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大家都會把它全部當東部可是如果當緯度一分 或者是區域一分其實這樣差異還是很大的"},{"start":418.767,"end":441.364,"text":"總共是154公里從成功到南邊大武那邊我覺得整個區域的分佈包括整個北部靠近成功還有台東市還有大武這邊南回這邊我覺得應該都有一些因地制宜不同的策略這邊我跟委員報告其實最主要是衛生所衛生所這邊我們的整個量能我覺得應該是最重要的一個重點"},{"start":442.595,"end":462.854,"text":"謝謝你們知道這樣一個問題所以本席比較期待看到是區域性的一個針對性的強化策略好那最後針對這個部分要請教三個部會那目前原住民的健康就業跟生活風險的這個問題其實分在不同的單位各自推動也缺乏整合那本席認為我們需要原住民族的健康專責機關"},{"start":464.375,"end":481.36,"text":"那原住民的健康問題不是只有醫療的問題還包括工作型態交通環境文化差異跟生活條件那這個部分不知道各部會是不是支持來推動設置原住民族健康專責機關作為跨部會整合的平台三個部會是不是可以給本席一個回應"},{"start":482.901,"end":500.674,"text":"跟委員報告就是我們跟衛福部還有原民會對原住民朋友各方面其實都有跨部會在協助當中至於說如何把這個機制做得更smooth更到位或者是推動的更部分這個部分我們也許可以再收集大家的意見來做考慮"},{"start":500.854,"end":522.772,"text":"那可能在更具體的 其實本席先前有提到就是在這個衛福部先前在討論某一些署的一個設置原住民的平均移民其實在現階段還是相較於一般來講有一個階段性的問題所以事實上在這個原住民的健康署的一個"},{"start":523.953,"end":539.464,"text":"這個方向是不是可以請你們考量跟討論看看好不好就是針對原住民健康照護的這個部分好嗎好 那也請大家支持一下至少原住民現在平均盈利我們希望能夠稍微及時地趕上好嗎"},{"start":540.345,"end":544.667,"text":"好 謝謝那最後 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跟委員報告那剛剛委員提到應該是不但是跨部會也是跨處事的問題我們就從就業教育跟經濟產業"},{"start":648.306,"end":664.025,"text":"整面來講我們都是因主因地制宜來去推動相關計畫那在社會福利處的部分就促進就業方案當中也顧及到現在我們都縣地區有已經近60%以上的人口那在"},{"start":665.386,"end":685.517,"text":"京巴處的一些產業四年計畫當中也有針對一些我們都議員跟一些相關屏幕差距的部分來去做那所以我們也希望在我們的相關計畫當中可以去把那個屏幕差距縮短然後也把薪資可以縮短目前是有比較具體的嗎還是你們都有已經預設到這個問題我們都有相關的一個計畫"},{"start":689.139,"end":717.638,"text":"教育方面因為剛剛有提到一些教育要去做一個因為有30%的一個初再選那個錯學率我們也希望針對這部分來去做處理那總歸來講我們其實在顏名會跟部會當中都是有蠻多的一個跨部會的一個平台包含是剛剛健康方面有健康政策會那勞動部方面我們有一個就業的一個相關平台這些也都固定在開會我們也會把一些相關各部會之間跟顏住民有關係的一些相關計畫"},{"start":719.039,"end":745.949,"text":"整齊來就是你們已有的會會提供給本席好不好然後本席所談到的這個未來的策進作為那你們有什麼樣一個方向可能也給本席這邊一個回應那因為最近本席也提到在原住民方面不管是都會或是原鄉的一些教育的一個重點那本席可能會會也請你們能夠在這個部分緊密的做一些溝通好那謝謝那最後是這邊針對兩個"},{"start":748.99,"end":765.703,"text":"還是針對可能我記得剛才那個盧委員在質詢的時候我沒有聽到一些那個部會比較確切的回應因為盧委員這邊他有提到那個促進原住民的就業獎勵那針對這個勞工的部分那園民會這邊有一些作為但是針對雇主的這個就是保險的這個部分的50%目前還在研議那我想請問一下這究竟是哪一個單位在處責是勞動部嗎"},{"start":779.124,"end":798.825,"text":"根文報告就我印象所及這部分是之前在談到說原住民朋友的勞工保險那個保費的部分雇主負擔的部分是不是要有一個協助的機制但這個協助的機制目前現階段看起來不太可能從公務機關的預算來處理"},{"start":800.246,"end":823.002,"text":"那我記得曾經在相應的保險有稍微談過但是相應的保險也目前在法院上也會有一些困難所以最終在這部分如何來做適度的處理我們可能要跟園民會這邊再來持續的討論就我所知道園民會後來有一些替代方案但是是不是可以符合大家的一個期待我們還要再持續的去溝通"},{"start":823.843,"end":841.798,"text":"所以目前也不太確定主責的單位是你們嗎如果說到最終是要補助雇主相關的勞保或者是相關保險的費用最終如果決定政策要處理會是勞動部要去處理但是現階段而言因為"},{"start":842.438,"end":861.387,"text":"因為包括涉及到經費多少如何去做處理然後在怎麼一個面向去做相應的機制協助那這部分原理會才會是比較專業的單位所以我們在這部分持續都有在一些討論那我們會在持續就這部分再來做一些釐清和瞭解看有沒有一些機會可以來處理"},{"start":862.984,"end":879.147,"text":"那就謝謝勞動部那希望未來假設你們主責的話那可能或是你們已有的相關報告在一些困難點那你說適不適合公部門然後怎麼個處理跟一些障礙我想你們應該會有一些記錄那是不是可以提供給本席做一個參考我們回去看"},{"start":879.608,"end":905.76,"text":"找一下相應的紀錄那因為這部分對勞動部來講我們比較不會直接單純針對特定的族群或特定的對象去提供相應的措施所以勢必要跟原民會做一些協助那包括發動或者說一些具體的影響評估這方面我們跟原民會會一起來再做一些處理那過往的一些相應的軌跡跟紀錄我們再來整理給委員"},{"start":907.588,"end":935.204,"text":"謝謝 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那請問到社會上他的一個就業的他就業的形態到底是什麼我覺得目前你們各部會之間沒有沒有把它連結起來就是自己知道可能有一些數額可是我們沒有辦法知道這個系統性的狀態是什麼所以包括原住民的學生畢業以後就在原專班畢業以後那他就業的職場那勞動部你們說教育部做教育部認為勞動部要做其實本席已經兩年了還沒有拿到相關的資料"},{"start":1036.016,"end":1058.623,"text":"到最後不會又通通都是原民會做吧所以這個你們是不是演繹一下我覺得今天有三個問題啦第一個就是有關於這個雇主的這個保險的這個補助那第二個部分呢就是原住民族的這個這個就業移工對原住民族就業的一個影響然後第三個部分是本席兩年都沒有拿到相關資料因為你們各部會都說其他人嘛"},{"start":1059.543,"end":1068.574,"text":"其他的部會所以到現在沒有一個部會真的能夠主責所以就是那原住民的學生在學校學習尤其特別是原專班然後到了這個就業職場上的一個的這個數量還有數額還有比例這是本席"},{"start":1075.222,"end":1102.508,"text":"要知道的 這樣我們才能就政策面來說一個檢討嘛好不好 那這部分看起來所有單位都會找園民會可是希望園民會你們可不可以知道問題有些時候你們的量能可能沒有辦法去涵蓋到社會的整體面所以剛才那個問題先知道問題是什麼那我們再從你們的計畫政策裡面去做處理這樣才不會一堆問題都包進來結果到最後處理的並不是那麼有效度 好不好"},{"start":1103.348,"end":1126.225,"text":"那也請勞動部跟這個相關的單位今天我們也有這個衛福部嘛那針對本席所講的健康的這個問題可不可以針對原住民的健康那我們有一個獨立的單位來做處理至少把我們的平均餘命提高到比較接近這一般值那其他就是剛才本席所講的我們先找出問題然後再去處理這個問題的一個應對好嗎"},{"start":1129.789,"end":1152.385,"text":"跟委員再補充一下就是我們原住民的就業狀況調查當中其實有把那個外勞的那個影響那個數據是有放進來但是影響評估是沒有影響評估這個東西有點系統性也有一些連接性你們真的是要跟那個勞動部這邊來更比較縝密的一個連結那才會知道比較細節性的一個問題在哪裡好嗎好謝謝好謝謝我們林倩熙委員質詢接下來"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:22:23.