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謝謝"},{"start":347.809,"end":373.625,"text":"跟委員報告因為國藝甲的這一個確實西段的這個部分已經開始了嘛對已經開始了那我們三標的部分都有絕標都有絕標了嘛那東段之前在做這個可研的時候其實本來就委員也知道這邊的話還有很多就是說包括中油的一些煉油廠的相關的一些設施那所以後續的這個部分的話我想我們會再跟因為也涉及到包括這個"},{"start":375.487,"end":387.225,"text":"經濟部然後還有這個地方的部分我想我們或許這個東研的這個部分的話以前的一些研究的一些基礎我想我們會來做再做一個那個完整的一些檢討這樣子"},{"start":388.819,"end":415.738,"text":"這個我跟部長跟局長也更新一下進度這從本席就任立委開始我第一個去的地方就是煉油廠經濟部長也跟著去了其中我們就有討論到未來包含除油槽怎麼去做調整路廊怎麼畫最經濟其實跟煉油廠都有展開合理的溝通台灣市政府也同步在進行相關的一個準備所以其實我講今天講我們至少要讓這個計畫重新開始啟動花一點時間做政策溝通都是要的本席也百分之一百願意去協助但希望交通這邊既然"},{"start":416.178,"end":438.936,"text":"地方已經開始動起來了對於這個有所期待就希望不要再停留在過去的想像說我們做西段就好東段把它遺忘了這我想對桃園的通勤狀況的改善那就扣分了好不好所以希望交通部部長這個一樣這個會後一樣我們就兩個禮拜這個都只是講說現在的一個進度跟研究的計畫我們重新把它排上軌道上這我們再來做進一步的研討可以嗎好人車路三個問題拜託交通部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:17:44.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:17:46.159000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請交通部陳部長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:17:46.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:17:46.339000+08:00","text":"我們請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:17:53.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:17:54.041000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:17:54.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:17:55.701000+08:00","text":"部長午安，辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:17:55.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:18:10.324000+08:00","text":"交通部是大部，業報的質詢總是大排長龍，辛苦了，但我們今天還是要繼續追，本席的選區在桃園，我一向都是幫通勤族的權益代言，這段時間雖然小有成果，但結構性問題的改善卻有限。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:18:15.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:18:22.607000+08:00","text":"一個叫人；一個叫車；一個叫路，分別代表不同的題目，我希望可以聽到交通部明確的回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:18:23.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:19:03.695000+08:00","text":"人的困境當然就是國道客運的司機荒，這件事情我們已經在這裡反覆討論非常多次，曾經有一度討論到，比如說僑外生等等，有沒有辦法輔導就業，讓他們變成大客車司機培訓的來源之一，當初就說正在做跨部會的研議，但是研議到現在，好像還在研議；據114年12月的統計，公路客運駕駛缺員是661人、市區客運缺員1,367人，合計缺口超過2,000人，比起去年10月我們關心這個題目的時候，稍微收斂了一點點，少了253人，表示稍微找到了一些人，但是恐怕離兩千多人的目標還有很大一段距離要走。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:19:04.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:19:08.419000+08:00","text":"所以當初勞動部也預告要修正法規，僑外生的部分我們要予以開放，總得補人吧！","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:19:09.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:19:13.222000+08:00","text":"但這卻在5月公告的時候不見了，這中間發生什麼事，是不是請交通部說明一下？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:19:14.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:19:33.090000+08:00","text":"報告委員，應該是勞動部那邊對於一些條件還有疑義，不過，最近我有跟勞動部長討論，我們各自的意見其實都已經開始在收斂，所以我們希望能夠趕快針對僑外生駕駛的部分，做一些對客運業者的協助。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:19:34.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:19:34.311000+08:00","text":"有沒有一個明確的時間？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:19:36.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:19:38.853000+08:00","text":"不要再講就是5月，反正不是這樣，對不對？","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:19:38.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:19:39.473000+08:00","text":"有沒有新的時間表？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:19:39.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:19:43.695000+08:00","text":"是，我們先把問題解決，因為我現在沒有辦法給一個比較具體的時間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:19:43.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:20:03.663000+08:00","text":"本席再給你另外一個建議，我們曾經在國防委員會針對退輔會有討論到，其實有很多是軍人退役，他也要生涯發展等等，也許具備一定的技術，所以你可以從各個不同的領域、多方跨部會的協調，看看有沒有辦法擴大這方面人才的準備庫，我想這也是值得嘗試的，退役軍人部分也可以思考一下。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:20:04.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:20:05.644000+08:00","text":"當然，政策都要從優嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:20:06.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:20:11.906000+08:00","text":"不管是僑外生這一塊也好或是其他方面也好，政策上從優補助、給予大量誘因，我想是很必要的。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:20:12.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:20:14.667000+08:00","text":"再來是改善環境，我就不多講，因為今天時間有限。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:20:15.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:20:19.608000+08:00","text":"希望交通部兩個禮拜之內書面回復辦理進度，可以嗎？可以。