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我們會跟中華電信來討論這個議題"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:24.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:28.620000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我請交通部部長以及觀光署署長。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:28.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:28.700000+08:00","text":"請陳部長、請陳署長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:34.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:35.550000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:36.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:36.991000+08:00","text":"部長好、署長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:37.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:47.275000+08:00","text":"請教一下前一陣子發生在花蓮鯉魚潭的溺水事件，大家都覺得非常難過。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:25:48.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:25:57.818000+08:00","text":"關於其管轄權責的分配，我想請問署長是不是已經就權責部分做了相關釐清？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-01T13:26:02.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:26:05.838000+08:00","text":"是，我覺得上次那件事情真的非常遺憾。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-01T13:26:08.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:26:29.479000+08:00","text":"現在的觀光有很多新的觀光體驗，而這次狀況是涉及動力船，動力船是在航港局處理，至於3人以下與非動力船，航港局是授權各地方政府以自治條例方式做相關管理。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-01T13:26:30.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:26:33.884000+08:00","text":"由於觀光署綜管處負責的是鯉魚潭的管理，這裡面……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:26:35.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:26:40.291000+08:00","text":"所以鯉魚潭是由觀光署綜管處管理並訂定相關管理規則？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-01T13:26:45.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:27:00.060000+08:00","text":"是，比如說送到我們這邊來時，我們要看的是業者到鯉魚潭經營需要具備什麼樣的條件，比如說要符合商登、比如說要投保等等，這些是由觀光署負責、要求。","quality":0.54},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:27:00.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:27:17.007000+08:00","text":"所以發生這件遺憾的事件，將來在相關管理規則上，包含業者已經違反相關規定時要怎麼停業，也都應該由觀光署訂定，是吧？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀：是這樣的","start":"2026-04-01T13:27:19.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:27:25.812000+08:00","text":"基本上，觀光署在場域經營上有兩件事情是必須負責的，第一是遊客的安全。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀：是這樣的","start":"2026-04-01T13:27:27.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:27:40.722000+08:00","text":"關於遊客的安全，當時在整個鯉魚潭經營的這些業者目前沒有辦法提出被誰檢驗過、船隻安全上的檢驗目前是沒有的。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀：是這樣的","start":"2026-04-01T13:27:40.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:27:41.722000+08:00","text":"也因為這件事情的關係，我們希望先暫停業者的經營把這塊釐清確保遊客安全之後，再讓產業復駛。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:27:41.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:27:42.963000+08:00","text":"好，我肯定，不管中央或地方都以負責任的態度面對，因為不想要遺憾的事情最後變成用踢皮球的方式處理。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:27:42.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:28:06.435000+08:00","text":"至於鯉魚潭的管理權責也已經有相當的釐清，是由觀光署綜管處負責。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:28:07.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:28:08.957000+08:00","text":"謝謝，署長先請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:28:09.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:28:12.219000+08:00","text":"部長，請教一件事情，我覺得這也很重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:28:12.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:28:32.293000+08:00","text":"前不久發生一件事情，就是中華電信百分之百投資的中華投資，這算是中華電信的孫公司，其董事長丁彥致擔任聖育科技公司的獨董。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:28:35.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:28:49.380000+08:00","text":"而這家聖育科技的第一大客戶剛剛好就是中華電信，且所占比重非常地大，中華電信就是這家公司的第一大客戶。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:28:49.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:28:52.102000+08:00","text":"所以外界認為怎麼會這樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:28:52.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:00.508000+08:00","text":"中華電信成為一家公司的最大客戶，其孫公司的董事長又擔任人家的獨董，這是怎麼樣？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:00.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:00.528000+08:00","text":"是當顧問嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:00.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:00.848000+08:00","text":"還是當門神？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:00.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:20.726000+08:00","text":"當然也就因為這樣的事情遭到外界質疑，所以短短五天，這位丁彥致董事長就辭去了獨董職務。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:20.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:23.487000+08:00","text":"可是這件事就這樣了了嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:24.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:34.611000+08:00","text":"國營事業的子公司、孫公司可以這樣當母公司最大客戶的獨董，被外界認為是門神嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:34.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:39.313000+08:00","text":"所以我想請問一下部長，對於這件事情，你們的處理是什麼？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱：報告委員","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:40.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:45.714000+08:00","text":"第一方面是法令上行不行、法規上行不行、有沒有限制他去擔任這個獨董。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱：報告委員","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:46.