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校園在巡迴人權素養的教具箱有非常多元的教具還有"},{"start":476.056,"end":495.407,"text":"下面这个桌游的开发台湾文学馆做的以上这四个事情其实都是文化部在做文化部的文化馆社在做你们要跟他们搭上线人权叫故事车多来一些学校对不对人权故事行动的舞台剧或是展览多去我们的下乡"},{"start":496.608,"end":520.898,"text":"這些多元的桌遊課程都可以跟這些人權館或文學館來合作這些是不用你們的人甚至不用太多你們的錢搭便車好嗎然後促轉會過去也有非常多的當事人入校的一個分享這些我們都是跨部會可以搭便車的在下一頁"},{"start":521.858,"end":548.143,"text":"這些是現有的課程我們都有各校的文化美感的教學這是融入課程的我建議過去都去很多兩廳院故宮北美館高美館衛武營都很好融入對於人權館或者是不義遺址都是擴充這些選項而已不用花太多錢直接納入就好"},{"start":548.703,"end":574.467,"text":"On-Site Learning是UNESCO定定最有效的遺產教育的方式好最後一個這個也是剛剛講有很多管所其實人權管是我們要擴大合作的單位我過去歷次當然我是這一次在兩年後再回到教育文化委員會這是我2023整理的資料我們讓學生的校外教學前進人權管是"},{"start":574.947,"end":582.264,"text":"逐年遞減的我不知道為什麼這是2023的統計搭上這一股台灣的公民的民主補課"},{"start":584.028,"end":607.28,"text":"其实你不用有这些大家现在都去看自由的花蕊大家都去人权管但是教育部的责任教育部是主角不是配角对于人权管跟不易移植的这些融入校外教学的选择我们真的可以来推广出去我提供的这些建议都是在现在只有两个人力的状况之下马上就可以做的"},{"start":607.76,"end":636.638,"text":"至於如何去擴充Extend 2.0的部分我希望後續還有時間跟大家做更多元的討論但是不要忘了不是只有國教高教有相當大的責任好不好我今天提供給我們台獨頑固分子鄭英耀部長我們就要做更多當我們被中國鎖定我們代表我們做對了很多事我們毫無恐懼所以我們都不可以走了"},{"start":637.708,"end":655.623,"text":"感謝委員的一個指導我想我們都非常的一個具體也是我們很多東西跟我們目前的規劃方向是一樣包含高等教育裡面我們怎麼樣去創新教學計畫裡面就把它融入或者大學的USR我想我們會全面來很好USR是可以擴大的我們後續希望能夠有這樣的專題分享我們來進一步研議USR非常好我倒還沒有納入我們可以來做謝謝"},{"start":665.871,"end":672.442,"text":"谢谢吴思瑶委员的质询请部长会座我们现在休息五分钟谢谢"},{"start":763.232,"end":765.808,"text":"現在我就給它換好了還是有還是有我給它放這裡好了"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:53:43.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:53:43.471000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:53:43.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:53:44.372000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T10:53:44.372000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:53:47.177000+08:00","text":"請鄭部長備詢。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:53:47.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:53:49.921000+08:00","text":"今天的主題跟高教、國教都有關係。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T10:53:52.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:53:52.305000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:53:53.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:53:53.721000+08:00","text":"大家辛苦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:53:55.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:54:04.828000+08:00","text":"我剛剛有聽到林宜瑾委員針對轉型正義有提出他的一些觀點，我希望我給教育部的一些建議能夠補強。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:54:04.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:54:18.196000+08:00","text":"轉型正義就要從教育下手，教育部是主角，而不是配角，除了頒布行動綱領，我們的行動更要具體化，轉型正義就在我們每一天的生活裡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:54:18.196000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:54:32.355000+08:00","text":"部長，我要恭喜你，中國把你鎖定、跨境鎮壓。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:54:32.355000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:54:46.514000+08:00","text":"我們都心知肚明，他是劍指教育，因為過去威權時代一黨獨大的政府對人民洗腦，現在中共也是如法炮製，用認知作戰在扭曲我們下一代的觀念，所以教育就非常重要。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:54:46.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:54:53.860000+08:00","text":"吳思瑤跟你一樣，只是你比我高一級，你是已經認列為臺獨頑固分子，沒救了！","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:54:55.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:55:03.166000+08:00","text":"吳思瑤現在只是臺獨的打手、幫凶，也就是我在幫助你這樣子，你會怕中國對你的跨境鎮壓嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:55:03.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:55:03.186000+08:00","text":"會怕嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T10:55:03.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:55:10.216000+08:00","text":"我無憂無懼。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:55:10.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:55:25.485000+08:00","text":"無憂無懼，因為你是優雅的臺灣人，對於壞鄰居冠上的名稱，你會一笑置之，而且會更秉持著教育基本法培育人才，推動愛臺灣的愛國教育，守護臺灣的民主自由。","quality":0.646},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:55:27.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:55:34.110000+08:00","text":"吳思瑤跟你一樣，有一天如果我也能夠榮登榜上跟你列在一起，我會覺得是更大的光榮，我會持續的努力。","quality":0.605},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:55:34.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:55:52.070000+08:00","text":"但是從這件事情搭配著現在轉型正義的一個特快車，我認為教育部就應當借力使力，跟上這一股熱潮，搭上這班列車。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:55:52.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:56:04.935000+08:00","text":"轉型正義是全臺灣公民的民主補課，我們需要更多覺醒的賈永媫，教育部是主角，不是配角，雖然你剛剛說你們只有兩個人力，但我們來看看要怎麼做？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:56:08.