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:20:20.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:20:22.290000+08:00","text":"OK，謝謝，這是人的困境。","quality":1},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:20:22.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:20:27.334000+08:00","text":"第二個是車的困境，這算有一點點明確進展，但一樣是卡關狀態。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:20:28.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:20:38.061000+08:00","text":"之前有很多人，包含交通委員會很多委員質詢時，都希望國道客運可以開放雙層巴士，同樣一個司機載客量double，也是解決問題的一種方式。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:20:38.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:20:42.044000+08:00","text":"現在看起來好像開放了，對不對？"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","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:23:23.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:23:23.967000+08:00","text":"可以的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳局長文瑞","start":"2026-04-01T13:23:26.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:23:30.271000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，國一甲西段部分確實……","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:23:31.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:23:32.193000+08:00","text":"已經開始了嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳局長文瑞","start":"2026-04-01T13:23:32.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:23:36.375000+08:00","text":"對，已經開始了，三標都決標了。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:23:36.375000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:23:37.516000+08:00","text":"都決標、已經動工了。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳局長文瑞","start":"2026-04-01T13:23:37.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:23:46.501000+08:00","text":"至於東段，之前在做可研的時候，委員也知道，這邊還有中油煉油廠等很多相關設施。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"陳局長文瑞","start":"2026-04-01T13:23:51.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:24:06.205000+08:00","text":"因為也涉及經濟部、地方，所以針對東延這部分，我們後續或許也會就以前的研究基礎再做完整的檢討。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:24:07.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:24:10.501000+08:00","text":"我也跟部長、局長更新一下進度。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:24:10.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:24:14.204000+08:00","text":"自從本席就任立委開始，我第一個去的地方就是煉油廠，經濟部長也跟著去了。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:24:14.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:24:29.134000+08:00","text":"當中我們就討論到未來，包括儲油槽怎麼調整、路廊怎麼劃最經濟，其實都跟煉油廠展開了合理的溝通，桃園市政府也在同步進行相關準備，所以我今天才講至少要讓這個計畫重新開始啟動。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:24:29.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:24:44.966000+08:00","text":"花一點時間做政策溝通都是要的，本席也百分之一百願意協助，但是既然地方已經動起來了，也對此有所期待，就希望交通部不要再停留在過去的想像、做西段就好，東段卻把它遺忘，對於桃園地區通勤狀況的改善來說，那就是扣分了，好不好？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:24:45.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:24:56.155000+08:00","text":"希望交通部部長會後處理，一樣兩個禮拜，因為只是講現在的進度跟研究計畫，我們重新把它排到軌道上，再來作進一步研討，可以嗎？好。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"牛委員煦庭","start":"2026-04-01T13:24:56.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:24:57.936000+08:00","text":"人、車、路三個問題拜託交通部長了，謝謝。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:24:58.436000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:24:59.578857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:24:59.878857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:02.450286+08:00","text":"非常感謝牛煦庭委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:02.750286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:05.321714+08:00","text":"接下來請伍麗華委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:05.621714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:09.050286+08:00","text":"伍麗華委員、伍麗華委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:09.350286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:14.207429+08:00","text":"張宏陸委員、張宏陸委員、張宏陸委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:14.507429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:19.364571+08:00","text":"鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:19.664571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:23.093143+08:00","text":"接下來邀請王鴻薇委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}