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:22:24.888000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席盧召委。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:22:27.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:22:33.834000+08:00","text":"接下來本席的質詢先請衛福部次長。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T14:22:35.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:22:36.075000+08:00","text":"呂次長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:22:36.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:22:39.758000+08:00","text":"還有勞動部次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T14:22:39.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:22:40.358000+08:00","text":"陳次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:22:41.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:22:43.200000+08:00","text":"還有原民會的代表。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T14:22:43.200000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:22:45.682000+08:00","text":"羅處長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:22:45.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:22:50.548000+08:00","text":"本席第一個部分先針對原住民健康不平等與工安的問題跟幾個部會討論。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:22:50.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:23:15.597000+08:00","text":"根據內政部統計，花蓮縣原住民人口達到了9萬4,924人，占全國原住民大概15%以上，也占花蓮縣人口3成以上，也算是全國非常具有代表性的原住民族聚集區，人口基本上應該是成長的，但是健康狀況沒有同步改善。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:23:16.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:23:44.357000+08:00","text":"113年整個花蓮縣原住民標準化的死亡率達每10萬人1,170.8，也高於所有標準化的750.3，是全國排名第二，僅次於本席的故鄉──臺東，代表原住民族健康不平等的問題是事實存在的，而且花東地區呈現高度集中跟結構性的特徵。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:23:44.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:23:50.081000+08:00","text":"本席關注的部分是死因跟事故傷害的問題，看起來在這個區塊特別嚴重。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:23:53.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:24:02.929000+08:00","text":"整個花蓮縣事故死亡當中的死亡率也偏高，顯示原住民在工作跟生活環境當中承擔不成比例的風險。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:24:02.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:24:18.920000+08:00","text":"所以本席先就教勞動部，原住民從事高風險工作比例比較高，目前針對原住民族職業安全預防機制及勞檢機制，是不是有針對族群特性與產業分布進行調整？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:24:18.920000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:24:22.922000+08:00","text":"還是仍然以一般勞工看待處理？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:24:22.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:24:24.023000+08:00","text":"是不是請勞動部先回應？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:24:24.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:24:27.927000+08:00","text":"我先跟委員報告，等一下再請我們職安署林署長補充。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:24:28.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:24:38.555000+08:00","text":"第一件事情就是原住民朋友主要集中的工作場域大概就是營造業、製造業跟服務業，近年來服務業是大宗。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:24:38.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:24:48.424000+08:00","text":"但是看起來相應的職災發生事故率，還有致死率最高的，其實還是在營造業，營造業因為它的產業特性……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:24:49.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:24:54.047000+08:00","text":"對，這個本席剛才有聽到幾位原住民委員其實都有提到這個區塊。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁：所以我跟委員報告，我們做了幾件事","start":"2026-04-01T14:24:56.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:25:07.615000+08:00","text":"第一個，謝謝大院的支持，在職安法修法的時候針對多重轉包或分包，如何建立職安衛相關的督考體系，我們做了處理。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁：所以我跟委員報告，我們做了幾件事","start":"2026-04-01T14:25:08.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:25:22.765000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，我們也針對原鄉在原民巡迴教室，我們有做相應的職業安全衛生，甚至於勞保各方面的宣導。