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:56:37.172000+08:00","text":"德國用追討回來的不義黨產，大概40億元，成立了一個評估基金會，他們的做法是設立圖書館展示文物，支持公私立文化事務，包括各類的出版跟展覽，當然他們也鼓勵非常多的寫作、進行國際合作，更提供學術補助以及設獎學金。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:56:37.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:56:39.753000+08:00","text":"你可以想想，我們哪裡沒做到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:56:40.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:56:43.414000+08:00","text":"所以我說這裡有高教的工作，也有國教的工作。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:56:45.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:57:06.020000+08:00","text":"加拿大的轉型正義是對原住民族歷史的平反，不外乎是針對原住民族受迫害的那一段歷史真相來強化教育，他們的做法也是給補助，然後從課程來進行教學，不外乎都是這些做法。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:57:07.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:57:33.742000+08:00","text":"看看波蘭，波蘭更生活化，他們設計非常多生活化的桌遊跟教具，然後國家記憶研究院，其實就等同於現在退場的促轉會一樣，定期提供學校出版品、舉辦教師研習活動，而且進行受難者訪談，現身說法，這更有說服力，然後進行全國性的展覽。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:57:34.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:57:40.445000+08:00","text":"我舉這些國際例子是讓你想一想，我們還有哪些可以做更多？","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:57:42.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:58:26.912000+08:00","text":"促進轉型正義條例2016年修法的時候，吳思瑤的版本就是把促轉基金、追討回來的不義黨產，除了國家原始的用途要用在長照跟社福之外，增加了可以用在人權教育跟轉型正義相關的文化事務，我們要爭取促轉基金的使用，而促轉會退場之後，教育部就應當跨部會一起進行合作，教育部當然是以人權教育為主，但你們應當跟文化部保存的不義遺址或政治檔案的研究多多合作。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:58:27.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:58:43.802000+08:00","text":"我都提點到這裡了，馬上要到期的轉型正義行動綱領，2023年到2026年是第一期，請問你們有第二階段嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T10:58:43.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:58:48.367000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有的，我們朱次長現在在統合，我們有……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:58:48.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:58:56.975000+08:00","text":"好，會有第二階段，非常好，我建議主席未來也能夠有轉型正義的專報，所以有2.0，對不對？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:58:56.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:58:58.336000+08:00","text":"次長，確定會有，是幾年期的？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:00.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:03.305000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，是4年期的，從明年116年開始到119……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:03.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:07.329000+08:00","text":"4年，好，那預算呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:07.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:09.732000+08:00","text":"但是我們用1加4的方式，今年就會先超前……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:09.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:11.373000+08:00","text":"好，預算多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:12.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:12.054000+08:00","text":"足夠嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:13.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:17.265000+08:00","text":"原則上，我們會再申請促轉基金的協助，教育部也會勻支我們一些……","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:17.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:18.285000+08:00","text":"好，你之後來跟我說明你們新的規劃，好嗎？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:18.285000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:19.285000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:18.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:18.946000+08:00","text":"我希望你能夠納入我剛剛講的那些國際經驗，我要分享給部長、次長的是，不用怕！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:18.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T10:59:44.940000+08:00","text":"雖然只有兩個人力，當然我覺得不夠，還是要擴編，但是跨部會的下手、合作，以及公私合作，其實是一個很好借力使力的方法，因為民間有非常多這樣的NGO，我們可以去合作。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T10:59:45.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:00:15.878000+08:00","text":"我提供你幾個建議，第一個，國教端鼓勵教案的多元開發，融入課程；第二個，跨部會plus公私協力提出多元活動；第三，結合沉浸式體驗教育，就是把現在教育部在做的很多文化體驗課程搭配進去，而且要注意是現地教學（on-site learning），這是國教端我的三個期許。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:00:16.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:00:34.686000+08:00","text":"而高教端，現在的大學，部分學校針對轉型正義有通識課程，我認為可以鼓勵，也可以鼓勵這方面的研究，設立獎學金也是可以的方向。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:00:35.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:00:47.691000+08:00","text":"我這些綜整的意見，請問朱次長，對於通識教育及設獎學金鼓勵轉型正義的學術領域研究可以參採吧？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T11:00:49.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:01:02.605000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，委員剛才所提不管從國際經驗，到國教端跟高教端深化轉型正義都非常具體、可行，我想我們會把它納入2.0轉型正義綱領。