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好"},{"start":404.278,"end":433.898,"text":"我跟我們報告一下這個所謂指引的這個剛剛我也有提到就是指引的部分比如說按照你的道路這個等級那你這些道路包括在丘陵區或平原區那這些相關這個要設計的時候要怎麼如何設計的部分那像公路的部分在公路設計規範裡面有那像市區道路的部分的話這個國土署的市區道路附屬設施相關的一個裡面也有一些設計的一個規範所以設計規範是一個通則的規定但是到個別的一個路線的時候他會有"},{"start":434.658,"end":462.54,"text":"這個山區平原區這些相關的部分沒有因為你設置到跟地方政府有相關的現在設置到有至少有三千的這樣的一個測數設像感嘛所以這邊我想說你是不是給本席一個這樣子報告說這邊目前的這樣的一些你們有的這個執行等等還包括地方政府他們怎麼樣去落實是不是可以給本席一個報告好你需要這樣的資料我們會提供給OK好謝謝希望大家能夠尊重到我們的保障到我們的這個用路人的或是在用車用路人的這個安全好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:51:17.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:51:18.313000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:51:18.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:51:18.333000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:51:18.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:51:18.353000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:51:18.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:51:18.393000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:51:18.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:51:55.265000+08:00","text":"我們知道今年1月份修法生效的牌照稅第七條，對於身障者在使用車輛的部分有比較大的放寬，但是我們接獲到很多的陳情指出，因為它規定車籍地必須與身障者的戶籍地相同，很多實際同住照顧者的車籍地如果跟身障者戶籍地不同，因為還在跑變更的流程，就不會馬上受惠。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:51:55.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:52:22.341000+08:00","text":"為了落實這樣的修法美意，據我所知，交通部已經啟動了放寬的規定，把牌照登記、住居所和就業處所的地址納入到車籍認定的範圍，並且也要去知會稽徵牌照稅的財政部，不曉得這個程序上面有沒有辦法加快？","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:52:22.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:52:29.646000+08:00","text":"尤其是現在4月份就已經開始徵收牌照稅，部長你們這邊的看法是怎麼樣？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:52:29.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:52:34.129000+08:00","text":"報告委員，財政部那邊會解釋，他們解釋之後，我們就可以來執行。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:52:36.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:52:38.233000+08:00","text":"表示你們內部還沒有溝通嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:52:38.233000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:52:39.233000+08:00","text":"據我所知是好像已經有在溝通了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:52:38.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:52:43.058000+08:00","text":"其實兩邊的訊息都有在溝通，這個沒有問題，昨天已經開過會了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:52:43.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:52:46.142000+08:00","text":"對，你們在什麼時程大概會完成？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T12:52:47.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:12.164000+08:00","text":"這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下，裡面有兩個課題，第一個，原來戶籍地對戶籍地，現在戶籍地跟住居所或者是相關的部分，目前這些資料只要有申請的話，在公路監理機關的車籍資料裡面已經有了，現在財政部只要把原來戶籍對戶籍認定的部分放寬進來的話，原則上……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:14.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:15.447000+08:00","text":"對，我剛才也是在問這個地方。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:16.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:19.091000+08:00","text":"監理車籍的部分原則上就OK，因為……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:19.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:21.133000+08:00","text":"現在問題是時間性，我知道你們有往這個方向做，但是時間性上面呢？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:21.133000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:22.133000+08:00","text":"時間性的話就看……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:21.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:21.714000+08:00","text":"也要看財政部，它只要一發過來我們就可以馬上處理。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:21.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:22.895000+08:00","text":"據我所知財政部也在發動，因為我在財委會已經有知道這個消息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:22.895000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:23.895000+08:00","text":"所以它只要一發過來，我們就處理。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:23.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:23.616000+08:00","text":"所以事實上1個月之內有可能嗎？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:37.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:39.752000+08:00","text":"4月會發布。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:39.752000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:40.752000+08:00","text":"好，4月會發布。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:39.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:42.893000+08:00","text":"財政部4月會發布，它只要一發布我們就可以配合處理。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:43.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:46.013000+08:00","text":"好，希望這個月就能夠發布。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:46.013000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:48.394000+08:00","text":"是，我們希望4月可以完成。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:48.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:50.715000+08:00","text":"到時候已經繳的部分可能退稅也會處理嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:51.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:53:52.495000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T12:53:52.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:54:00.358000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為牌照稅是屬於地方稅，我們資料提供給地方政府，都是地方政府開徵，如果後面需要做處理的話，各地方政府會來做處理。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:54:01.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:54:27.111000+08:00","text":"好，我們繼續往下看，去年洪孟楷委員有跟你問到，臺灣有沒有一個科學根據的數據去支撐限速的部分，部長，因為大家都說測速照相機在搶錢，這部分能不能告訴我現在道路速限的標準有沒有寫在哪一條？","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:54:28.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:54:39.332000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實不是在哪一條，是很廣泛的散於各個規範，工程規範裡面其實也有對於速度的限制，包含工程設計的過程裡面也都有寫。