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大家 主委啊 委員吼"},{"start":13.368,"end":32.614,"text":"主委,在這本席向你先探討一下,我們課宜基本法裡面在這個規定,在第四條的規定很清楚的,我們的課教委員領口代理三分之一,叫做課宜就要通宇的"},{"start":37.389,"end":45.424,"text":"那個交流嘛那離婚祭那個時候就是主要的通行嘛在這個規定裡面說"},{"start":48.174,"end":65.74,"text":"在一百七千年,已經十四到今年十一月,到北京要完成的時候,你認為現在的刻意實施,你覺得有麻煩嗎?來,主委,你回答一下。感謝委員的指導,可惜不滿意。"},{"start":70.141,"end":72.984,"text":"主委,你說的就是重點,我們想跟你說的是,奇怪我們的努力當中沒有進步、沒有打緊"},{"start":87.358,"end":108.134,"text":"還要比幾年,還要再退步這是什麼原因?因為我覺得你也很認真去選擇認真去做的在這個過程當中,我們的公務人員你也是鼓勵他們去核實、去學但是在這裡看的時候,我們是覺得說一年要比一年更好"},{"start":111.558,"end":117.133,"text":"要不然說了解我們土的資料跟我們所有的"},{"start":118.433,"end":127.139,"text":"是退步的所以主委在這個過程當中你有什麼好的方法嗎來 請主委"},{"start":149.073,"end":160.537,"text":"主委你沒有要求提升很多人說的你又要求說不能夠比前面那些人說但是事實上就已經越來越多人說了這就是危機的問題啦這就是定義跟說台語一樣啦你如果沒有用心去了解說要怎麼讓他們"},{"start":178.663,"end":185.768,"text":"可以繼續更進步的時候是越來越嚴重像我們的身體管理員也好廟裡管理員也好他的課程委員很多嘛你如果在那裡的時候你跟他一直選擇在那裡我們如果在那裡的時候你跟他不去選擇的時候像我自己去那裡都寫他是代表分的課程都在那裡很多"},{"start":207.591,"end":228.187,"text":"但是每一次看到的活動,還是我們中央有什麼說實在,他都想不到,我們中央說,啊,課委有什麼活動,有什麼,可以用課委來講告訴,這是很嚴重的,主委"},{"start":231.356,"end":238.699,"text":"也不是說要平安的那種種子種啦就運用的像所有的市民朋友在的這個問題這個問題意識啊 那每一個人都要有啊哪有可能成就一個這麼嚴重的問題啊"},{"start":251.385,"end":267.458,"text":"所以我們也要最核心的就是要開啟民眾對於這個課與流失的危機感危機意識因為主委我本席聽你這樣說的時候我認為你的意氣也有很多理由我們的課與流失去第一,像本席的理由說第一,大家不能說他講藝術"},{"start":281.349,"end":305.805,"text":"所以說,我希望主委要有一個配套的方法因為你跟我說,固定有時候我們的文藝也好,什麼資源也好都在自己固定可以表現的地方,這樣我們的科技不會進步啊我們要去移入進展的時候,像你們做的儀碼,你看做得好"},{"start":309.942,"end":338.02,"text":"在嘉義市的表演的時候有很多人看了尤其這次嘉義縣的發展的時候我們的羽馬也有很多人看了再來我們的燈怪的時候在這個表演的時候也可以客氣不可以因為一群人就沒有在那裡表演這樣我們的客氣"},{"start":339.361,"end":359.121,"text":"真的會流失去啦主委,你們政府像現在很好地表演的時候雖然是我們的政府誘惑,但是我們就是盡量要去各地去表演,大小廳都讓人了解"},{"start":360.692,"end":375.463,"text":"這裡的客人可以去參與,這才是最重要所以再來,我們的客人在裡面,很嚴重的就是你們還剩下三個月而已,要盡情在這階段的時候要怎麼可以真的使用,大家都會使用到"},{"start":388.459,"end":405.73,"text":"因為剛才有委員跟你們說,跟你們用的信你可知道裡面,不要說店家會說我們的課宜,阿伯你可知道裡面,整個八大裡面,跟二十二大,是我們課宜委員的財"},{"start":412.638,"end":420.023,"text":"那些東西,除了有美式的,還有什麼?你們的規定是如何規定的?你代表解釋一下好不好?跟議員說明,跟政府說明,要把規定推出來,主要創造、恢復創造跟恢復,用客語來消費的環境"},{"start":437.734,"end":451.998,"text":"主委,我問你,創造人是用美食的東西來創造我們刻意裡面的,還是裡面,我不排斥說美食還是日本料理,因為我覺得裡面的東西,你不覺得很奇怪嗎?"},{"start":464.201,"end":480.577,"text":"我們回想我們三十年前回想我們三十年五十年聽說總統在一個聚落買任何東西消費任何東西都是用我的語言那是很自然的事情但是這三十年下來全部用華語"},{"start":483.2,"end":492.188,"text":"所以透過這個消費的模式所以現在一個問題是很嚴重的就是說你東西也不是我們靠的料理的東西最不好你也要你的依然要你靠的依然東西也不是靠的"},{"start":503.298,"end":521.43,"text":"的料理,我們說的也不是靠的料理,跟我們談這個事情就不記得了,所以你也要反省說,有一次是我們靠的,的確是對的,說也不是八百多台幣跟二十二斤,是我們靠的,"},{"start":526.813,"end":528.775,"text":"我認同這樣的看法而且我們客家B2.0也要朝這個方向就不關商店營業的是什麼一定要說客語這件事情"},{"start":543.371,"end":550.716,"text":"因為主委本事是要跟你說,你有用心去用這個時候,你不管要什麼,像你說的,我們可以買百行,要不然用課宜說,這樣我們不就給大家那個標準,跟你說開支,要不然要說課宜,要不然要..."},{"start":564.605,"end":592.372,"text":"我們靠這裡的料理,這樣開車的錢,那有什麼意義所以在這裡面,我覺得這要去改善啦在靠這裡面的基本法的時候,我們說實在的要要的,因為要有時間、有教育像高一七,加大國小,他就辦得很好,他有10班、1班他不過都是有這個"},{"start":593.732,"end":612.626,"text":"一概念就算了,我認為這樣沒辦法長久之計我們這都要去改善去處理才對,我也認為大家互相委託你的依然要保存下去,要用心去改觀,以上完全認同,感謝王美燕"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:39:20.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:39:21.918000+08:00","text":"主席，我們請主委。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:39:21.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:39:21.998000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:39:30.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:39:30.548000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:39:31.