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到底我們現在淡海輕軌 南海鮮二期以及大家關心的淡江大橋 未來延伸的八里輕軌能不能給我們一個十三次咧我說你要審查嚴謹沒有問題 三次兩次我們趕快全部都再調整 也都調整完畢了那但是現在十三次了 五年五個多月過去了那我們的進度在哪邊"},{"start":702.86,"end":724.45,"text":"謝謝委員的關心 這個我相信淡水的鄉親大家都很關注我們也希望他能夠趕快那不過現在很像在新北市這個部分在那個河岸旁邊輕軌的位置上面已經調整了 這個部長甚至你又不了解了因為局長其實也都很清楚現在還有新北市捷運局的相關人士也都有過來已經調整了我請局長來說明"},{"start":726.431,"end":732.879,"text":"他就在這第13次的時候已經報回去請注意一下時間喔委員這個部分我們來努力希望他快一點我們希望他快一點就當然是快一點但是已經過半年了現在是不是計畫已經又報到行政院了"},{"start":744.916,"end":763.899,"text":"現在在局裡面現在還在鐵道局在鐵道局在鐵道局但你之前跟我講不過說已經有在報局裡面報行政院因為沒有在這是報到部裡面那部裡面因為還有要跟新北市政府確認剛剛講的這個議題上面的確認度這件事我們只要跟新北市政府確認好大概就可以很快來進行"},{"start":765.581,"end":786.672,"text":"上一次本席上一個會席一樣問您一樣是用這個態度部長建設不分黨派只要能夠讓地方好我相信大家都期待不管是南海線輕軌二期尤其是它是淡海輕軌的最後一里路連接整個完整路網才可以完整所以我真的要拜託部長"},{"start":787.672,"end":797.743,"text":"5月12號我相信連總統也會來我們淡江大橋這邊來做開工落成的一個部分希望真的能夠到時候來帶來一些好消息好不好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:32:04.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:32:06.129000+08:00","text":"主席謝謝，麻煩請陳世凱部長。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:32:06.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:32:12.894000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:32:12.894000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:32:13.894000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:32:13.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:32:13.434000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:32:15.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:32:25.202000+08:00","text":"部長，針對中東局勢，現在戰情還沒有降溫的狀況，我們看到大家都關心燃油的部分。是。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:32:25.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:32:33.810000+08:00","text":"我們先看一下，新聞報導燃油荒全球都受害，航運成本已經暴增50億美金。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:32:34.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:32:50.288000+08:00","text":"再來看跟國人比較直接聯繫的是航空相關部分，我國籍的航空以及過去這一個月已經有調漲的訂位服務費，現在也有一些航空公司說燃油附加費也要調漲。沒錯。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:32:50.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:32:56.853000+08:00","text":"今天4月1號，很多業者說多希望這是愚人節的笑話，但是看起來可能勢在必行。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:32:57.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:33:01.897000+08:00","text":"目前為止，針對燃油附加費，我們國籍航空有沒有要調漲的一個規劃？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:33:03.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:33:18.032000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，確實燃油也造成所有航空公司燃油價格成本的壓力，在今天民航局應該就會公布針對燃油附加費的增加、調整部分……","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:33:18.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:33:19.434000+08:00","text":"所以會增加多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:33:20.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:33:21.856000+08:00","text":"增加的幅度，我是不是請局長說明？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"何局長淑萍","start":"2026-04-01T09:33:27.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:33:40.239000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有關國內線的部分，因為我們過去就有一個建立機制，就是要連續三個月中油公布的燃油價格如果往上調整的話，我們就會來調整整個國內線的費用，會放在全額票價裡面，根據我們本來……","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:33:40.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:33:40.679000+08:00","text":"所以票價有可能會漲？對！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:33:48.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:33:50.665000+08:00","text":"現在是勢在必行了？對！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"何局長淑萍","start":"2026-04-01T09:33:51.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:33:57.947000+08:00","text":"這個是過往的機制，因為燃油因應國際趨勢，它常常會漲漲跌跌，所以這個要適度的去反映。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"何局長淑萍","start":"2026-04-01T09:33:59.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:08.271000+08:00","text":"我們計算出來的話，大概就是每條航線會不一樣，平均大概是97塊錢。97塊？對。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"何局長淑萍","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:08.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:19.634000+08:00","text":"可是對於居民的部分，以往我們也曾經有討論過，基本上有一部分的調整，我們會由民航作業基金來吸收，以兼顧離島的部分。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:19.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:25.136000+08:00","text":"所以目前居民就是國內航線還是吸收多，因為97塊沒有到那麼多，那國際航線呢？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"何局長淑萍","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:26.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:37.445000+08:00","text":"國際航線的部分我們也是有建立一個機制，就是會有一個級距，短程線、長程線，短程線的話大概是每調整……","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:39.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:40.767000+08:00","text":"局長，我們可不可以講大白話？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:40.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:42.489000+08:00","text":"因為本席還有很多問題，好不好？