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報告，我們分兩個部分來看，一個是既有人才引進的部分，就是學校那個部分，之前其實我們每年都有跟這些大學合作，就是核工人才的引進其實持續在進行，只是量稍微少一點，所以等於是學校的培養這個部分還是有的。","quality":0.699},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T09:59:58.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:59:59.858000+08:00","text":"有沒有被挖角？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:00.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:02.960000+08:00","text":"就是原先的被挖角去別的地方？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:03.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:04.281000+08:00","text":"部分也會被挖角。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:04.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:05.461000+08:00","text":"你們台電裡面的呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:07.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:09.744000+08:00","text":"我們台電相對因為……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:10.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:10.465000+08:00","text":"台電裡面的人也都走掉了？","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:10.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:18.490000+08:00","text":"我們台電人也有台電人的精神，所以比較不會，他們比較忠誠，所以比較不會被挖，這是第一點。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:18.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:39.266000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們還有跟國研院、工研院等這些外面的研究機構合作在做加強訓練，讓他們在證照取得與實務運轉經驗方面更加強化，等於是內外、新舊同仁都有在持續地強化這方面的經驗，所以再運轉計畫……","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:39.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:45.130000+08:00","text":"所以如果核電重啟，不會有人才斷層的這個現象，是不是？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:45.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:48.533000+08:00","text":"這是必要條件，所以我們人才的準備是一定要做到。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:48.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:49.814000+08:00","text":"所以你們現在就充足了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:51.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:52.296000+08:00","text":"持續在擴充當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:52.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:00:55.359000+08:00","text":"持續在擴充，現在有減少，所以持續在擴充？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-01T10:00:56.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:01:01.646000+08:00","text":"當初減少是因為有一部分同仁退休，我們有再新進一些同仁補充。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:01:02.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:01:04.870000+08:00","text":"所以你們現在在新增人才當中就對了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-01T10:01:05.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:01:08.934000+08:00","text":"是，都有一些補充，這些補充人才的培訓，都是我們要強化的重點。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:01:10.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:01:49.375000+08:00","text":"次長，我再就教一下，過去為了因應美國關稅的影響，我們編了460億預算希望協助這些企業升級、資金、技術等方面，可是我看到460億的預算現在只核准了762家、33.4億，第一個，是不是我們的方案沒有辦法協助廠商，所以他們沒有申請，還是核准的時間過慢，還是怎麼樣？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:01:50.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:01:50.755000+08:00","text":"這個部分請說明一下。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-01T10:01:50.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:15.305000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為這460億的預算編列包括研發補助、市場拓銷、融資保證以及利息補貼等等，所以在這邊呈現的可能只是一個部分而已，現在大概每一、兩個禮拜我們都會追蹤，而且會發布新聞稿把460億的使用狀況跟社會大眾交代。","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:15.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:15.385000+08:00","text":"所以現在是……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:15.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:15.905000+08:00","text":"我們會再送給委員……","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:15.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:16.085000+08:00","text":"是不是因為沒有統計進去？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:16.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:20.667000+08:00","text":"應該是今天呈現的可能只是一部分，跟AI應用有關的這個部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:29.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:32.673000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以把具體的統計數據給委員會？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:33.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:34.974000+08:00","text":"可以，我們是不是一個禮拜……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:35.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:39.096000+08:00","text":"一個禮拜內把具體數據給委員會，好不好？","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:39.096000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:40.096000+08:00","text":"好，其實我們都有在做統計。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:39.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:41.797000+08:00","text":"好，把具體的數據給委員會。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:42.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:46.279000+08:00","text":"最後，我要就教國發會葉主委。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:48.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:48.520000+08:00","text":"國發會葉主委。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:48.520000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:02:50.932000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:02:50.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:03:23.267000+08:00","text":"葉主委，我想請教一下，對於現在要推動的傳產數位化及AI普及率，我必須要了解國發會有沒有一個很清楚的KPI，以及能夠追蹤現在數位化或AI化的成效，因為對於傳產來講，它很難自己去跨入那個門檻，所以你必須要協助、必須要引導，你們有沒有一個KPI？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:03:23.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:03:24.948000+08:00","text":"你們現在的KPI是什麼？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-01T10:03:24.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:04:03.024000+08:00","text":"有，就輔導部分來講，在今年3月底為止，我們輔導的家次有1,584家，116年的目標大概是1萬4,000家；就普及率來講，在提供AI解決方案部分，114年底的目標是266個AI模型，我們希望116年底再增加140個AI模型，以協助中小微企業導入AI技術。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:04:04.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:04:31.931000+08:00","text":"國發會即便是做了非常多的模型，我說的KPI，或者是真的能夠對於中小企業有成效的，是怎麼樣協助他們轉型，就是能夠真的協助他們，是有用的而不是多，有用的也許幾個就夠了，能夠協助他們真正轉型，而不是你們設計了非常多的模型出來，結果都沒有用，那就是零，你知道嗎？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-01T10:04:35.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:04:54.600000+08:00","text":"譬如，在輔導這一塊，其實我們都有在追蹤案例，舉一個比較指標性的案例就是隴鈦銅器公司，我們都有在追蹤這幾個特定案例，看是不是能夠把這些案例散播出去給其他中小微企業作為參考。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:04:55.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:05:04.164000+08:00","text":"對，我是說只要有用，也許就可以提供給大家共同使用，而不是我們發展出很多的模型，結果一個都沒有用。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-01T10:05:04.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:05:07.990000+08:00","text":"會，就這些指標性案例，我們會繼續追蹤，而且繼續推廣。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-01T10:05:07.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:05:07.990000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-01T10:05:07.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:05:08.010000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:05:08.510000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:05:10.510000+08:00","text":"謝謝謝衣鳯委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:05:10.810000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:05:13.381429+08:00","text":"下一位請賴瑞隆委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}