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:01:02.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:01:06.228000+08:00","text":"我最後有3頁投影片很簡單，就安你們的心，你們可以在現有少少的人力，當然我希望擴充人力跟能量，怎麼做呢？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:01:18.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:01:50.264000+08:00","text":"「人權故事車」去巡迴校園，吳思瑤也爭取了到北投的學校；「人權故事行動展」還有舞臺劇，這個很好，在校園巡迴；「人權素養教具箱」有非常多元的教具；還有臺灣文學館做的桌遊開發，以上這四個事情，其實都是文化部的文化館舍在做，你們要跟他們搭上線，人權故事車多來一些學校，對不對？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:01:50.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:01:55.147000+08:00","text":"人權故事行動的舞臺劇或是展覽多下鄉。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:01:57.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:02:11.674000+08:00","text":"多元的桌遊課程，都可以跟人權館或文學館來合作，這些不用你們的人，甚至不用太多你們的錢，搭便車好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:02:12.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:02:19.937000+08:00","text":"促轉會過去也有非常多當事人入校的分享，這些都是跨部會可以搭便車的。是的。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:02:21.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:02:27.899000+08:00","text":"投影片這些現有的課程，各校文化美感的教學都是融入課程的。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:02:28.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:02:48.123000+08:00","text":"我建議，過去很多都去兩廳院、故宮、北美館、高美館、衛武營都很好，融入對於人權館或者是不義遺址，都是擴充這些選項而已，不用花太多錢，直接納入就好。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:02:48.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:02:54.568000+08:00","text":"on-site learning是UNESCO訂定最有效的遺產教育方式。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:02:55.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:03:19.498000+08:00","text":"最後一個，剛剛講有很多館所，其實人權館是我們要擴大合作的單位，我過去歷次……當然我這一次是兩年後再回到教育及文化委員會，這是我2023年整理的資料，我們讓學生的校外教學前進人權館是逐年遞減的，我不知道為什麼，這是2023年的統計。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:03:19.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:03:47.260000+08:00","text":"搭上這一股臺灣公民的民主補課，其實你不用有這些，大家現在都去看「自由花蕊」，大家都去人權館，但是教育部的責任，教育部是主角，不是配角，對於人權館跟不義遺址融入校外教學的選擇，我們真的可以推廣出去，我提供的這些建議，都是在現在只有兩個人力的狀況之下馬上就可以做的。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:03:47.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:04:01.248000+08:00","text":"至於如何去擴充extend 2.0的部分，我希望後續還有時間跟大家做更多元的討論，但是不要忘了，不是只有國教，高教有相當大的責任，好不好？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:04:01.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:04:15.377000+08:00","text":"我今天提供給臺獨頑固分子鄭英耀部長，我們就要做更多，當我們被中國鎖定，代表我們做對了很多事，我們毫無恐懼！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:04:16.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:04:16.337000+08:00","text":"你們都可以做吧？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T11:04:17.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:04:33.781000+08:00","text":"感謝委員的指導，都非常具體，很多東西跟我們目前規劃方向一樣，包含高等教育裡面怎麼樣在創新教學計畫裡面就把它融入，或者大學USR，我想我們會全面……很好！","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:04:33.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:04:35.182000+08:00","text":"USR是可以擴大的，後續希望能夠有這樣的專題分享，我們來進一步研議，USR非常好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-04-01T11:04:35.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:04:35.603000+08:00","text":"我倒還沒有納入，我們可以來做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T11:04:35.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T11:04:46.713000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指導。謝謝。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T11:04:46.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:04:49.397000+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤委員的質詢，請部長回座。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T11:04:50.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:04:51.340000+08:00","text":"現在休息5分鐘。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T11:04:51.340000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T11:05:37.286000+08:00","text":"休息（11時4分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T11:05:37.286000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T11:06:23.232000+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時10分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T11:06:23.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:06:23.232000+08:00","text":"現在繼續開會。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T11:06:23.732000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T11:06:27.732000+08:00","text":"下一位有請葛如鈞委員進行詢答。","quality":0.071}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}