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁：所以我跟委員報告，我們做了幾件事","start":"2026-04-01T14:25:22.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:25:28.589000+08:00","text":"第三個部分，我們對於營造業也相對的有一些減災計畫在執行。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:25:29.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:25:30.951000+08:00","text":"我想這是一般性的做法，你們都有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:25:32.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:25:40.677000+08:00","text":"對於原住民，你們是以一般勞工來看待，還是有針對族群特性及產業分布再去做更細部的處理呢？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:25:42.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:25:50.722000+08:00","text":"剛才鄭天財委員也有同樣的質詢，有關一般營造業的部分，我們確實是整個……","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:25:50.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:25:52.042000+08:00","text":"你不要只談營造業，剛才本席有談到原鄉，尤其是東部……","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:25:52.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:25:54.884000+08:00","text":"是，但是在原鄉這部分，有關原鄉產業特性相應的部分，我們會跟原民會一起協作，如果需要有相應的方案來處理，我們會請職安署就這部分加強。","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:26:10.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:26:19.453000+08:00","text":"本席是希望這邊再更細緻一點，其實本席在剛才幾位原住民委員詢答的時候也有注意到這個區塊。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:26:21.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:26:28.177000+08:00","text":"本席的這個問題是你們是把他們當成一般勞工，或者是整體性、大概一致性的看法？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:26:28.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:26:36.907000+08:00","text":"可是剛剛本席一進來就有先提到區域的特殊性，當然這個部分還會關係到產業的特性，其實還有很多更細部的原因。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:26:37.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:26:49.379000+08:00","text":"本席這邊期待你們可以對細部原因有更多了解，畢竟對於職災或勞工的區塊，你們掌握度相對是比較高的，當然待會兒我可能還會再請你們補充。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:26:49.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:26:50.479000+08:00","text":"接下來是衛福部。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:26:50.479000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:26:51.479000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:26:51.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:27:03.302000+08:00","text":"本席針對這個部分想要了解一下，整個原住民族標準化死亡率偏高，目前有沒有針對花東地區可以提出比較專案型的健康介入措施？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:27:03.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:27:10.364000+08:00","text":"包括醫療的可近性跟事故以後的醫療資源配置，有沒有區域性的強化策略？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:27:11.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:27:23.414000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們這邊主要大概有幾個部分，一個是在花東基金那邊，特別是有關於整個花東醫療量能的提高。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:27:23.414000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:27:24.415000+08:00","text":"還有另外……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:27:24.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:27:27.557000+08:00","text":"對於本席這邊談到的醫療可近性，你們有沒有比較具體的措施？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:27:28.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:27:31.320000+08:00","text":"就是醫療的可近性跟事故以後的醫療資源配置。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:27:32.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:27:41.926000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們這邊大概是幾個部分，就是遠距醫療，最重要的是醫事人力的提高，是不是請我們副司長跟委員說明。","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"陳副司長青梅","start":"2026-04-01T14:27:45.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:27:58.521000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前尤其是針對花東地區，我們對衛生所有專科遠距醫療的機制，現在幾乎每個衛生所都已經有設置了，這是第一個。