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包委員這樣好不好我覺得委員這個小部分"},{"start":337.27,"end":364.747,"text":"反正日本那邊也有這個案例我們是不是可以允許我們來研究好不好我們來待會研究也跟委員報告其實勞動部這邊也非常非常幫忙我們現在目前因應我們現在目前的整個這一個蛇睡以下的這個部分我們其實賴總統他也非常關心就是社會投資其實我們現在目前家庭都面臨轉型這裡面有很多都需要我們的整個托育還有我們的整個像我們現在目前衛福部也推出了育兒指導員"},{"start":365.867,"end":378.178,"text":"我想很多都相關的人力我們都會有一個老公部這邊會有一個計畫來讓我們的保姆他這邊能夠有多元的其實雙薪家庭確實碰到這樣的一個問題尤其是孩子如果生病的時候家裡面又沒有人可以幫忙的這確實會造成他蠻大的一個困擾是不是有可能"},{"start":388.246,"end":416.351,"text":"就是有這樣的一個制度來產生我覺得也可以去研究一下我們來研究好不好那接下來我想請教次長就是說其實我們都一直在擔心就是說少子化這個議題這個逐年這個我們的新生兒逐年一直在減少那你看到這個數字你會不會覺得很可怕去年是10萬出嘛那你今年預計我們的新生兒會有多少人"},{"start":417.331,"end":437.082,"text":"會不會比去年還要再少那如果是這樣子的話我覺得整個育兒環境如果沒有改善的話其實我覺得年輕人不婚不生的這個狀況我是覺得是會越來越嚴重所以我一直在講說這個少子化是這個國安的議題"},{"start":438.764,"end":452.461,"text":"確實我覺得我們政府應該要多花一些時間去研究去檢討把我們的育兒環境做好那我今天剛剛看到一則新聞就是高雄的一位市議員在質詢的說"},{"start":454.324,"end":463.112,"text":"質詢高雄市長就是說如果生第三胎送一棟房子怎麼樣想說這個是政府這個可能不是政府做的來的就是說我們應該針對少子化的這個部分怎麼樣讓我們的育兒環境更好"},{"start":470.439,"end":491.832,"text":"那政府就是要做好這個支援整個支持的背後的這個系統可能也要都要做好讓他能夠無後顧之憂他才敢婚敢生嘛其實我們在地方都會碰到很多類似我們這種年紀小孩可能也都是室溫年齡了然後那他們也會很擔心就是說"},{"start":492.632,"end":513.129,"text":"我們的下一代可能就是不想結婚那當然就是有結婚可能有這個生的這個機會就比較大那連結婚的這個念頭都沒有的話這我覺得真的是我們要好好去思考怎麼樣讓整個育兒環境能夠更好那今年的這個新生兒的比例會不會比去年又更少"},{"start":513.949,"end":531.704,"text":"我覺得這個真的是一個很嚴重的問題我覺得這個應該是勞動部跟或者是我們衛福部跨部會要去檢討的一個議題我們現在目前其實有一個少子女化計畫那我想這裡面其實可是我覺得成效不彰"},{"start":534.064,"end":557.556,"text":"我覺得成效不長 如果說真的有用的話不可能每一年的這個新生兒的比例是逐年再降低是 包委員所以也正因為這樣所以說其實總統他自己是要提出我們現在目前有提出了這一個奢侈以下我想這基本上也是希望能夠用多元的方式我們有報告其實全世界各國處理這個問題不外乎就三個策略就是給錢 給服務 還有給時間"},{"start":561.338,"end":588.31,"text":"給錢的話其實我們現在目前有育兒今天0到6歲然後給服務絕對我們現在目前在加強在推動我也要利用這個機會跟大家鄭重來講就是說我們的公托一定是加倍然後我們的整個家外送托比例現在32對不對我們會提高到36第三個其實最重要是給時間那勞動部這邊其實也已經有通過育嬰留庭論日還有我們家庭照顧假論時這個都是一些彈性化的措施我知道說"},{"start":590.211,"end":595.355,"text":"可能要不久,所以我們會加強我們現在目前會有一連串的一個方案當然站在主管機關,我們當然希望就是說不能夠再補了我是覺得今年這個數字可能會再往下掉"},{"start":610.445,"end":637.87,"text":"這確實真的很嚴重我覺得真的如果不花一些時間花一些預算在這上面我覺得這個真的對整個國家未來的競爭力確實是一個危機是一個危機所以我希望就是說因為也即將兒童節放年假大家都非常的開心我覺得政府應該要去想到怎麼樣讓我們的育兒環境能夠更好讓年輕人敢婚敢生"},{"start":639.19,"end":664.848,"text":"政府應該要投入更多的資源我覺得這一點當然就是說如果可以像那個有的民意代表提到那我是不是可以解決住的這個問題我覺得這個也是很棒啊只是說政府是不是有這個能力啊所以我認為就是說應該要投入更多的資源來解決這樣的一個少子女化的問題好不好真的要"},{"start":665.851,"end":689.041,"text":"多投入一些心思在上面要不然我覺得真的是還蠻嚴重的以前我們當民意代表的時候這個假日可能跑通話最多可能就是那個結婚喜宴那現在結婚喜宴一個月不到一次不到一場兩場真的很可怕所以我覺得真的政府要投入更多的資源在這上面真的是沒錯"},{"start":690.783,"end":697.172,"text":"我知道黃委員一直以來都非常關切這個問題我們這個也會回去跟院那邊來報告好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T11:55:57.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:56:00.191000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，先請勞動部洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T11:56:00.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:56:00.553000+08:00","text":"有請洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-01T11:56:00.553000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T11:56:06.952000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T11:56:06.952000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T11:56:13.351000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T11:56:13.