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但是現在這個變成有六成這個部分我想我們會我們再來看怎麼樣去兼顧學生的生涯發展又能夠讓這個這個秩序上的資料的選擇裡面因為其實108課剛多元學型適性發展本身也是認同的"},{"start":460.435,"end":473.561,"text":"但是我們要重視到不同類組學生的權益這麼高比例的跨考其實跟我們108課剛這個事情發展我們要做數學分流這樣的初中本意是背道而馳的"},{"start":474.707,"end":501.298,"text":"本來婚牛還有一個包含他學習過程裡面他能夠因為婚牛當他要學習他兩組都要準備啊超過六成欸部長超過六成欸所以這個跟我們本來的本意我覺得是沒有做到位而且反而增加學生的壓力我們來跟等於說一線上的部長其實很多學生家長有希望說"},{"start":502.398,"end":517.921,"text":"那你既然分數A跟數B你就同堂考試你不要分堂嘛那讓你要選擇的學生你就很確認很正確的去選擇你要數A或數B然後擇一應考這樣的方式可以嗎"},{"start":519.556,"end":534.846,"text":"這個我想我們還是來研究因為確實在民主的一個寶貴的精神就是多元那我們學生他事實上是有多項的一個興趣如果你一定要用一刀兩切的一個方式我想這個我們會後我們來研議"},{"start":537.568,"end":565.273,"text":"你剛才本席所說的其實你這麼高比例的跨考跟你本來要做分流的這個初中就本來一看就知道說跟你本來這個好意學生在他選擇上來講並沒有照著你們所想的這樣去做他兩組都要考兩套教材他們都要準備那當然對理科的學生來講他的理解力這樣子來考兩組的考試他可能就覺得沒有任何負擔但是在社會主義學生"},{"start":568.434,"end":588.487,"text":"這個學習比較好的他確實在考數B的時候是比較駕輕就熟的那對只選擇數B的學生他也不得不去選擇數A但是他沒有這個優勢啊因為其實一般念文組的學生他本來在這個理科的這個理解力或是是他在這個數學的運算能力可能就沒有數理科的這麼強"},{"start":589.528,"end":613.23,"text":"那这样相对下来会造成他们的压力跟他们的负担所以这个部分我希望教育部你们这边也可以演绎相关的配套而且两个月之内你把你们的书面报告我们来看怎么考招的制度能够更精进我们会后再跟委员做报告好就麻烦部长了谢谢好谢谢陈秀宝委员的咨询请部长回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:43:31.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:43:31.775000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:43:31.775000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:43:33.005500+08:00","text":"請鄭部長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:43:33.005500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:43:34.236000+08:00","text":"請鄭部長上備詢台，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T10:43:34.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:43:34.236000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:43:41.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:43:42.147000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:43:43.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:02.999000+08:00","text":"請教部長，日前教育部有透露要研議修改規定，將毒品唾液篩檢引入校園，希望可以改善傳統尿檢法對於新興藥物，像依託咪酯這種代謝比較快的毒品，比較難用尿檢法驗出來的問題。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:03.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:06.980000+08:00","text":"請教部長，目前有規劃具體的時程嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:06.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:11.042000+08:00","text":"後續毒品唾液快篩要如何分配到學校？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:11.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:12.142000+08:00","text":"你們如何執行？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:12.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:13.242000+08:00","text":"是不是已經有開始討論了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:13.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:13.302000+08:00","text":"請部長說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:17.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:29.958000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，引入快篩確實是有助於我們及早發現學生的一些不當的毒品接觸，詳細的內容請學特司來說明。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"許代理司長嘉倩","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:32.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:44:59.033000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，毒品快篩的部分，其實我們已經有委託師大來幫我們修正相關的要點及相關的補充措施，這個部分我們也有跟內政部警政署研議，有加入內政部警政署的一些毒品快篩的共同採購契約，如果採購順利，我們希望在今年9月能夠上路。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:44:59.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:12.653000+08:00","text":"現在到9月剩下半年的時間，所以你要如何執行、學校要如何配合，包括相關人力、對象及怎麼執行，其實必須要有很具體的時程安排，你們已經有具體的討論出來了嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"許代理司長嘉倩","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:17.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:30.406000+08:00","text":"師大的研究案出來之後，我們就會找各縣市辦理一些相關的研析，讓第一線的教官還有校安人力知道可以怎麼運用毒品快篩試劑。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:30.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:50.303000+08:00","text":"那是不是等你們研究、了解整個過程，跟縣市不管是教育局處或者相關人力做相關執行的討論有進展之後，請把你們的報告給我的辦公室，讓我了解你們再來是怎麼安排，好嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許代理司長嘉倩","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:51.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:45:52.205000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:45:53.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:08.179000+08:00","text":"有公民團體建議除了唾液快篩之外，也可以考慮配合第二層的檢測，就是所謂的液相層析串聯質譜，讓快篩如果有偽陽性或是爭議的時候，可以作為相關依據。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:08.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:08.419000+08:00","text":"部長，您認為呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:08.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:33.794000+08:00","text":"這確實超乎我的專業跟想像，但是唾液快篩對學校來講，事實上是最方便的，如果能夠有更好的方式，這部分我們來看學特司有沒有……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"許代理司長嘉倩","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:35.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:41.364000+08:00","text":"我們想要用唾液快篩，主要是為了因應像依托咪酯這樣的新興毒品，它的代謝……","quality":0.531},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-04-01T10:46:41.364000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:46:42.364000+08:00","text":"這個是第二層，就是在快篩之後嘛！","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"許代理司長嘉倩","start":"2026-04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