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請部長回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:17.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:18.194000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:19.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:19.575000+08:00","text":"楊瓊瓔發言，邀請部長。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:19.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:19.655000+08:00","text":"好，請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:19.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:19.815000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:40.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:40.318000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:41.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:50.945000+08:00","text":"我們共同來討論教師荒的問題，因為我們看到教師荒不是未來的，它是現在正在發生的危機。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:50.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:02.712000+08:00","text":"所以請教教育部部長，目前已經出現了教師人力的結構性危機，有關這個出現的現象，本席來綜合幾項。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:02.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:07.896000+08:00","text":"第一個，教師甄試的時候報名人數是下降的。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:08.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:19.702000+08:00","text":"雖然我們的錄取率上升，但仍然補不滿，甚至出現有部分科別是開缺，但是沒有人來報考。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:34.429000+08:00","text":"如果連想當老師的人都在減少的時候，我們教育部在整個培育的制度是不是有出現失靈的狀況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:34.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:37.531000+08:00","text":"第二個，我要提出更嚴重的問題是人留不住。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:39.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:05.359000+08:00","text":"第一線的教師反應最直接，他說工作負擔過重，還有加上行政壓力爆炸，尤其是導師加行政的雙重負擔，各類的評鑑填報工作不斷地在增加，所以本席要請教，教育部是不是有一個整體的人力重建計畫？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:06.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:12.915000+08:00","text":"因為如果制度不改，未來還有人願意當老師嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:12.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:19.259000+08:00","text":"如果現在的現象已經產生，那我們的教育、我們的制度到底要怎麼改？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:20.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:35.569000+08:00","text":"教師荒不只是教育的問題，更是一個國安的議題，所以我們要怎麼樣支持老師，不讓他有這一些困境，國家的競爭力才能夠不流失？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:36.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:37.172000+08:00","text":"我要請教部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:40.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:03.304000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心我們老師的培育跟老師的穩定性，首先我要跟委員報告，教師人才在人力上的流失當然因素是複雜的，譬如說每30年一個世代，從民國57年到117年剛好是第2個世代交替，這是一個原因。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:03.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:12.891000+08:00","text":"第二個，在產業上，科技產業真的是蓬勃發展，它也吸引了許多STEM的老師。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:12.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:41.451000+08:00","text":"第三個，在師資的培育，過去我們的師大公費制度，缺多少老師就招多少學生來儲備，但我們現在完全是儲備制，師資多元從民國83年開放以後，師資培育的供給量事實上是遠大於需求量，這一點我必須要先說明。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:42.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:03:10.921000+08:00","text":"最近，特別在去年我們看到許多代理老師會大量地缺，是因為我們希望確保國民教育的品質，雖然少子化，但是我們希望各校不要有太多比例的代理代課老師，儘管他們裡邊也有很多熱情有使命感的，所以國教署從111年到114年特別透過各校只要保留8%，因為我們看到地方縣市教育，有的中小學的代理老師占到百分之二十幾、三十幾，我們希望穩定老師的教育品質，為了因應少子化老師最多能夠控留8%，所以從111年開始，由國教署來補助地方教育局處經費，如果你學校只控留在8%，改善了，等於說你要開始釋放出更多正規合格教師的缺，從111年開始每年大概都補了5,000個，等於111、112、113、114這4年裡，原來代理代課的老師有2萬個幾乎都變成正式缺的老師，所以原來代理代課的老師確實是會有一些不足。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:03:11.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:03:57.782000+08:00","text":"再加上譬如說以臺北市為例，非常嚴重，大家都看到了一些媒體的報導，因為臺北市過去是給代理代課老師一年的薪資，當法院判定各地方縣市、22地方縣市，有的給9個月，有的給10個月，並沒有像臺北市給一年，當我們這個制度一改變，全部代理代課都要給一年薪資的時候，臺北市的物價、生活指數各方面當然就比不上，因為條件都一樣了，所以有一定比例的年輕人，他要從事教職，他有熱情，當然就回到他自己的故鄉，我想這是有多樣的原因在滾動。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:03:57.782000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:04:29.006000+08:00","text":"當然我們也看到偏鄉、離島的，譬如原住民地區，我們從去年開始就請屏東大學開原住民公費專班，我們也看到STEM的一些課，也請臺灣師大去開一些公費專班，除了這個以外，我們還有一些學士後專班，針對這些偏鄉離島的代理代課老師沒有教育學分者，我們甚至開線上的課程。","quality":0.284},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:04:29.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:04:58.648000+08:00","text":"事實上我們是從整體的系統去看師資的培育，包括世代的交替，我們希望在這個部分培養出來的老師，一方面解決讓許多熱情的老師能夠留在中小學繼續為臺灣培養人才的問題，另外，我們也開始更大量地培養各領域的師資人才，包含STEM的人才。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:04:59.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:05:23.024000+08:00","text":"當然我也利用這個機會要拜託地方政府，當教育部培養足夠的各領域人才、師資人力的時候，地方怎麼樣去透過一個攬才、留才的機制，讓許多年輕人能夠繼續為臺灣培養人才來一起努力，一起為臺灣做出貢獻。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:05:23.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:05:47.981000+08:00","text":"本席願意給部長大概3分鐘的時間去說明，但是我們看到你目前所有的政策、制度跟執行還是一個問題──教師荒，所以本席認為，當政府制定了制度，在執行的同時，必須要去看到目前的現況到底是如何。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:05:48.