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:54:39.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:54:43.974000+08:00","text":"部長，我跟你講，其實這部分你還沒辦法答出來到底有沒有嘛！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:54:44.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:54:44.114000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:54:45.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:54:46.535000+08:00","text":"你說可能散見在很多地方，可是你都沒有說出來哪一條。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:54:46.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:54:47.976000+08:00","text":"我們繼續往下看，道路交通標誌標線號誌設置規則第八十五條的規定就像你剛才所說的，主管機關要參照，那參照什麼的標準呢？","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:55:03.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:55:10.575000+08:00","text":"參照路線設計、道路狀況、交通量、肇事資料跟其他因素，可是只說了這部分參照的內容，其實讓地方去落實的時候沒有標準嘛！","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:55:10.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:55:34.970000+08:00","text":"它想要怎麼訂都可以，就可以知道問題是第八十五條是這麼寬泛的，只是一個因素在決定參考價值而已，根本就沒辦法去做，尤其我們看到是大車子向右轉的時候撞死人了，但是卻是用降速的方式，還設置了照相桿來去因應，這根本就是找錯方向啊！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:55:35.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:55:35.331000+08:00","text":"部長，您的回應呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:55:41.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:55:57.073000+08:00","text":"報告委員，每一條道路都有它的設計速率，這是最基本的參考，其實也包含了很多其他的參考點，不是只有這個，您剛剛上面也有寫交通量跟肇事資料，例如很簡單的講，學校的附近也有不一樣的標準。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:55:58.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:56:10.926000+08:00","text":"對，但是部長，我現在的意思是這就涉及到我們的財產權還有包括道路安全，因為我剛才說很多地方是大車違規右轉，你們卻沒有對症下藥，而是去把限速降低，這不適用嘛！","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:56:11.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:56:12.587000+08:00","text":"在於根本就是沒有指引。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:56:12.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:56:18.593000+08:00","text":"報告委員，您剛剛在說的都不是交通部去把它速限降低，都不是，都是地方政府在設定。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:56:19.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:01.048000+08:00","text":"我就是要跟部長講，因為你們的第八十五條其實就是一個行政命令，它是一個規則，讓後面的地方能夠因此去做規範，規範當中包括速限的規定，希望應該有個指引，因為你放寬了那4個因素等等，其實是不夠的，所以你們是不是可以去承諾，像德國已經做了友善行人區是30公里、市區是50公里、市區外100公里，其實那些部分等等也應該都有相關的指引，不然你空白授權太大讓地方政府可以自行去做，甚至還變成是可以增加財源的一種有利方式，這樣子是沒辦法真正達到……","quality":0.874},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:01.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:06.711000+08:00","text":"報告委員，行人友善區的速限我們本來就是30以下，本來就有。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:07.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:13.654000+08:00","text":"市區您希望是50公里，問題是在於有辦法所有地方政府全部配合市區50公里嗎？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:13.654000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:14.654000+08:00","text":"這是個問號。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:14.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:44.972000+08:00","text":"所以我說這個地方就是因為你的放寬……部長，請你要重視到我的重點是在於因為你的那個因素實在太多，當然我知道也是要因地制宜，可是這些指引是有必要的，如果你沒有辦法這樣子做，以北宜高速公路當中在坪林這部分，它是用公路路線設計規範當中最小設計速率的方式在做，以最彎曲最危險的彎道來規範所有北宜公路的速限其實是不合理的啦！","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:45.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:46.953000+08:00","text":"所以我才說必須要有些指引而且要跟地方……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:47.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:49.354000+08:00","text":"委員，你在說的指引其實都有存在。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:50.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:50.335000+08:00","text":"在哪裡呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:50.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:52.056000+08:00","text":"現在有辦法這麼多速率的規定，就是有它的指引。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:53.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:54.217000+08:00","text":"在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:54.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:57:55.658000+08:00","text":"我是不是請局長跟您回答？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T12:57:56.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:28.320000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告一下，剛剛委員有提到指引的部分，比如說按照道路等級，包括在丘陵區或平原區要設計的時候要如何設計，像公路的部分在公路設計規範裡面有，像市區道路的部分在國土署的市區道路附屬設計裡面也有一些規範，所以設計規範是一個通則的規定，但是到個別路線的時候，它會有山區、平原區這些相關的部分，所以……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:28.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:44.292000+08:00","text":"沒有，因為跟地方政府有相關，現在至少有3,000個測速照相桿，所以這部分我想你是不是給本席一個報告，目前你們有的這些指引等等，還包括地方政府他們怎麼樣落實，是不是可以給本席一個報告？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:45.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:46.514000+08:00","text":"好，您需要這樣的資料，我們會提供。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:47.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:54.500000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，希望大家能夠保障到我們用路人的安全。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:54.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:54.540000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:55.040000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:56.182857+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:56.482857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:58:59.054286+08:00","text":"非常感謝劉書彬委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:58:59.354286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:03.068571+08:00","text":"接下來黃捷，黃捷，黃捷委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:03.368571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:05.940000+08:00","text":"邀請廖先翔委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}