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那這個是可以調整但是我還是希望說不要因為這個經費卡住因為這個計畫是好的 正確的話還是盡快能夠讓他通過經費問題當然還可以跟那個新北市政府在談不過你講的這也不是個案全盤台灣通案來處理好 我是希望說能夠盡量把這個五太經委能夠讓他完成我們來努力因為完成之後還要七年依照委員的要求 我們來加速好 謝謝 接著部長"},{"start":258.89,"end":276.822,"text":"時間到了還有 再問一下我們這個親民的這個的這個交通的規劃那請教一下部長你們有請這個國道的這個客運業者來配合這提出了蠻多的優惠86條路線有6折TIPA 12.0最高42折然後加10小時的這個轉成免費然後提供了這個122萬個座位但是呢"},{"start":287.189,"end":303.228,"text":"這個是3月25號的資料啦預售票才售出3.7萬張就是你們有122萬個座位啊但是呢只有售出3.7萬張那我不曉得最近的這個宣傳的情況怎麼樣那現在賣出了多少張"},{"start":303.889,"end":330.317,"text":"報告委員其實我們在這個國道客運的部分它本來預售的狀況都不會太好因為大家的習慣是到現場去買票那我們這幾年這兩年裡面我們推出了很多的優惠方案尤其在廉價的時候那我們有看到就是說每一車的這個承載人數的數量人次的部分其實都有在上升也就是說利用率有在提高利用率有在提高那我們希望可以做得更好"},{"start":331.214,"end":347.373,"text":"那我問一下局長 去年應該也有類似的這個優惠嗎我們最近這幾個連假都有那目前大概整體狀況整體狀況大概就是陳母部長剛剛所提到的部分就是個別車輛每車乘客率的部分的話從18點多拉到這個19點多"},{"start":352.717,"end":376.145,"text":"18點多到19點多再加一個人我們不是一台車可以做到快40個人嗎那個拉一個人那個在國道上面算是蠻不錯的那另外一個部分的話就是說東部東部這個排北宜蘭的部分那個運量都有這個成長那在西部的部分大概目前持平但是在西部各北的國道科運業者裡面有些人這個成長的比例都相當高"},{"start":376.945,"end":398.785,"text":"我這個是一個非常好的優惠也能夠節省大家的錢然後大家利用國道客運也能夠盡量不要去塞車這是好的政策但是我認為到現在為止好像不知道是宣傳效果不夠還是怎麼樣我們再加強宣導不然才提供那麼多的位置結果做不到一半好不好謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:44:23.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:44:25.612000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:44:25.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:44:25.632000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:44:25.632000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:44:33.054000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:44:33.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:44:33.775000+08:00","text":"部長好，辛苦了。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:44:34.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:44:51.722000+08:00","text":"先問一下地方建設的問題，五泰輕軌的這條路線，雖然是叫五泰輕軌，其實它的起點站是在三重，它是從三重最後到泰山的輕軌，然後在三重跟蘆洲線還有個交接。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:44:55.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:45:17.284000+08:00","text":"目前它的進度是今年3月4號環境部環評委員會已經通過了，等於是說可行性研究已經核定了，都市計畫變更也有公展的座談，然後環境部環評的法定程序已經完成了，接下來應該就是要等到交通部的綜合規劃報告嘛！","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:45:18.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:45:35.598000+08:00","text":"我看新北市捷運局好像今天有人過來，新北市捷運局有送了綜合規劃報告給交通部，在2025年12月第4次提送，我想請問一下有關五泰輕軌的最新進度？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:45:36.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:45:51.074000+08:00","text":"報告委員，目前已經在鐵道局審議當中，我們1月16號已經函請各相關單位大家一起來審查，因為這不是只有在鐵道局裡面審查，我們等他們的資料彙整回來之後就應該會有一些結論。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:45:51.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:45:54.378000+08:00","text":"因為它已經提了4次，是不是？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:45:55.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:45:57.962000+08:00","text":"就表示之前有被你們退了3次嘛！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:45:58.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:45:58.783000+08:00","text":"不斷在修正啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:46:01.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:46:10.262000+08:00","text":"因為這一關是綜合規劃評估，你們綜合規劃報告通常會審查多久的時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:46:10.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:46:11.584000+08:00","text":"我是不是請局長來回答？好。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T12:46:13.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:46:39.691000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實沒有一定的期程，要看計畫的成熟度，這個案子送進來的話，我們過去有一些相關議題的處理，包括跟高速公路之間的落墩問題，還有工程經費的檢討等等，我們對於這個案子的了解是應該這一次相關單位的審查意見回來，如果可以收斂的話，我們會簽給交通部建議召開捷運的審查委員會。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:46:41.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:46:44.327000+08:00","text":"所以你認為現在最大的問題在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:46:44.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:46:46.809000+08:00","text":"新北市有提出合理的說明了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T12:46:46.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:46:58.939000+08:00","text":"過去主要的問題是跟高速公路之間的工程介面，這個問題我的了解是已經有收斂，應該是可以得到高公局的認可。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:46:59.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:47:00.340000+08:00","text":"好，那經費的部分？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T12:47:01.