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:06:26.047000+08:00","text":"如果依照剛剛部長所說的，沒有辦法解決我們現在所稱的教師荒，不過還好你知道問題在哪裡，又因為你身為教育最大的機構，所以更應當要從中看怎麼樣去研擬方案，能夠落實、解決目前家長、學校等沒有教師的這個隱憂，這才是我們要的，所以我願意給你這麼多時間說明，也就是到目前為止，我們的制度你要怎麼調整。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:06:26.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:06:56.151000+08:00","text":"我還是一句話，我們希望協助學校，協助我們的家長，協助我們的教師，而不是「教師荒」3個字一直印記在我們的社會、在我們的教育當中，所以我具體地建議，請你把剛剛所說的，你預計的KPI到底是如何，你把書面資料給本席，我希望能夠把「教師荒」這3個字去除掉，真正幫助學校，OK嗎？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:06:56.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:06:57.552000+08:00","text":"你多久時間可以告訴本席？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:06:58.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:06:58.933000+08:00","text":"多久時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:07:02.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:07:04.717000+08:00","text":"會後我們這一個data隨時都可以提供給委員。","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:07:06.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:07:08.178000+08:00","text":"就是你這個data要怎麼去調整嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:07:08.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:07:09.579000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:07:09.579000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:07:10.579000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:07:09.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:07:12.140000+08:00","text":"好，你既然已經有了，那就一個禮拜的時間給本席。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:07:12.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:07:21.885000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要討論的是，我們整個升學制度到底公不公平？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:07:23.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:07:34.112000+08:00","text":"我們一直強調學習歷程是多元性的表現，而且減輕壓力，但是現在似乎變成什麼呢？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:07:34.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:07:50.444000+08:00","text":"有資源的學生補習競賽包裝成果，資源不足的學生只能夠填寫基本的資料，所以本席要請教部長，城鄉學生在頂大錄取的比例差距有沒有持續擴大？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:07:51.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:08:16.241000+08:00","text":"因為教育最重要的是立足點的公平，資源差異的影響評估本席認為必須在一段時間做滾動式的調整，我們的目的就是要落實當時設計的公平與減壓目標，這個非常重要，請做說明。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:08:18.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:08:33.917000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心，事實上當這一個制度在改變的時候，我們這些比較鄉區學校的學生錄取頂大的比例是在增加的，詳細的情形請廖司長來說明。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2026-04-01T13:08:35.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:08:48.603000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為我們的升學管道現在分很多，一個是繁星，繁星其實就是顧及到每校都等值的一個概念，所以不管是鄉鎮或者城市地區的學生，錄取率其實是差不多的。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2026-04-01T13:08:49.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:08:56.607000+08:00","text":"再來，針對學習歷程檔案城鄉之間有沒有差距，這個我們有進行相關的研究調查，是不是會後提供給委員參考？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:08:57.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:09:07.171000+08:00","text":"部長，針對城鄉差距還有社會階級落差的部分，本席非常重視，你們必須要滾動式檢討。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:09:07.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:09:26.921000+08:00","text":"最後一個功課我要請教，因為3月23日教育部、司法院及法務部針對校園暴力問題、精神狀況不穩學生的事件等召開了公聽會，當時有家長請問了一句話：孩子在學校是真的安全嗎？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:09:28.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:09:42.091000+08:00","text":"這句話在我們的教育層面來說，是不應當有這樣的話語，因為我們一定要讓我們的孩子安全，不過到目前為止，教育部似乎都停滯在個案的處理。","quality":0.61},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:09:42.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:10:01.108000+08:00","text":"所以本席要請教部長，3月23日的公聽會中提到是不是有專輔機構介入，強制讓暴力行為在專輔機構裡協助，讓原本的校園能夠安全，也讓教師能夠有權責來處理？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:10:02.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:10:04.532000+08:00","text":"這是在維護孩子的安全。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:10:06.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:10:37.150000+08:00","text":"早上我也特別在法制委員會請問了，法務部跟你的立場是贊同設置專輔機構，但是司法還是認為有疑慮，所以我特別要請問部長，因為你的立場是贊成的，教育部是贊成的，是不是要更積極地三方再去會合，針對孩子在校園的安全，還給家長一個放心？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-01T13:10:37.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:10:38.150000+08:00","text":"提供友善校園讓老師安心地教，學生安心地學習，這一直都是我們在努力的，對於這些有暴力或者是情緒困擾的學生，怎麼樣有更個別化的安置跟教育的方案，這都是我們一直在思考的，我們願意再來討論。","quality":0.012},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-01T13:10:38.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:11:08.176000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長願意，三方趕快再會合，還給校園一個安全，謝謝。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:11:08.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:11:08.436000+08:00","text":"謝謝楊瓊瓔委員，請部長回座。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:11:08.936000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:11:12.364571+08:00","text":"接下來有請劉書彬委員詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}