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社會也需要真相那你們預計多久可以完成我昨天跟院長說希望一個月之內可以完成調查你們可以加快嗎我們規定是兩個月院長昨天也跟委員承諾我們會盡速的來完成但是我們不會刻意說拜託委員趕在一個月之內完成"},{"start":803.345,"end":815.496,"text":"我知道但是要加速好不好而且那個主要要接觸到真的知道真相的而且讓他願意講出事實這個才是關鍵好不好還原事實的真相最重要對好謝謝那你先請回我請那個勞動部我們洪部長"},{"start":818.999,"end":836.169,"text":"就是公安的問題 我很快的要幫我們這些從事演藝工作的臨演來請命因為我們看到現在這些臨演可能是我們現在安全網的破洞這個有調查 這個也是來自你們自己的調查52%從業者因公負傷 只有0.7%申請災保的給付"},{"start":844.133,"end":865.912,"text":"那最近爆發的這個案件呢他具組從來沒有幫他保勞保或災保所以這樣一個情況等於是這是舊的數據最舊的 那最新的有改善嗎這是災保法之前的數據那你們現在更新的數據你告訴本席啦對 但是這是確定這是災保法之前的那最新的你說"},{"start":867.399,"end":879.107,"text":"最近我們可能要再找一下可是目前的狀況因為災保法通過以後後來通過請工會協助然後等等等他的機制大概就不是這個數據了那為什麼這個臨演還是沒有災報"},{"start":885.498,"end":897.868,"text":"當然這個個案的狀況是可以檢討可是我說數據本身這不是現況的數據好啊 那你就告訴本席最新的數據對 那我覺得我們再來看一下有沒有最新的數據的話我再提供這樣好不好好 我要指出來是這邊還是有人沒有受到保障他的職業安全沒有受到保護特別是過去我們可能真的比較忽略臨時演員這一塊那因為有爆發這樣的一個事件我希望"},{"start":911.9,"end":931.555,"text":"你們可以好好的去改善這樣的一個現象那我這邊有三個建議我覺得這一些影視的這個臨時的演員勞工也不應該被拋棄他們還是應該要被好好照顧那第一個你們可不可以做到要求這一些臨演要百分之百投保這個職業災害保險"},{"start":933.7,"end":960.989,"text":"其實雖然他是臨演但是他還是可以請領的他還是可以請領的沒有投保的情況底下也可以請領跟委員報告只要他是受雇勞工是具有雇傭關係的他到職他就他是承攬他不是雇傭臨演現在被發現他只有承攬他不是雇傭這個個案是雇傭關係"},{"start":962.487,"end":983.199,"text":"這個是你們後來查到是雇傭是不是所以他是可以的根本說明這個案子發生之後我自己親自也主動找李遠部長那我們也針對目前對於這個影視圈的這個因為我們有指引嘛但我們也看到指引裡面其實確實有些不足沒有落實所以指引裡面有不足之處"},{"start":984.5,"end":1010.605,"text":"那也有一些部分在部分的比方說拍電視劇的部分特別不容易做好那我具體問你啦職業這個安全衛生自動檢查表要不要事先審查你們開會討論完之後需不需要他們現在是不用送的要不要要不要送審讓主管機關審核覺得你這個有做到因為有很多是爆破啊高空跳啊就是都是一些設計比較危險的那你們現在其實是沒有這個部分應該是會送影視局啦對"},{"start":1013.294,"end":1035.754,"text":"要嘛這是送隱私局會有一個自主檢查表對但是他們的那個對於職安的意識我們現在比較希望的方向是針對一些高風險的拍攝行為對那這些高風險的拍攝行為我們現在正在跟隱私局討論是不是應該想要設計一個這個在前端事前通報的機制所以"},{"start":1036.314,"end":1047.06,"text":"不只是這個安全衛生的部分尤其特別針對高風險的部分我們應該提前先掌握那這部分正在跟影視局還有跟業界那目前正在針對這個機制的討論正在討論中所以還沒有討論出來現在正在討論 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所以我們也跟"},{"start":1078.03,"end":1104.816,"text":"文化部在討論包括我們相對應的這些記錄其實都變成是應該變成文化部在補助的時候判斷的依據你們多久這個新的機制可以演繹出來你們的目標跟委員報告其實目前在配合子安法裡面的附屬法規也有把這個部分放進來所以我們應該是會在六月底把這個法案做法所以會做修法會做母法的修正然後再做配合"},{"start":1105.416,"end":1131.184,"text":"這是隨著去年底職安法修法以後我們也希望把這一塊考慮進來放到附屬法規裡面所以應該我今天剛有說我們希望7月1號其實職安法的部分可以就附屬法規經過預告以後可以上路啦所以7月1號可以上路對我們希望是7月1號好我們希望在這一塊就是要補足就是我們去照顧到這些臨演他們的工作職業的安全好謝謝謝謝王雲美委的發言"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:06:22+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T11:06:31.824000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:06:31.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:06:34.025000+08:00","text":"我們先請行政院李副秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T11:06:34.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:06:34.405000+08:00","text":"請李副秘書長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:06:34.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:06:34.645000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:06:42.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:06:43.509000+08:00","text":"副秘書長好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:06:44.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:06:59.043000+08:00","text":"今天委員會排這樣的一個專案，這當中很關切的就是有關於霸凌的議題，大家都對顏慧欣副代表去世的消息感到很痛心，同時也想知道真相。","quality":0.707},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:06:59.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:07:36.501000+08:00","text":"昨天我在院會質詢的時候其實就有直接詢問院長，雖然楊珍妮代表昨天沒有上台接受質詢，但是他有跟媒體說他跟副代表生前的互動是良好的，但是昨天下午隨即就有顏慧欣的友人出來說從顏慧欣3月12號去世到3月29號骨灰入塔，楊珍妮代表連一通慰問電話都沒有。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:07:37.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:07:43.644000+08:00","text":"我想請教李副秘書長，行政院掌握到的情況是這樣子嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:07:44.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:07:46.785000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個部分我們沒有獲得訊息。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:07:47.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:07:48.666000+08:00","text":"所以你們也不清楚？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:07:48.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:07:49.326000+08:00","text":"我們不清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:07:49.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:07:53.448000+08:00","text":"那行政院有派人去關心嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:07:53.