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"陳副司長青梅","start":"2026-04-01T14:27:58.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:28:08.685000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們對在地醫事人力的培育一直都有，也就是說，屬於原住民的部分，我們在公費的培育有公費的制度。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:28:09.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:28:25.615000+08:00","text":"你們剛才講的這些東西，我想一致性的推動都有，但是本席要知道的是針對這個區域的醫療可近性分布，另外一個部分就是事故後醫療資源的配置，針對區域性的強化策略，你們是不是有比較具體的措施？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:28:26.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:28:29.397000+08:00","text":"因為時間關係，是不是也請你們會後提供？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副司長青梅","start":"2026-04-01T14:28:29.397000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:28:31.078000+08:00","text":"好，沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:28:31.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:28:34.941000+08:00","text":"我簡單說一下，一樣是花東，但花蓮跟臺東還是不一樣。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:28:35.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:28:35.701000+08:00","text":"是，很不一樣。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:28:35.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:28:45.430000+08:00","text":"就像委員的選區，臺東主要應該還是靠衛生所，而花蓮那邊因為有花慈，醫學中心是以大帶小，但是臺東是非常不一樣的。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:28:46.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:28:55.120000+08:00","text":"16個衛生所裡面，我跟委員報告，上禮拜我剛從臺東回來，我去那邊考察，事實上最重要的是整個臺東的衛生所，對此我們會提出一個新的計畫。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:28:56.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:29:01.063000+08:00","text":"對，本席期待的就是這樣，感謝你至少知道花蓮跟臺東不一樣。沒錯。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:29:01.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:29:04.724000+08:00","text":"我也希望大家都知道，宜蘭、花蓮、臺東很不一樣！","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:29:04.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:29:05.724000+08:00","text":"非常不一樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:29:04.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:29:12.006000+08:00","text":"所以在許多政策上大家都把它全部當成東部，可是當緯度一分或者是區域一分，事實上差異還是滿大的。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:29:14.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:29:30.419000+08:00","text":"特別是臺東，從成功到南邊的大武總共是154公里，我覺得在區域的分布，包括整個北部靠近成功，還有臺東市，還有大武、南迴這邊，我覺得應該都有一些因地制宜不同的策略。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:29:31.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:29:37.364000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，其實最主要是衛生所，衛生所這邊的整個量能，我覺得應該是最重要的一個重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:29:38.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:29:44.361000+08:00","text":"謝謝你們知道這樣的問題，所以本席比較期待看到的是一個區域性的針對性強化策略。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-04-01T14:29:44.361000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:29:45.361000+08:00","text":"感謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:29:45.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:29:55.411000+08:00","text":"最後，針對這個部分要請教三個部會，目前原住民的健康、就業跟生活風險問題其實是分散在不同單位，各自推動也缺乏整合。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:29:55.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:30:07.017000+08:00","text":"本席認為，我們需要原住民族的健康專責機關，原住民的健康問題不是只有醫療的問題，還包括工作型態、交通環境、文化差異跟生活條件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:30:08.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:30:14.679000+08:00","text":"這個部分不知道各部會是不是支持推動設置原住民族健康專責機關，做為跨部會整合平臺？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:30:15.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:30:17.360000+08:00","text":"三個部會是不是可以給本席一個回應？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:30:18.