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:39:48.594000+08:00","text":"在這裡本席先跟你探討一下客語基本法，裡面第四條的規定很清楚，客家人口達三分之一以上之鄉（鎮、市、區），應以客語為通行語之一……是。","quality":0.509},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:39:48.594000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:02.183000+08:00","text":"如果達二分之一以上者，應為主要通行語……是。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:02.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:20.599000+08:00","text":"這個規定在107年已經實施，到今年11月就實施了8年，你對於現在客語使用的實施情形有滿意嗎？","quality":0.541},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:20.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:21.459000+08:00","text":"主委，你回答一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:21.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:21.719000+08:00","text":"感謝委員的指教。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:21.719000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:27.141000+08:00","text":"確實來講，我不滿意，就目前客語使用的情形並不高，有滑落的跡象，所以……","quality":0.103},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:27.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:29.023000+08:00","text":"主委，你說的就是重點，本席要跟你說的就是，奇怪！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:29.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:40:48.641000+08:00","text":"在我們的努力當中，沒有進步不要緊，還比去年更退步，這是什麼原因？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:40:48.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:23.939000+08:00","text":"因為我覺得你們也很認真去宣導、認真去做，在這個過程當中，你也鼓勵公務人員去學習，我們是希望一年要比一年還好，不過就我們的所有資料來看是退步的，所以在這個過程當中，主委有什麼好的方法嗎？","quality":0.369},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:23.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:24.119000+08:00","text":"請主委，你回答一下。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:24.119000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:35.096000+08:00","text":"感謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:35.096000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:46.073000+08:00","text":"這個問題很嚴肅，是一個很大的問題，我們會裡的同仁也一再來探討這個問題，我覺得第一個是我們不要求提升，要止跌。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:46.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:53.616000+08:00","text":"主委，你沒有要求講客語的人口提升，你要求講客語的人口不能比去年少，不過事實是講客語的人口已經越來越少了，這確實是個危機……","quality":0.491},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:53.616000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:41:54.616000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:41:54.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:42:16.164000+08:00","text":"這就像在推行講臺語一樣，你如果沒有用心去了解要怎麼樣讓講客語的人口可以繼續再進步的話，是會越來越嚴重的！","quality":0.673},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:42:16.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:05.167000+08:00","text":"像新竹縣也好，苗栗縣也好，他們的客家人很多，如果你一直在那邊宣導，至於客家人少的地方，你一直沒有去宣導，像嘉義市的鹿寮，那邊大部分都住著客家人，不過每一次看到的活動，還是中央的客委會有什麼活動，說實在，他們都想不到有什麼活動，像可以用客語來講故事，這是很嚴重的，主委。","quality":0.445},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:08.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:39.974000+08:00","text":"沒錯，這是我們的重中之重，就是要讓所有的市民朋友知道，這個問題意識是每一個人都要有的，才有可能成就一個這麼嚴重的問題，所以我們現在最核心的就是要開啟民眾對於客語流失的危機感。","quality":0.728},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:40.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:40.555000+08:00","text":"危機意識。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:40.555000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:43:41.555000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:43:40.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:40.230000+08:00","text":"主委，本席聽你這樣講的時候，我覺得你也很擔憂我們的客語會流失掉，第一，就如同本席擔憂大家不會講臺語是一樣的，所以希望主委要有一個配套的方法，因為有時候我們的文藝或資源都只有在固定可以表現的地方，這樣我們的客語不會進步，我們要雨露均沾，像「雨馬」的活動你們就做得很好，在嘉義市表演的時候很多人去看，尤其這次在嘉義縣的燈會活動，「雨馬」也有很多人去看。","quality":0.713},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:41.