{"error":false,"id":["168144"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":168144,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168144","日期":"2026-04-01","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-35-6","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":6,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[35],"委員會代碼:str":["外交及國防委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-04-01T11:49:14+08:00","結束時間":"2026-04-01T11:59:30+08:00","影片長度":"00:10:16","支援功能":["ai-transcript"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106c62401077a45072c3bad885c3c28ba2b2994a069f48f295f3e391b23e5ee14c115ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"謝龍介","委員發言時間":"11:49:14 - 11:59:30","會議時間":"2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「台馬 ECA生效後之經貿效益分析及台吐、台帛氣候防護合作成效」，併請經濟部、財政部、農業部列席，並備質詢。）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":1.0434687500000002,"end":2.98409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":3.1697187500000004,"end":4.16534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":11.35409375,"end":11.759093750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":11.809718750000002,"end":14.695343750000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":15.04971875,"end":15.387218750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":15.437843750000003,"end":17.024093750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":17.37846875,"end":20.027843750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":20.88846875,"end":22.778468750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":23.723468750000002,"end":26.38971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":26.79471875,"end":28.785968750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":29.47784375,"end":29.76471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":30.55784375,"end":31.43534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":31.941593750000003,"end":33.08909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":33.494093750000005,"end":34.52346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":35.53596875,"end":38.53971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":38.877218750000004,"end":39.940343750000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":41.32409375,"end":43.602218750000006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":44.462843750000005,"end":48.32721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":50.43659375,"end":55.70159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":57.000968750000006,"end":57.38909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":57.77721875,"end":60.612218750000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":61.27034375,"end":79.07346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":67.61534375000001,"end":69.53909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":79.61346875000001,"end":80.64284375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":81.23346875,"end":83.83221875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":84.40596875,"end":87.20721875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":87.22409375000001,"end":87.81471875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":88.30409375,"end":89.62034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":90.17721875000001,"end":97.97346875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":98.90159375,"end":109.38096875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":99.40784375000001,"end":100.79159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":109.68471875,"end":116.41784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":118.17284375000001,"end":119.80971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":120.61971875,"end":121.71659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":122.64471875000001,"end":125.59784375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":125.86784375,"end":127.62284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":129.15846875,"end":130.40721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":131.47034375,"end":132.58409375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":133.14096875,"end":133.76534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":134.23784375,"end":135.09846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":135.79034375,"end":137.86596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":138.59159375000002,"end":140.81909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":141.49409375000002,"end":141.83159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":142.70909375000002,"end":143.18159375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":143.92409375,"end":144.68346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":145.03784375,"end":145.84784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":146.43846875,"end":146.79284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":147.04596875000001,"end":147.65346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":149.35784375,"end":150.15096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":151.51784375,"end":153.67784375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":154.30221875,"end":154.67346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":155.82096875000002,"end":156.63096875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":158.50409375,"end":162.40221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":164.05596875,"end":166.03034375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":166.38471875000002,"end":168.78096