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:30:36.654000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們跟衛福部還有原民會對原住民朋友各方面，其實都有跨部會協作當中，至於如何把這個機制做得更smooth、更到位或者是推動得更好，這個部分我們也許可以再蒐集大家的意見來考量。對。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:30:37.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:30:54.369000+08:00","text":"可能再更具體的，就是本席先前有提到衛福部先前在討論某一些署的設置，原住民的平均餘命在現階段相較於一般來講還是有階段性的問題。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:30:54.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:31:04.517000+08:00","text":"所以原住民健康署這個方向是不是也可以請你們考量跟討論看看，好不好？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:31:04.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:31:08.820000+08:00","text":"就是針對原住民健康照護這個部分，好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:31:09.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:31:16.445000+08:00","text":"也請大家支持一下，至少原住民的平均餘命我們希望能夠稍微及時趕上，好嗎？謝謝。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:31:16.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:31:17.005000+08:00","text":"各部會請回，除了原民會。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:31:17.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:31:45.401000+08:00","text":"對於原民會，我這邊可能做一個提醒，針對整個家庭財富分配這個部分要提醒你們注意一下，主計總處最近一個公告是整個家庭財富分配的統計，貧富差距越來越大，這個問題其實已經很久了，但是目前的數據已經從16.8擴大到66.9，這已經算是全國性的問題了。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:31:45.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:31:54.385000+08:00","text":"但是通常全國性的問題在原住民社群裡面就會更加劇烈，原民會在110年的經濟狀況調查，原住民的貧富差距也越來越大，但是都會區跟原鄉也是差距很大，這雖然是當然，但擴大得比較嚴重。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:31:54.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:32:26.014000+08:00","text":"像在都會區平均大概是96萬5,000元，但是山地鄉跟平地鄉目前大概差不多是74萬跟73萬，差距很明顯，比過去也是擴大很多，整個資源跟機會的分配集中在特定區域跟族群，變成原住民族內部也有一些新的不平等。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:32:26.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:32:38.541000+08:00","text":"所以我想要請教一下，針對都會區跟原鄉之間收入的差距，原民會是不是有區域均衡的政策，以免相關資源過度集中在都會？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:32:38.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:32:44.845000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是針對原住民族內部貧富差距擴大的問題，你們是不是有跨部會整合的策略？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:32:45.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:32:50.911000+08:00","text":"怎麼結合產業發展、教育培力跟就業的機會，從結構面上進行改善？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:32:52.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:32:54.996000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，原民會有沒有比較具體的一些作為？","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"羅赫踛Helu 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Chiu處長","start":"2026-04-01T14:33:41.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:33:41.517000+08:00","text":"我們都有相關的計畫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅赫踛Helu Chiu處長","start":"2026-04-01T14:33:45.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:33:53.905000+08:00","text":"教育方面，因為剛剛提到有30%的輟學率，我們也希望針對這部分處理。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"羅赫踛Helu Chiu處長","start":"2026-04-01T14:33:55.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:34:15.899000+08:00","text":"總歸來講，原民會跟部會都有滿多的跨部會平臺，包含剛剛提到在健康方面有健康政策會，勞動部方面有一個就業相關的平臺，這些也都固定在開會，我們也會把各部會之間跟原住民有關係的一些相關計畫彙整起來。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:34:17.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:34:19.301000+08:00","text":"對於你們已有的部分，是不是會後提供給本席好不好？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:34:19.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:34:26.383000+08:00","text":"然後本席所談到的未來的策進作為，你們有什麼樣的方向也給本席這邊一個回應。好。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:34:26.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:34:41.269000+08:00","text":"最近本席也提到在原住民方面，不管是都會或是原鄉的教育重點，會後也請你們能夠在這個部分緊密做一些溝通。