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:44:57.222000+08:00","text":"再來，在「燈怪」表演的時候也可以使用客語，不能因為人少就不去那邊表演，這樣我們的客語真的會流失。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:44:58.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:21.315000+08:00","text":"主委，像現在有很好的表演，雖然你們的經費有限，但是你們就是儘量要去各地表演，不管大小場都要讓大家了解，讓講客語的人可以去參與，這才是最重要的。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:45:21.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:45:32.443000+08:00","text":"再來講到客家幣，只剩下3個月，還有這麼多錢，要怎麼讓大家真的都可以使用到？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:45:45.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:46:13.541000+08:00","text":"因為剛才有委員跟你們說，在使用的時候，不要說店家會不會說客語，幾百間店裡面只有22間是賣客家菜的，其他也有美式的等等，請你大概解釋一下你們的規定是怎麼規定的。","quality":0.521},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:46:14.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:46:17.003000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，也跟大家說明，推出客家幣主要是要創造跟恢復用客語來消費的環境。","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:46:34.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:46:41.936000+08:00","text":"主委，你說創造是用美食來創造客語？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:46:42.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:46:48.998000+08:00","text":"我沒有排斥美食或日本料理，但這裡面的東西你不會覺得很奇怪嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:47:01.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:47:22.422000+08:00","text":"我們回想30年前、50年前，在客庄聚落我們去買任何東西、消費任何東西都是用我的語言，那是很自然的事情，但是這30年下來全部用華語，我們是要透過這個消費的模式……","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:47:22.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:47:58.410000+08:00","text":"主委，現在有一個很嚴重的問題，就是說你的東西也不是我們客家料理，至少你的語言要是客家的語言，東西也不是客家的料理、說話也不是說客語，那麼我們花這個錢就不值得了，至少現在要限制有一樣是客家的特色，也不能有八百多家商家，其中只有22間是我們客家的。","quality":0.473},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:48:03.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:48:05.755000+08:00","text":"我認同委員的看法，而且我們的客家幣2.0也要朝這個方向進行，就是不管商店的營業如何，一定要說客語，這件事情是我們核心的工作。","quality":0.655},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:48:20.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:48:46.746000+08:00","text":"主委，本席是要跟你說，你有用心去做的時候，不管是賣什麼東西，像你說的，我們可以賣別的東西，但是要用客語，這樣才有辦法達到那個標準，否則你花了錢，結果商家也不說客語、也不賣客家的料理，這樣花這些錢哪有意義！","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:48:46.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:48:50.327000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得這部分要去改進。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:48:51.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:49:19.118000+08:00","text":"在客家基本法裡面規定要有教育，像嘉義市嘉大附小就辦得很好，他有一班在辦，不過都只有為了節日做一次而已，我覺得這樣不是長久之計，這都要去改善、去處理才對。","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-01T09:49:19.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:49:27.604000+08:00","text":"我也覺得，為了保存你的語言，大家要用心去解決，以上。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-01T09:49:28.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T09:49:29.325000+08:00","text":"完全認同，感謝王委員。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:49:29.825000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:49:31.825000+08:00","text":"謝謝王美惠委員。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T09:49:32.125000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T09:49:34.410714+08:00","text":"接下來請黃捷委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}