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":169.48971875,"end":172.24034375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":173.03346875,"end":174.55221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":175.02471875,"end":176.83034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":176.91471875000002,"end":177.89346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":178.90596875,"end":181.23471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":181.82534375,"end":183.24284375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":183.96846875,"end":185.18346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":185.28471875000002,"end":185.58846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":186.28034375000001,"end":187.46159375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":189.80721875,"end":191.30909375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":192.91221875000002,"end":193.84034375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":197.28284375,"end":199.51034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":200.92784375000002,"end":202.59846875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":203.39159375000003,"end":203.69534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":204.28596875000002,"end":205.56846875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":207.50909375,"end":211.39034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":211.81221875,"end":212.77409375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":214.15784375,"end":214.96784375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":215.42346875,"end":216.84096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":217.41471875000002,"end":218.59596875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":219.45659375000002,"end":221.71784375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":222.52784375000002,"end":224.58659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":226.17284375000003,"end":227.60721875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":227.74221875,"end":230.50971875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":230.96534375000002,"end":232.14659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":233.17596875,"end":233.61471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":234.01971875,"end":234.82971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":235.90971875000002,"end":237.22596875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":238.39034375000003,"end":238.72784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":239.52096875,"end":241.46159375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":242.17034375000003,"end":243.85784375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":244.81971875000002,"end":246.89534375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":247.51971875,"end":249.44346875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":250.27034375000002,"end":251.75534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":252.68346875,"end":256.19346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":256.71659375,"end":260.27721875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":260.49659375000005,"end":261.44159375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":262.62284375,"end":263.41596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":263.55096875000004,"end":265.98096875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":266.99346875000003,"end":270.40221875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":270.63846875,"end":272.64659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":274.55346875000004,"end":277.45596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":277.77659375,"end":278.26596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":279.34596875,"end":280.44284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":280.96596875,"end":282.61971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":283.61534375,"end":288.22221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":289.53846875,"end":292.94721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":293.68971875,"end":295.05659375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":295.61346875000004,"end":295.96784375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":296.60909375,"end":297.40221875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":298.07721875000004,"end":299.84909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":300.35534375000003,"end":301.77284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":303.05534375,"end":305.87346875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":307.24034375,"end":312.21846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":313.60221875,"end":315.17159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":316.31909375000004,"end":318.00659375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":318.42846875000004,"end":319.18784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":319.57596875,"end":321.76971875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":322.93409375000005,"end":323.23784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":324.79034375000003,"end":325.61721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":326.47784375000003,"end":327.64221875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":328.09784375000004,"end":328.77284375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":329.16096875,"end":332.28284375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":332.90721875,"end":333.09284375