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"何局長淑萍","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:42.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:43.730000+08:00","text":"好，大白話就是會調。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:43.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:43.870000+08:00","text":"就是會調，但調多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何局長淑萍","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:47.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:48.012000+08:00","text":"調多少就是會占國際線……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:48.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:48.373000+08:00","text":"這個是大家最關心的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何局長淑萍","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:48.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:49.053000+08:00","text":"會調漲到45啦，短程線是從17.5塊調整到45塊，長程線是45.5……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:49.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:49.073000+08:00","text":"那票價咧？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:34:49.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:34:49.533000+08:00","text":"未來票價有沒有可能調整？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:04.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:18.922000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，剛剛所說的數字是以美金來計算，這個部分其實就是加到票價裡面，剛剛所講的這個調漲就加到票價裡面，要看它原本的票價假設3萬塊，以長程來講的話，它是調整成45.5塊美金，大概是這樣。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:19.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:19.922000+08:00","text":"我們可不可以幣值一致？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:20.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:21.283000+08:00","text":"你說的3萬是臺幣吧？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:22.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:25.105000+08:00","text":"你剛剛說的3萬是臺幣，然後現在45塊又變美金！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:25.105000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:26.105000+08:00","text":"3萬是臺幣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:25.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:27.006000+08:00","text":"不要報喜不報憂嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:27.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:31.730000+08:00","text":"部長，因為這個是全球面對……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:31.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:34.152000+08:00","text":"這個問題，長程的如果你要乘以30的話……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:34.152000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:35.152000+08:00","text":"我們現在先講，因為……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:34.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:39.476000+08:00","text":"長程的大概是增加了1,300塊左右，長程的來講。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:39.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:46.702000+08:00","text":"好，還有票價的問題，可能現在票價貴是一回事，但現在有一些航空公司是飛一班、虧一班啊！","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:47.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:35:51.225000+08:00","text":"因為油真的太貴了，所以也演變成有一些國家……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:35:52.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:05.171000+08:00","text":"抱歉，向委員更正，長程是由45.5美元調漲為117美元，117美元算起來就差不多三千多塊。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:05.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:05.631000+08:00","text":"三千多塊，對不對？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:05.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:11.195000+08:00","text":"好，部長，這一些都還是第一步，因為才一個月……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:11.195000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:12.195000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:11.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:29.862000+08:00","text":"中東戰事什麼時候延伸我們不清楚，所以現在世界各國，包括日本、印度、新加坡都已經有調整，甚至要求其他航空公司來到這個國家的，我們不加油，要它自己帶油來飛、自己飛回去，有一些國家已經這樣做了。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:31.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:31.703000+08:00","text":"臺灣有沒有考慮跟進？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:33.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:33.899000+08:00","text":"向委員報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:34.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:35.080000+08:00","text":"有沒有研議？有。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:35.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:43.883000+08:00","text":"因為如果之後我們的油也變成是一個戰略物資、能源物資，我們當然優先給我們國籍航空嘛！","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:44.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:46.564000+08:00","text":"如果其他航空公司飛來臺灣，請它帶油來飛啊！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:36:48.