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:56.237000+08:00","text":"第二，媒體所寫的跟委員剛剛所質疑的也沒有錯，涉及觀感問題，也就是社會認為去擔任這樣的獨董適不適合。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱：報告委員","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:57.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:29:59.097000+08:00","text":"如果是第一項，在法令上……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:59.097000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:00.097000+08:00","text":"所以是中華電信讓他辭掉？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:29:59.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:03.278000+08:00","text":"在法令上不行的話，當然我們就得追究。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:04.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:12.060000+08:00","text":"第二，如果觀感上不好的話，我們也希望他可以離開這樣的獨董職位，這大概就是我們交通部的態度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:12.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:13.560000+08:00","text":"所以你們就這樣了掉了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:14.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:15.321000+08:00","text":"就這樣了了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱：這部分請中華電信內部去了解","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:20.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:26.523000+08:00","text":"第一，法令上行不行，如果法令上不行，那當然要有另外的處置，因為法令上不行，他卻去擔任。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱：這部分請中華電信內部去了解","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:27.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:29.884000+08:00","text":"第二個可能性是法令上可以，但是有觀感上的問題。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:29.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:30.524000+08:00","text":"這位是前董事長嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:32.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:32.280000+08:00","text":"總經理。喔！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:33.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:33.001000+08:00","text":"總經理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:33.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:34.302000+08:00","text":"董事長有來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:34.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:35.743000+08:00","text":"沒有來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:37.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:38.765000+08:00","text":"董事長下午請假。好。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:39.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:44.450000+08:00","text":"董事長後來還跟他們去吃飯之類的，也被外界質疑。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:44.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:47.492000+08:00","text":"我認為不是完全不能吃飯啦！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:48.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:30:55.238000+08:00","text":"當然要看吃飯的內容是什麼東西，但是如果按照剛才部長講的，部長就有點和稀泥啦！","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:30:55.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:09.511000+08:00","text":"你說因為在法令上沒有違反，他只要辭掉獨董就好了，所以他當了五天獨董就跑掉，是因為外界觀感不好、大家認為要符合利益迴避原則。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:09.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:15.938000+08:00","text":"可是，丁彥致不就是你們所派任的嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:15.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:27.061000+08:00","text":"我剛剛講了，中華投資可是中華電信百分之百投資的公司，如果這樣的話，你想想看所有國營事業，台電有多少客戶？","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:27.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:28.223000+08:00","text":"中鋼有多少客戶？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:28.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:30.486000+08:00","text":"中油有多少客戶？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:30.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:32.369000+08:00","text":"其子公司、孫公司都可以去當獨董，一魚兩吃？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:36.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:41.401000+08:00","text":"這很難看，這應該是放諸四海皆準的原則。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:42.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:47.926000+08:00","text":"我在這邊具體建議，不能只是在五天內請辭，很難看嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:48.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:51.068000+08:00","text":"你也承認違背社會觀感。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:51.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:53.970000+08:00","text":"我覺得應該處理就要處理啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:54.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:31:54.870000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:31:56.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:32:01.135000+08:00","text":"丁彥致還適合擔任這個董事長職務嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-01T13:32:01.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:32:05.898000+08:00","text":"也許交通部應該跟中華電信做澈底的檢討，好不好？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-01T13:32:06.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T13:32:08.040000+08:00","text":"是，作為大股東，我們會跟中華電信討論這個議題。好。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:32:08.540000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:32:11.682857+08:00","text":"我們非常感謝王鴻薇委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T13:32:11.982857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T13:32:15.411429+08:00","text":"接下來邀請葉元之委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}