好。謝謝。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:34:41.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:35:01.663000+08:00","text":"最後，我記得剛才盧委員在質詢的時候沒有聽到部會比較確切的回應，因為盧委員有提到促進原住民就業獎勵，針對勞工的部分，原民會這邊有一些作為，但是針對雇主負擔50%保費的部分，目前還在研議，我想請問一下，這究竟是哪一個單位主責？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:35:01.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:35:01.703000+08:00","text":"是勞動部嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:35:15.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:35:51.577000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，就我印象所及，這部分是之前談到原住民朋友的勞工保險保費由雇主負擔的部分是不是要有一個協助的機制，但這個協助的機制現階段看起來不太可能從公務機關的預算處理，我記得曾經在相應的保險有稍微談過，但是相應的保險目前在法源上也會有一些困難，所以最終在這部分如何適度處理，我們可能要跟原民會持續討論。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:35:51.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:35:58.982000+08:00","text":"就我所知道，原民會後來有一些替代方案，但是是不是可以符合大家的期待，我們還要再持續溝通。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:35:59.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:36:03.206000+08:00","text":"所以目前也不太確定主責單位嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:36:03.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:36:05.007000+08:00","text":"是勞動部嗎？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:36:05.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:36:16.256000+08:00","text":"如果最終是要補助雇主勞保或者是相關保險的費用，最終如果政策決定要處理，會是勞動部要去處理。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:36:16.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:36:37.367000+08:00","text":"但是現階段而言，因為包括涉及經費多少、如何處理，然後在怎麼樣的面向做相應機制的協助，這部分原民會才會是比較專業的單位，所以我們在這部分持續都會有一些討論，我們會再持續就這部分進行釐清和了解，看有沒有一些機會可以處理。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:36:40.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:36:54.366000+08:00","text":"謝謝勞動部，未來假設是你們主責的話，或是你們已有的相關報告的一些困難點，包括是不是由公部門、然後怎麼處理以及一些障礙，我想你們應該會有一些紀錄，是不是可以提供給本席做一個參考？","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:36:54.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:37:17.258000+08:00","text":"我們回去找一下相應的紀錄，因為這個部分對勞動部來講，我們比較不會直接、單純針對特定族群或特定對象去提供相應的措施，所以勢必要跟原民會做一些協助，包括發動或者做一些具體的影響評估，這方面我們會跟原民會一起處理。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:37:17.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:37:23.588000+08:00","text":"過往一些相應的軌跡跟紀錄，我們再整理給委員。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:37:24.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:37:34.514000+08:00","text":"既然這樣，本席這邊有兩個東西，其中有一個在你們一來的時候，教育部跟你們都說是對方主責。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:37:34.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:37:50.263000+08:00","text":"我先提兩個，一個也是呼應剛剛伍麗華委員所提的，移工對原住民就業影響的衝擊最後到底是勞動部或者是原民會可以有一個具體的結果？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:37:50.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:37:54.526000+08:00","text":"截至目前為止，對於相關衝擊的正負面，我想應該是要有一些評估。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:37:54.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:37:57.068000+08:00","text":"這部分我們跟原民會一起處理。對。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳次長明仁","start":"2026-04-01T14:37:57.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:38:02.112000+08:00","text":"剛剛原民會處長有講他們在計畫裡面會去做。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:38:02.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:38:24.870000+08:00","text":"那是在一個大計畫裡面會針對這部分評估，可是本席要知道的是我們先知道這個問題在哪裡，然後計畫再施行，而不是計畫施行之後先把這個東西包在裡面，如果不知道原因，可能問題只會越來越大，所以本席提到的是一個比較單一的問題，究竟移工對原住民的影響有多大，或者是正負面？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:38:25.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:38:30.054000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個部分要先獨立出來，我們先了解問題，才知道如何解決問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:38:30.