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:56:55.255000+08:00","text":"前幾天我們有特別提到4月份即將開放家有12歲以下子女的家庭可以申請外籍幫傭，兒童節快到了，也有蠻多家長特別提到當孩子生病的時候，家長可能把一年當中的事假、有薪假全部用上了，但是往往都還不夠，因為孩子有時候感染腸病毒，一請假在家可能就是一個禮拜、兩個禮拜的時間。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T11:56:55.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:57:19.826000+08:00","text":"我想請教部長，4月份開始開放有12歲以下子女的家庭可以申請外籍幫傭，這確實可以解決當孩子們生病時請假在家的問題嗎？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T11:57:21.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:57:24.595000+08:00","text":"請問開放這樣的外籍幫傭是不是真的可以解決這樣的問題？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-01T11:57:26.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:57:31.680000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，剛剛委員講的情境其實是現在很多家長都會遇到的……沒錯。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-04-01T11:57:33.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:58:14.725000+08:00","text":"在這個情境裡面，可能也包括緊急性的狀況及臨時性的狀況，有可能不是緊急性，可是也還是希望減少負擔，所以我們其實有幾個相關的政策，當然現在外籍幫傭的新制是其中一個，如果是剛剛委員在講的狀況，其實最新的育嬰留停是可以以日來請，在小孩3歲以前可以以日來請，3歲以前有30天，平均每年有10天，其實也可以支應剛剛委員講到的需求，尤其現在有蠻多家長都是用以日來請的方式去因應小孩突然生病或感染腸病毒的問題，我們在數據上也看到使用的程度是蠻高的。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T11:58:16.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:58:35.833000+08:00","text":"確實現在還有很多家長一直在反映孩子們一旦生病請假在家，或者是幼兒園某個班級有人感染腸病毒，然後全班就都不能到學校，家長就會碰到類似這樣的狀況。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T11:58:36.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:59:24.658000+08:00","text":"我建議部長可以參考一下我們的鄰近國家，像日本他們有病兒的保育，我也想請教一下衛福部次長，我們的鄰近國家有這樣子的制度，就是孩子如果生病或者因為這個班級有人感染腸病毒，全班就都不能再到學校，可能要一個禮拜或兩個禮拜的時間，家長的假可能也都請完了，或者是不適合請假或沒辦法請假的狀況，是不是可以考慮一下病兒保育這樣的制度？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T11:59:27.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:59:29.360000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能把這樣的制度發展出來？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T11:59:29.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T11:59:32.041000+08:00","text":"我是不是可以請教一下次長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T11:59:33.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:00:00.079000+08:00","text":"非常感謝黃委員對這個問題的關心，我們知道家長確實有這樣的需求，但是站在衛福部的立場，我們必須考慮兩件事，第一個是小朋友的抵抗力確實比較差，如果真的有這種狀況的話，我們建議托育人員和醫護人員的角色恐怕還是要分清楚，也就是說，身體有狀況還是要有醫生……","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:00:03.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:00:07.122000+08:00","text":"當然、當然一定要有醫生，第一個就是帶到醫院嘛！","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:00:09.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:00:27.549000+08:00","text":"目前的狀況通常是家長自己照顧或是由阿公、阿嬤照顧，就因為班級裡面有人感染腸病毒，整個班級就都沒辦法再到學校，可能就是留在家裡面，有的是爸爸、媽媽請假或者是阿公、阿嬤自己帶。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T12:00:27.549000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:00:28.549000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:00:27.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:00:38.820000+08:00","text":"類似這樣的狀況，就像我剛剛講的，有的家長可能假都請完了，確實也需要有人協助他。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:00:40.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:01:22.945000+08:00","text":"我剛剛提到鄰近的國家有這樣的制度，當然這個制度也不是那麼完善，總是會有人覺得病兒的保育……尤其是在腸病毒高峰期的時候，可能也是一位難求，或者是病兒保育這種制度或這樣的環境，其實也不是每個地方都有，所以我在想勞動部或衛福部有沒有可能參考鄰近的國家，讓這樣的制度產生是不是有可能？