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:36:59.548000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯，向委員報告，這個部分我們其實內部有做過討論，幾個原則：第一，國內如果真的燃油在緊迫的狀況底下，當然以國籍航空為優先……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:37:00.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:37:00.789000+08:00","text":"條件是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:37:00.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:37:02.209000+08:00","text":"不要講原則，我們就講條件……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:37:02.209000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:37:03.209000+08:00","text":"這個必須……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:37:02.989000+08:00","guessed":f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持聯繫，像委員今天在關切，我們就會問它有沒有辦法具備一個月或兩個月的存量，並且目前存量多少，我們希望中油公司可以提供給我們。好。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:39:29.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:39:57.069000+08:00","text":"另外，本席也看到包括南韓現在有行車管制，可能已經擴及到一般國內，不只是航空業，南韓現在針對伊朗戰爭能源吃緊的狀況，已經率先對於公務員限制開車管制，就是建議公務員先不要開車，節省油量，當然，這是南韓的做法，但我覺得這也是我們現在應該要去思考的。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:39:58.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:20.904000+08:00","text":"部長剛剛講到，因為這個是跟經濟部息息相關，能源掌控是在經濟部，可是交通的問題是交通部，因此本席具體建議，交通部跟經濟部應該即刻趕快開聯合會議，並且充分地了解到底我們的油量控管到什麼程度，以及我們第一階段、第二階段、第三階段要採取什麼措施？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:21.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:36.602000+08:00","text":"因為我們不知道中東戰事什麼時候會結束，但是料敵從寬，以及我們要有比較寬裕，不要現在大家還是一樣過平常生活，但沒想到最後勒緊褲帶的時候反而大家適應不良。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:37.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:48.525000+08:00","text":"要預先讓國人知道我們的步驟，反而會讓國人有所預防，這樣子是不是也可以減少後續可能帶來的衝擊，部長，你的看法呢？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:48.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:00.109000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的提醒，我覺得這個提醒相當的好，我們會趕快來跟經濟部聯繫，看他們供油的狀況、在運輸方面的油能夠提供多久的時間，這部分我們跟他們來接洽。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:00.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:04.493000+08:00","text":"好，相關的措施什麼時候可以給本席以及交通委員會？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:04.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:05.594000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜內？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:05.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:06.235000+08:00","text":"可以，沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:06.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:13.763000+08:00","text":"好，兩個禮拜內請讓國人知道因應……因為這個不是開玩笑，我們2,320萬人民要共同面對。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:13.763000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:14.763000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:13.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:29.782000+08:00","text":"再來還有一個問題，5月12號是淡水的大日子、八里的大日子，我們淡江大橋完工，但聽說現在連鋪路的瀝青都有缺料、飆漲的狀況，會不會影響淡江大橋的完工？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:31.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:52.993000+08:00","text":"我們價格確實是有提高，不過也很感謝工程會的協助，我們有特別跟廠商協調，價格雖然提高，但是淡江大橋所需要的大概四百公噸、四百五十公噸左右的瀝青，我們已經備好了、備妥了，所以對於整體通車時程不會受到影響。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:52.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:56.876000+08:00","text":"OK、好，現在瀝青原物料調漲多少？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:58.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:59.117000+08:00","text":"我是不是請局長回應？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:00.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:00.858000+08:00","text":"簡單回應一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:01.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:07.502000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，據我所了解的部分，今天是4月1號，我印象中是16%還是12%，大概是這樣子。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:07.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:11.724000+08:00","text":"漲了15%左右，對不對？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:11.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:13.825000+08:00","text":"是針對瀝青油的部分。好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:14.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:23.910000+08:00","text":"所以未來可能的狀況，假設中東戰事沒有結束的話，有可能連全國這些公路有需要用到瀝青鋪設的部分也會受到影響，是不是？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:25.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:26.231000+08:00","text":"有什麼因應的措施？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:27.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:40.323000+08:00","text":"這個部分工程會後續會統一來做處理，因為是屬於整體工程的部分，之前有反映給工程會，工程會大概也在注意。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:40.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:44.406000+08:00","text":"本席提醒，不要影響到我們道路鋪設。