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:07:53.908000+08:00","text":"慰問家屬？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:07:53.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:07:54.048000+08:00","text":"也不清楚？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:07:54.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:07:54.208000+08:00","text":"不清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:08:02.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:08:05.362000+08:00","text":"我覺得行政院你們掌握能力好像也太弱了吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:08:05.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:08:20.593000+08:00","text":"這個事情發生到現在，你今天要來委員會備詢，畢竟顏慧欣是副代表，也是一個很重要的職務，發生了這樣子的事情，我覺得行政院總該有人實際去關心慰問一下吧！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:08:20.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:08:22.554000+08:00","text":"結果你今天來委員會卻說你們都不清楚。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:08:23.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:08:32.983000+08:00","text":"昨天委員質詢院長的時候，院長當下接到幕僚的訊息時就有表達他的關心。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:08:35.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:08:45.735000+08:00","text":"我是問從知道他3月12號去世到3月29號入塔這中間，行政院都沒有派人再去慰問跟關心家屬？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:08:45.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:08:46.555000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們不清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:08:47.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:08:48.043000+08:00","text":"完全不清楚？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:08:48.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:08:50.326000+08:00","text":"那你們就是完全沒有掌握。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:08:50.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:09:12.071000+08:00","text":"我想外界這麼關心這件事情，是因為我們希望我們的公務人員在公務體系裡面得到的都是一個友善的職場，如果連顏慧欣這麼一位高職務的副代表都可能會受到來自上級長官的霸凌，然後抑鬱難申，我覺得這一件事情真的是值得大家來關注。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:09:12.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:09:35.697000+08:00","text":"所以今天我就要問，根據你們的「公務人員執行職務安全及衛生防護辦法」第三十五條，保訓會在知道職場霸凌的情況後，不一定要申訴，你們其實是可以採取一些調查行動的，這個在今天的報告裡面也有提到，那我就要問副秘書長了，請問這一條有在落實嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:09:35.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:09:51.051000+08:00","text":"以顏慧欣這個個案來看，事實上他在辭職信裡面就提到這個會被嚴厲訓斥的情況，那看起來這個也沒有處理。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:09:51.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:10:20.395000+08:00","text":"第二件要提到的是俞大㵢案，我昨天其實也就此問了院長，在我一再地逼問之下，院長才指示說希望外交部可以去瞭解，之前外交部是不想瞭解，說是沒有人透過正式的申訴管道、沒有這一案，媒體報導得這麼清楚，但是外交部的回應卻是因為沒有正式投訴，所以不告不理，也就是說因為沒有申訴人，所以就當作沒有發生。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:10:20.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:10:34.559000+08:00","text":"但是按照上述這個辦法的第三十五條，你們是可以主動去調查的，那為什麼之前外交部持這樣的一個態度而我們行政院沒有主動去要求？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:10:34.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:10:49.950000+08:00","text":"他應該要先去瞭解，包括20名清潔工還有外交人員被當工友使喚等等這些情況，你們應該可以要求外交部去主動瞭解，為什麼也沒做這個動作？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:10:50.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:10:53.813000+08:00","text":"是我昨天質詢要求院長應該要這樣才下了指令。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:10:56.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:10:58.731000+08:00","text":"這個是屬於外交部的權責。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:10:58.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:11:02.973000+08:00","text":"但是辦法裡面這樣規定，他們也是公務人員，第三十五條不是說你們可以主動去掌握嘛！","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:11:04.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:11:14.320000+08:00","text":"就行政院院本部的防治作業要點，我們若知悉的話是會下去釐清事實。對啊！","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:11:15.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:11:17.842000+08:00","text":"報紙都已經報導成這樣了，不是知悉了嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:11:17.