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Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-01T14:10:55.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:11:47.683000+08:00","text":"你看臺灣勞工的薪資狀況，2024年基本工資兩萬七千四百多，然後每人每月經常性薪資平均是4萬6,450，這是2024年；2025年的基本工資是兩萬八千多，所以我們的這個三萬出頭，只是比基本工資多一點點而已，如果要跟勞工2025年的平均薪資4萬7,709相比，少了一萬多，這個部分不僅原民會，勞動部也都要去加強，怎麼樣來提升我們的薪資所得。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-01T14:11:48.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:11:50.325000+08:00","text":"事實上，我們都是勞力的……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅赫踛Helu Chiu處長","start":"2026-04-01T14:11:51.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:12:06.740000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告一下，我們在新一期的原住民促進就業方案當中已經有邀請六、七個部會，包含勞動部在內，過去我們都是從就業優先，現在則轉為薪資提升；委員剛剛講的那一萬塊差距，其實我們都有在掌握。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-01T14:12:09.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:12:19.603000+08:00","text":"主要問題在於我們都是第一包、第二包、第三包、工頭，然後再下面的人，就是這樣……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"羅赫踛Helu Chiu處長","start":"2026-04-01T14:12:19.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:12:20.303000+08:00","text":"就是這個結構。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-01T14:12:20.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:12:24.606000+08:00","text":"然後有很多工人都沒有勞保……對。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-01T14:12:25.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:12:29.790000+08:00","text":"真的是問題重重，所以要請勞動部跟原民會加油。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅赫踛Helu Chiu處長","start":"2026-04-01T14:12:31.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:12:32.232000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T14:12:32.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:12:32.953000+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭委員。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T14:12:33.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:12:33.233000+08:00","text":"接下來請伍麗華委員質詢。","quality":0.364}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}