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":334.96596875,"end":336.31596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":338.52659375,"end":352.31346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":352.85346875000005,"end":357.10596875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":357.66284375000004,"end":359.55284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":362.21909375,"end":363.99096875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":364.49721875,"end":366.85971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":367.11284375,"end":369.47534375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":370.09971875,"end":374.41971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":375.65159375,"end":377.17034375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":378.28409375,"end":380.51159375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":380.89971875000003,"end":386.75534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":387.37971875000005,"end":387.86909375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":387.93659375000004,"end":391.02471875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":391.15971875,"end":393.23534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":394.33221875000004,"end":395.24346875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":397.50471875000005,"end":397.87596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":399.66471875,"end":400.28909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":402.21284375000005,"end":404.05221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":404.42346875000004,"end":405.11534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":405.68909375000004,"end":408.05159375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":409.01346875,"end":411.27471875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":412.00034375,"end":413.55284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":413.92409375000005,"end":414.37971875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":414.97034375000004,"end":417.55221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":420.01596875,"end":421.21409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":421.23096875000005,"end":421.33221875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":422.00721875000005,"end":431.49096875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":432.52034375000005,"end":432.89159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":433.81971875000005,"end":436.03034375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":437.48159375,"end":440.09721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":441.80159375000005,"end":442.83096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":444.06284375,"end":451.42034375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":445.98659375000005,"end":448.61909375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":452.24721875,"end":452.71971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":453.68159375000005,"end":455.65596875000006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":457.03971875,"end":461.81534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":457.37721875000005,"end":458.28846875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":463.36784375,"end":464.29596875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":464.71784375000004,"end":465.57846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":465.94971875000005,"end":467.02971875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":467.51909375,"end":477.49221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":469.94909375000003,"end":475.02846875000006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":478.15034375000005,"end":478.63971875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":479.01096875,"end":479.87159375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":479.97284375000004,"end":483.90471875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":484.68096875000003,"end":489.50721875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":491.38034375,"end":491.78534375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":492.34221875000003,"end":496.49346875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":497.01659375,"end":499.44659375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":499.88534375,"end":501.33659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":502.70346875,"end":504.57659375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":505.04909375000005,"end":508.18784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":509.82471875000005,"end":511.44471875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":511.57971875000004,"end":512.5247187499999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":514.3134687500001,"end":518.2959687499999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":518.59971875,"end":518.9709687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":519.71346875,"end":522.1772187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":523.83096875,"end":525.1472187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":526.1765937499999,"end":527.5434687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":528.48846875,"end":541.6172187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":529.02846875,"end":532.15034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":535.1540937500001,"end":537.63471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":538.86659375,"end":540.26721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":544.48596875