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:11:23.086000+08:00","text":"所以我們在3月26號知悉以後就馬上成立調查小組，要去釐清事實","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:11:23.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:11:25.247000+08:00","text":"外交部這件案子嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:11:25.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:11:31.453000+08:00","text":"不是，是我們院本部的，外交部的是外交部要去處理的。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:11:31.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:11:38.140000+08:00","text":"所以你們院本部在26號有立案，是針對俞大㵢這個案子？不是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:11:38.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:11:40.042000+08:00","text":"不然是什麼案子？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:11:40.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:11:43.565000+08:00","text":"俞大㵢案不會到院本部來，那是外交部的職掌。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:11:44.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:01.483000+08:00","text":"我知道，如果是這樣子的話，那就變成外交部駐外單位發生任何霸凌的事件就是化外之地，因為行政院管不著，所以再怎麼嚴重，都要尊重外交部，也就是說他沒有一個更上級的單位可以往上申訴，行政院也不是。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:01.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:02.724000+08:00","text":"那是總統府嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:02.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:04.325000+08:00","text":"是總統的職權？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:04.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:06.287000+08:00","text":"這個就我看來是有漏洞啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:07.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:22.911000+08:00","text":"昨天是因為我在院會就此質詢院長，院長也認為應該要處理，要不然外交部次長本來是覺得沒有人透過正式管道申訴，沒有要受理耶！","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:23.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:27.111000+08:00","text":"那如果未來再發生類似這樣的案件，請問怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:27.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:27.712000+08:00","text":"這是不是漏洞？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:28.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:31.072000+08:00","text":"你們整個行政院要不要去檢討？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:31.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:33.513000+08:00","text":"不可能我們的駐外單位就是化外之地啊！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:33.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:48.636000+08:00","text":"派駐到那邊的也都是我們的公務人員，當他們發生一些職場霸凌的事件，如果外交部官官相護，採取不告不理，完全就持著「因為你不敢具名」、「你沒有正式申訴我就當作沒有發生」的態度，那恐怕情況會更嚴重。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:48.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:49.037000+08:00","text":"這怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:12:49.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:12:50.777000+08:00","text":"在我們的現行規定中，對於知悉的部分是要下去釐清事實。對啊！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:02.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:09.134000+08:00","text":"你們的第三十五條有沒有將我們這些駐外單位納入範圍？有。有啊！","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:09.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:16.698000+08:00","text":"所以我剛剛講，像俞大㵢案你們就可以要求外交部要去瞭解，你不還是上級督導單位嗎？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:17.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:18.139000+08:00","text":"還是說外交部現在不歸你們只歸總統管？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:19.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:22.081000+08:00","text":"不是，外交部自己有對於霸凌的防護委員會。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:22.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:22.722000+08:00","text":"我知道，但是他做得不好啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:22.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:23.062000+08:00","text":"他被動啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:23.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:23.342000+08:00","text":"他消極啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:23.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:23.422000+08:00","text":"那這個時候怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:23.