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:45.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:48.210000+08:00","text":"部長，最後本席還是要為地方再請命一下。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:48.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:05.501000+08:00","text":"前兩天本席陪同侯友宜市長前往淡水再去視察淡海輕軌藍海線二期的先行工程，我們已經先做，本來也期待能夠跟淡江大橋通車的時候，能夠有一起的規劃。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:05.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:29.933000+08:00","text":"但報了行政院13次，最新一次是2025年11月已經通過鐵道局審查、通過交通部報行政院了，半年過去，到底現在淡海輕軌藍海線二期，以及大家關心的淡江大橋未來延伸的八里輕軌，能不能給我們一個答案？13次耶！","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:32.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:44.080000+08:00","text":"要嚴謹審查沒有問題，2、3次我們趕快全部調整，也都調整完畢了，但是現在13次了、五年五個多月過去了，我們的進度在哪邊？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:44.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:50.183000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心，我相信淡水的鄉親大家都很關注，我們也希望能夠趕快。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:51.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:57.186000+08:00","text":"不過現在在新北市這個部分，在河岸旁邊輕軌的位置上面，地方好像還有一些意見。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:57.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:06.170000+08:00","text":"已經調整了，部長，這個你又不了解了，因為局長其實也都很清楚，今天還有新北市捷運局相關人士也都有過來，已經調整了。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:06.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:06.430000+08:00","text":"我請局長來說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:08.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:10.414000+08:00","text":"在第13次的時候已經報回去。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:10.414000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:11.414000+08:00","text":"鐵道局給我的訊息是地方還有意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:11.414000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:12.414000+08:00","text":"我們再請新北市政府確認一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:10.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:10.914000+08:00","text":"洪委員，請注意一下時間。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:10.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:11.575000+08:00","text":"委員，這個部分我們來努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:11.575000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:12.575000+08:00","text":"召委謝謝，最後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:11.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:11.976000+08:00","text":"這部分我們來努力，希望它快一點。","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:12.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:14.859000+08:00","text":"當然希望快一點，但已經過半年了，現在是不是計畫已經又報到行政院了？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:26.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:28.338000+08:00","text":"現在在局裡面。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:29.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:29.560000+08:00","text":"現在還在鐵道局？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:29.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:30+08:00","text":"在鐵道局。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:30.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:34.005000+08:00","text":"你之前跟我講的時候不是說已經在報行政院？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:34.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:39.672000+08:00","text":"沒有，現在報到部裡面，因為還有要跟新北市政府確認剛剛講的議題……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:41.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:45.879000+08:00","text":"委員，這件事我們只要跟新北市政府確認好，大概就可以很快來進行，向委員報告。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:47.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:52.163000+08:00","text":"上一次，本席上一個會期問，您一樣是用這個態度。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:52.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:54.824000+08:00","text":"部長，建設不分黨派……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:54.824000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:55.824000+08:00","text":"這個跟黨派無關，我們也希望能夠快。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:55.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:19.723000+08:00","text":"只要能夠讓地方好，我相信大家都期待，不管是藍海線輕軌二期，尤其它是淡海輕軌的最後一哩路，連接整個路網才可以完整，所以我真的要拜託部長，5月12號我相信連總統也會來淡江大橋參與落成的部分，希望到時候真的能夠帶來一些好消息，好不好？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T09:45:20.223000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:22.794429+08:00","text":"好，我們努力。謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:45:23.094429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:24.523000+08:00","text":"謝謝洪委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:45:24.823000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:27.965857+08:00","text":"接下來請李昆澤委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}