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:38:44.644000+08:00","text":"本席有聽到剛才講目前有一個健康相關計畫要把它放進去做，但本席是覺得這樣有點雜，本席要先知道移工目前對原住民的影響在正負面來講有哪一些狀態。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:38:45.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:38:56.393000+08:00","text":"最後是勞動部，要不然你們自己去跟教育說，可能也跟原民會商量，本席不希望原民會到最後又是大雜燴，因為聽起來你們會大雜燴式的處理。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:38:56.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:39:09.041000+08:00","text":"就是原住民學生在原專班之後，請問到社會上的就業型態到底是什麼？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:39:09.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:39:34.517000+08:00","text":"我覺得目前你們各部會之間沒有把它連結起來，就是自己知道可能有一些數額，可是我們沒有辦法知道系統性的狀態是什麼，所以包括原住民學生從原專班畢業以後的就業職場，勞動部說是教育部做，教育部認為是勞動部要做，本席已經兩年還沒有拿到相關的資料，到最後不會又統統都是原民會做吧！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:39:35.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:39:36.277000+08:00","text":"所以，這部分你們是不是研議一下？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:39:36.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:39:43.059000+08:00","text":"今天有三個問題，第一個是有關於雇主的保險補助。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:39:43.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:39:49.121000+08:00","text":"第二個是移工對原住民族就業的影響。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:39:49.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:39:58.807000+08:00","text":"第三個是本席兩年都沒有拿到相關資料，因為各部會都說是其他人、其他部會，所以到現在沒有一個部會真的能夠主責。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:39:59.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:40:14.723000+08:00","text":"原住民學生在學校學習之後，特別是原專班，進入就業職場的數量、數額及比例是本席要知道的，這樣我們才能就政策面進行檢討，好不好？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:40:15.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:40:24.625000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，看起來所有單位都會找原民會，我是希望原民會可以知道問題所在，有些時候你們的量能沒有辦法涵蓋到社會的整體面。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:40:25.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:40:38.488000+08:00","text":"因此，剛才那個問題，必須先知道問題是什麼，我們再從你們的計畫政策去處理，這樣才不會把一堆問題都包進來，最後卻處理得並不是那麼有效率，好不好？好。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:40:39.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:40:56.641000+08:00","text":"也請勞動部與相關單位，像是衛福部，關於本席所講的健康問題，可不可以針對原住民的健康設立一個獨立單位來處理，至少把我們的平均餘命提高到比較接近一般值？","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:40:57.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:41:02.225000+08:00","text":"其他就是剛才本席所講的，我們要先找出問題，再去處理這個問題的應對，好嗎？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"羅赫踛Helu Chiu處長","start":"2026-04-01T14:41:05.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:41:16.877000+08:00","text":"委員，我再補充一下，在我們的原住民就業狀況調查當中，其實有把外勞造成影響的數據放進來，但是沒有影響評估。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:41:17.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:41:27.245000+08:00","text":"影響評估是有一些系統性及連接性，你們要與勞動部有更縝密的連結，才能知道比較細節性的問題在哪裡，好嗎？好的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-01T14:41:27.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:41:27.285000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T14:41:27.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-01T14:41:28.225000+08:00","text":"謝謝林倩綺委員質詢。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T14:41:28.725000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:41:34.725000+08:00","text":"接下來請洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷委員不在。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T14:41:35.025000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:41:40.167857+08:00","text":"請林楚茵委員、林楚茵委員、林楚茵委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-01T14:41:40.467857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-01T14:41:42.467857+08:00","text":"請楊曜委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}