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:47.455000+08:00","text":"這個就是我要跟你講的，勞動部在我們的監督底下，他現在提出來的機制是可以有更上層的單位，就是說原單位企業如果不受理的話，他可以跟公部門投訴，但你們是公部門，我就問你，若外交部不受理的時候怎麼辦？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:47.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:48.896000+08:00","text":"可以跟行政院投訴嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:48.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:50.257000+08:00","text":"還是跟總統府投訴？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:50.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:13:53.699000+08:00","text":"你的更上位的監督機制到底在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:13:58.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:14:18.101000+08:00","text":"副秘書長，我覺得這是個漏洞，希望你們回去之後把這個洞補起來，現在看起來就是你都表示尊重原單位，那我就問你，當原單位沒有受理或者受理不公時，請問還有再上一層的機制嗎？有嗎？","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:14:18.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:14:18.761000+08:00","text":"可以上到哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:14:18.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:14:18.981000+08:00","text":"不知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:14:26.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:14:28.895000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們在會後再去釐清一下。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:14:30.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:14:56.757000+08:00","text":"我要求這個部分的洞應該要補起來，不可以有這樣子的情況，既然之前發生了這一些霸凌案件，那我們就應該要做好，當時勞動部修法是勞動部這邊的，但是公務人員這邊，你們也說你們要好好來修法、要來落實，但我覺得顯然你們現在的辦法裡面還是有漏洞，我希望這一塊要補起來。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:14:56.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:15:10.160000+08:00","text":"這就是我講的，現在在勞動部這邊，他可以向地方勞工局投訴，然後由外部第三方強制介入，但是在公部門這邊卻沒有更上層的單位，這個應該要做。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:15:10.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:15:24.247000+08:00","text":"另外一個我要問的是這個小組的審議，以顏慧欣這個個案為例，現在已經有4位外部委員來進行調查，對不對？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:15:24.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:15:28.289000+08:00","text":"問題是誰來督導這件事情可以讓這個調查更完整？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:15:28.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:15:48.482000+08:00","text":"我昨天也跟院長講，我要求的第一點是涉及霸凌的當事人他要不要調離現職，因為如果這個最高主管還留在這個職務上，沒有暫時調離現職的話，請問他整個辦公室下所掌管的人員有人敢講真話嗎？","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:15:50.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:16:01.345000+08:00","text":"會不會礙於這樣的壓力──他都還在這個位置上，誰講馬上就被發現，然後對他的保護其實是不周全的，你們有沒有考慮過這樣的問題？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:16:01.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:16:11.190000+08:00","text":"你要讓調查還原真相，涉及霸凌的當事人主管是不是需要暫時請假或調離現職，讓這個調查可以更深入。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:16:11.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:16:12.611000+08:00","text":"副秘書長你的看法呢？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李副秘書長國興","start":"2026-04-01T11:16:13.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:16:27.287000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們的外部委員現在正在調查，協助我們把事實釐清，我們會依照調查的結果還有防護委員會的審議決議來處理。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:16:27.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:16:42.221000+08:00","text":"我知道，我要告訴你的是，調查結果能不能還原真相在於他能不能接觸到這些跟事件相關的人，而這些事件相關人會不會有來自上級的壓力？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:16:42.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:16:48.226000+08:00","text":"他可不可以有一個好的保護，讓他敢把事實真相完全說出來？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:16:48.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:16:54.711000+08:00","text":"大家都還記得，勞動部發生霸凌案的時候，當時第一次的報告是霸凌案不成立，有沒有調查？有！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:16:55.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:16:57.093000+08:00","text":"有沒有還原事實？沒有！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-04-01T11:16:58.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:16:58.695000+08:00","text":"所以這個就是關鍵。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員育敏","start":"2026-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