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:47:13.361000+08:00","text":"經費的部分要看我們財主單位對於最後它工程經費的估算還有工程造價，是不是有回到最新的物價水準來做檢討。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:47:14.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:47:14.961000+08:00","text":"總經費是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T12:47:17.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:47:20.884000+08:00","text":"目前的總經費是513.96億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:47:21.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:47:23.005000+08:00","text":"中央跟地方的負擔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T12:47:23.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:47:27.387000+08:00","text":"新北市政府的估算是中央要負擔183、新北市政府負擔330。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:47:29.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:47:34.420000+08:00","text":"如果這兩個問題能解決，綜合規劃報告就比較容易過關？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T12:47:34.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:48:01.833000+08:00","text":"我想我們會再往下一個程序來走，但是因為現在院裡面有給我們一些新的指示，也就是希望我們全面檢討捷運建設補助要點的相關規定，我不是很有把握對於這樣的議題是不是……因為它是一個通案性、原則性的問題，在這個個案上面會不會對於進度上面產生一些干擾，我想可能我們要看後面的發展。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:48:01.993000+08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2.0最高42折，然後加10小時的轉乘免費，提供了122萬個座位，以3月25號的資料來看，預售票才售出3.7萬張，你們有122萬個座位，但是只有售出3.7萬張，我不曉得最近的宣傳情況怎麼樣，現在賣出了多少張？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:49:23.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:49:37.033000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實我們在國道客運的部分本來預售的狀況都不會太好，因為大家的習慣是到現場去買票，這兩年裡面我們推出了很多的優惠方案，尤其是連假的時候……對啊！","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:49:37.033000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:49:38.273000+08:00","text":"我看這個優惠很大。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:49:38.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:49:50.297000+08:00","text":"我們有看到每一車乘載人數的數量，人次的部分其實都有在上升，也就是說利用率有在提高，我們希望可以做得更好。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:49:51.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:49:53.877000+08:00","text":"我問一下局長，去年應該也有類似的優惠嘛！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:49:55.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:49:56.400000+08:00","text":"最近這幾個連假都有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T12:49:58.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:50:07.353000+08:00","text":"對，最近這幾個連假都有，目前整體狀況大概就是誠如部長剛剛所提到的，個別車輛每車乘客率從十八點多拉到十九點多，另外……","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:50:12.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:50:17.159000+08:00","text":"十八點多到十九點多，加1個人，我們一臺車可以大概坐到快40個人嘛！","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T12:50:18.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:50:21.320000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告一下，拉1個人在國道上面算是蠻不錯的。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T12:50:21.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:50:36.125000+08:00","text":"另外，東部、臺北、宜蘭的部分，運量都有在增長；在西部的部分大概目前持平，但是在西部個別的國道客運業者裡面，有些成長的比例都相當高。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:50:36.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:50:53+08:00","text":"我覺得這是非常好的優惠，也能夠節省大家的錢，大家利用國道客運也能夠儘量不要去塞車，這是好的政策，但是我認為到現在為止，好像不知道是宣傳效果不夠還是怎麼樣……","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:50:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:50:54.541000+08:00","text":"我們再繼續加強宣導。對啊！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:50:54.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:50:58.585000+08:00","text":"不然提供那麼多的位置，結果坐不到一半，好不好？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:50:58.585000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:50:59.585000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-01T12:50:58.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:50:58.765000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:50:59.265000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:51:02.407857+08:00","text":"非常感謝李坤城委員，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:51:02.707857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:51:06.707857+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請劉書彬委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}