的結果如何。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳委員菁徽","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:06.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:06.794000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:06.794000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:07.794000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:06.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:06.954000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳菁徽委員。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:06.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:07.094000+08:00","text":"接下來請邱慧洳委員發言。","quality":0.455}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}