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Plus那有一些所謂支架的部分還是在特定場域裡面在特定場域裡面就有點像國內的一個這個沙盒那這個部分的話也就是剛剛早前這個部長有提到的部分國內支架這些相關的一個部分的話目前大概先朝這個公車這個部分來做推動那這個小客車這個部分的話基本上就是看市場的一個這個"},{"start":373.442,"end":383.161,"text":"所以不是像坊間說的只要開放了進來就可以用而是我們還是有其他除了車輛安全檢驗的部分還有其他的法令需要去做突破才有可能嗎對對對好那以上好謝謝好謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:19.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.020000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，麻煩幫我邀請陳部長。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.120000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.481000+08:00","text":"鐵道局楊局長一起好了。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.761000+08:00","text":"請楊局長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.761000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:21.761000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.921000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:20.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:22.143000+08:00","text":"我這個會期不在交通委員會，許久不見，甚是想念。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:22.143000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:35.876000+08:00","text":"我們可以時常見面，沒問題的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:35.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T12:59:37.277000+08:00","text":"我關心的議題你應該都知道啦！是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T12:59:37.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:02.096000+08:00","text":"首先這個會期還是想要先跟您還有楊局長探討一下新北市汐止的軌道運輸，除了汐東線核定目前在修正計畫沒有那麼急迫外，另外有兩個還沒動工的就是基隆捷運跟臺北的民生線那一段，想先確認一下我們的基隆捷運，之前工程會是有一些意見，對不對？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:02.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:07.501000+08:00","text":"目前新北市政府也已經提送修正計畫進來了，請問目前交通部處理的狀況是怎麼樣？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:08.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:12.405000+08:00","text":"大概何時可以再函給工程會？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:12.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:18.891000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們鐵道局在4月中旬會召開會議進行審議，這個部分如果要更詳細的說明，我請局長來回答。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:19.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:25.260000+08:00","text":"好，我們審議完了之後，工程會的部分，一樣的問題，即工程會還要再討論一次嗎？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:25.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:28.864000+08:00","text":"還是鐵道局討論的跟工程會討論的會是不一樣的項目呢？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:31.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:46.417000+08:00","text":"會針對工程會的意見處理，這次因為工程會有提出包括預算編列的問題、包括工程相關設計上的問題，我們會協助新北市政府在這些議題上回應工程會。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:46.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:00:56.764000+08:00","text":"所以有一點算是幫工程會預審、把關的概念了，如果工程會充分尊重的話，原則上，你們這邊審過工程會就不會有太大的意見，我可以這樣理解嗎？是的。","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:00:56.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:00.485000+08:00","text":"好，就拜託鐵道局再多多指導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:00.485000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:01.485000+08:00","text":"我們來加速作業。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:00.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:11.810000+08:00","text":"另外一個是臺北民生線的部分，也就是汐東線的延伸──東湖到寧夏夜市這一段，之前的問題在於兩個：一個是營運單位；另外一個是機廠經費分攤的部分。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:12.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:21.954000+08:00","text":"營運單位的部分，之前好像討論得差不多了，而機廠經費分攤的部分，目前有沒有其他問題還在探討中，需要去克服的？","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:23.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:27.726000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，八堵機廠的議題，相關的共識還在努力當中。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:28.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:31.207000+08:00","text":"所以經費分攤還沒有下文。是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:32.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:38.049000+08:00","text":"好，拜託了部長幫忙授權一下局長……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:38.049000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:39.269000+08:00","text":"是，我們來加速……","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:39.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:01:47.551000+08:00","text":"專業歸專業，至於需要財源的部分，各地方政府本來自己就要去做一些支應，希望我們交通部能夠多多予以協助啦！是、好。","quality":0.673},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:01:47.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:02:02.780000+08:00","text":"再拜託了，整個汐東線已經開始做了，既然已經投資下去了，要讓它的效率提升，就必須要有整條線的串聯，才能讓整個汐東線捷運的效率提升，我想這應該是大家都會認同的一件事情。是。好的。","qu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5的部分，每一個層級可以到什麼地方，然後到那個地方的時候可不可以落地等等的課題，像美國的自駕，它的開放頂多到L2+，有一些所謂的自駕還是在特定場域裡面，這就有點像是國內的沙盒。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T13:05:12.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:05:25.942000+08:00","text":"就這個部分的話，早前部長也有提到，國內自駕相關的部分，目前大概先朝公車的部分來做推動，小客車的部分，基本上就是看市場的……","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:05:27.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:05:35.518000+08:00","text":"所以不是像坊間說的，只要開放進來了就可以用，而是我們除了車輛安全檢驗的部分，還有其他的法令需要去做突破才有可能？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-01T13:05:36.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:05:36.319000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-04-01T13:05:36.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:05:36.980000+08:00","text":"好，以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:05:37.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:05:37.161000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:05:37.661000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:05:40.232429+08:00","text":"非常感謝廖先翔委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:05:40.532429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:05:44.532429+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請陳冠廷委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}