,"end":549.24471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":549.4978437500001,"end":549.9028437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":549.98721875,"end":551.11784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":552.68721875,"end":553.95284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":554.64471875,"end":555.15096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":557.6147187500001,"end":558.71159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":559.36971875,"end":560.11221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":561.24284375,"end":561.8334687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":562.5590937500001,"end":563.03159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":563.6897187500001,"end":568.14471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":569.0390937500001,"end":571.7053437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":572.5490937500001,"end":573.6628437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":574.15221875,"end":575.3840937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":575.99159375,"end":580.7334687499999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":581.07096875,"end":583.2140937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":583.6865937499999,"end":585.4753437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":586.6397187499999,"end":589.4240937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":590.62221875,"end":591.1115937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":591.5334687500001,"end":592.2084687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":593.5247187500001,"end":595.14471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":595.71846875,"end":597.8615937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":599.19471875,"end":599.5490937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":600.17346875,"end":601.30409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":601.72596875,"end":602.85659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":603.73409375,"end":605.1853437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":606.5859687500001,"end":608.22284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":608.89784375,"end":611.9522187499999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":612.3403437500001,"end":612.57659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":612.94784375,"end":613.57221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":614.1628437500001,"end":614.55096875}],"whisperx":[{"start":1.332,"end":4.073,"text":"主席 我請保長好 請林部長保長 你好你好 很辛苦 外交的行為是很辛苦 而且挑戰性很多尤其我們台灣中華民國這八十年來 外交的促進就是全面挑戰"},{"start":32.181,"end":55.31,"text":"但是喔 要不信啦我不要在這個地方去講那個意識形態 沒意義啦你們就在外面那麼辛苦在拚啊再來在這裡亂笑話對不對 要講真心話今天四月初一啦 一月二月三月請問你 你跟你的同齡狗娘有什麼關係"},{"start":59.446,"end":81.739,"text":"你們有出國訪問嗎?我出國過,每次去、回、回、回、回、回常態性的,就是中午生是怎樣?他還要拖到中午、勤拖中午生,大家捏到手臂這叫你講中午生,不然是保盲,鄉鎮保盲最高興的你請他照應,對不對,不然把你三八角"},{"start":85.201,"end":96.83,"text":"不然就不能送家庭這樣就難看了所以他剛才在問你都沒什麼要跟他答應我知道你正中下懷,沒心的對你最好的"},{"start":99.516,"end":116.084,"text":"有啦 進行過啦 新增項目 還是要你大願同意新增項目好啦 你來找我 我就跟你說新增項目我給你支持啦那個 陳導委員 美國這是我們很重要的一個外交的中央不能把派遣的逗陣 管理的逗陣 放卡地盤給大家看尤其是下市下場 去到外國繞一圈 這不好"},{"start":129.469,"end":145.281,"text":"當然不是你做的 裡面有人 他代表啊我個人對他的個人也沒有意見大家都為了中華民國在做事情啊那麼為什麼在他主席 幾年就在跟大家說他八百多萬後備開 開得很壞"},{"start":158.707,"end":187.319,"text":"這是你內部 外部的資料是怎麼可以丟出來的好知道啦 我的解讀是說 老總統要把他挖起來 挖不起來他不會說朱立民代表是非常重要的一個角色不經過美國的同意 你就安心要把他挖起來 哪有那麼簡單的但是你沒有到30點鐘 你出來替他定情你會記得嗎 幾年 你出來替他定情嘛"},{"start":189.844,"end":193.786,"text":"這就是一個陷阱那麼做多久美國以外 日本對我們也很重要你算突破這記憶了這我給你簽訂了日本裡面呢 總之是到大陸建高的時候有一個密切的那就是中華民國的官員 總統 副總統"},{"start":219.602,"end":224.183,"text":"行政議長跟外交部長這四個人不能去訪問老總統擔任副總統的時候去參加安倍首相的家庭這算一個突破歷史第二的突破當然努力很多但是第三個突破"},{"start":244.875,"end":261.282,"text":"對他們來說這就是美中不足 也沒有對等也沒有尊嚴去到那裡 硬硬硬硬回來還給我們放婚照 他們還給我們放公一半就整個安排裡面 沒有我們本來的期待 那麼漂亮這種沒有尊嚴 沒有對等的外交他不是說跟我們做好的台灣有事 就是日本有事為什麼最好會煞車"},{"start":274.588,"end":294.6,"text":"有什麼最好的事情 當然你在這裡不便說這件事 要說突破 我說鬧開照你說 你是安排到一個可以放煙火的結構但是相對 日本也有接觸的很大的壓力你要體諒對方如果這樣 你看可以彌補嗎 有要再邀請一次嗎"},{"start":303.1,"end":312.082,"text":"就已經要重新去看一班救世了嗎你們現在在那裡講出第一句安大 有要去社務救中 去參觀一下嗎你們要安排一班嗎一班去比較有尊嚴 比較對等中華民國的最高行政首長有要安排嗎 為了一件我們要參考你現在叫我去 我幫你加油 幫你挺到這樣"},{"start":334.996,"end":359.09,"text":"有要再安排一遍嗎?因為那個 左院長就有對外說明這個是私人行程私人行程 你回來都說外交大突破跟私人行程我本來是要提案說這個不應該由自己包機啊應該我們給他專機都不為過 怎麼可以讓他發錢咧對不對 不是外交大突破嗎"},{"start":362.25,"end":373.956,"text":"給他加油就加油嘛 國家給他開就開 你看一個行政議長 自己又提前 我去看一張圖這樣變成你過去 你對著外交安排 這裡的勞力團都幫你摸索不需要嘛 勇敢嘛 面對嘛 但是你的關係 不錯就是不錯嘛 這坦白講所有你去問台灣的鄉親就對了 大家對日本的印象都不錯"},{"start":388.556,"end":393.059,"text":"這個管理可以維持,可以突破的時候,你為什麼不敢,勇敢不敢走?為什麼啦?為什麼?你又要安排再度讓道義長,我們的鄉親議長,再度訪問日本嗎?"},{"start":409.059,"end":435.706,"text":"不過委員前面的前提說是什麼安排這個我想卓院長已經有對外說明了這是私人行程你沒辦法再安排他還可以在一個私人行程去關心我們台南子弟在西武隊打棒球的林安可他可以再安排一次私人行程去嗎"},{"start":437.826,"end":461.494,"text":"這委員的意見我們都有會尊重你有沒有要安排沒有啊因為不是我安排的所以我有一隻假說的情緒你外國補充你要給助理代表說啊你沒有要我安排不然你怎麼去你去是什麼地方我當然是我可以自己安排自己啊你可以再去一遍嗎"},{"start":463.407,"end":476.959,"text":"我現在在這裡 外交有很多這個非常微妙的地方我已經講過嘛 你確實已經做了一個很重大的突破嘛照理講 你回來有準修六年嘛 你沒有敲鑼打鼓嘛但事實這是一個在台日期間這五十年來很重要的一個突破"},{"start":492.406,"end":508.035,"text":"你說他們都會聽到,我內行的,我幫你蒙這個就是這樣嘛!不過辛苦,很辛苦啦!可以再度突破嗎?你有要再度去突破跟日本的往來,再度去日本互蒙一遍嗎?謝謝委員的提醒跟期許你不敢把台灣人當他們,不可以我們這麼天理"},{"start":519.838,"end":521.684,"text":"你如果要安排再去一遍 你就不敢這樣你是要做一個外交的戰術"},{"start":529.534,"end":539.002,"text":"外交要有勇氣也要有智慧啊所以這個是非常委員很有智慧你的有智慧的意見我都會放在心上我是傾聽你"},{"start":557.659,"end":580.571,"text":"因為那時候,你能緊張,沒有很扯到,這是對你對外交的恐懼,這點我是跟你很傾聽但是對對方一定會氣一半就對了,每每各各,是各自的很多但是又去對方給我們落魅各個,我們要吞下去,這我也沒辦法他這話我也是要吞下去啦,但是對我們很不公平啦"},{"start":586.75,"end":596.553,"text":"會變成一個憲政議員出門,不對勁,沒尊嚴,開始搜刮事情,不是錢的事情,也不是機票的事情,對不對,轟轟轟轟出來,轟轟轟轟回來,這樣我們不可以給你獎金,所以這是漏氣一機,本來可以得分的,到現在沒那麼多,本來之前被刺殺了,謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}