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T12:01:24.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:01:32.053000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我覺得委員這個想法很好，反正日本那邊也有這樣的案例，是不是可以允許我們來研究？是。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T12:01:32.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:02:04.395000+08:00","text":"我們會帶回研究，同時也跟委員報告，其實勞動部也非常非常幫忙來因應目前12歲以下的部分，包括賴總統也非常關心，這就是社會投資，因為現在家庭都面臨轉型，這裡面有很多都需要托育，像衛福部目前也推出了育兒指導員，我想很多相關的人力我們都會來協助，勞動部那邊會有一個計畫來讓我們的保母能夠有多元的……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:02:04.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:02:19.946000+08:00","text":"雙薪家庭確實會碰到這樣的問題，尤其是孩子生病的時候，如果家裡面又沒有人可以幫忙，這確實會造成蠻大的困擾，是不是有可能有這樣的制度產生？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:02:20.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:02:21.667000+08:00","text":"我覺得也可以去研究一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T12:02:21.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:02:23.267000+08:00","text":"好，我們來研議好不好？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:02:24.187000+08:00","guessed":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是不是有這個能力？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:06:46.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:06:53.828000+08:00","text":"我認為應該要投入更多資源，解決這樣的少子女化問題，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T12:06:53.828000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:06:54.828000+08:00","text":"當然，完全同意。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:06:54.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:07:00.493000+08:00","text":"真的要多投入一些心思在上面，我覺得真的還滿嚴重的。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:07:00.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:07:14.059000+08:00","text":"以前我們當民意代表的時候，假日跑最多場的可能是結婚喜宴，現在結婚喜宴一個月一場、兩場，真的很可怕耶！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:07:14.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:07:18.201000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得政府真的要投入更多的資源在這上面，好不好？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T12:07:18.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:07:19.041000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T12:07:20.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:07:27.052000+08:00","text":"我知道黃委員一直以來都非常關切這個問題，我們回去也會向行政院報告。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-01T12:07:27.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:07:27.172000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T12:07:27.672000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:07:29.386286+08:00","text":"感謝委員，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:07:29.686286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:07:32.543429+08:00","text":"謝謝黃秀芳委員的質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:07:32.843429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:07:35.986286+08:00","text":"接下來請涂權吉委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}