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畢竟這麼多的院長大家對我的一個承諾是不是這一次就可以送大會了啊"},{"start":734.033,"end":739.78,"text":"你做政策的宣示嘛否則我覺得這個皮球踢來踢去的每次又大會然後又踢回來"},{"start":741.141,"end":765.237,"text":"人民苦等30年了一塊地沒有那麼地盡其力沒有那麼多久的時間去等部長第一個要把這個程序完成包括聽證會是不是一次就完成還是後續還有聽證會再來就跟土地的問題土地徵收是不是大家意見都能夠趨於一致那應該就是在這個會議當中進行多項的討論你願意做政策的宣示說完全支持這個"},{"start":766.218,"end":786.947,"text":"竹科山崎以及台灣知識經濟園區迅速的 盡速的把它審議完成嗎是做一個政策的選擇 我是做這個要求喔OK啦 OK 好 謝謝那最後一個問題喔 請那個 院長我對這個柯爾惠啊 最近補助一部電影叫做《那張照片裡的我們》"},{"start":788.307,"end":801.344,"text":"這部電影總共客委會補助了5700萬拍攝這部片子背景設定以1977年的中壢事件為主軸最終票房非常的慘淡 僅收回905萬"},{"start":803.507,"end":820.252,"text":"我們補助了5700萬只收回了905萬這個扣除跟電源的分潤回收的經費根本不到成本的10%如果沒有透過包廠觀賞的話票房可能更慘淡"},{"start":821.272,"end":845.063,"text":"本席辦公室也徵詢了一些課宇老師的看法他們的評價都很差認為沒有凸顯中立世界客家人的精神只是強調畫面唯美但敘事不清總體來說就是以講客家話為由來讓客爾會編列預算之意客爾會也沒有人出來檢討承擔相關的責任讓納稅人的錢白白打水漂 院長"},{"start":847.249,"end":873.809,"text":"納稅人的錢可以這樣白白打水漂嗎各位你在補助這部片子的時候我想當時楊昶正主委說要拍這部電影我就告訴他這部電影其實你要打造一個客家人的精神中立事件跟客家人有什麼關係你這個根本就是政治的一個操作所以你現在結果看出來花了那麼多錢沒有達到一個推展客家文化的一個效果這要不要檢討"},{"start":877.804,"end":889.353,"text":"跟委員報告我想我對於這部片子也是這樣的票房我也是不滿意那對於這個內容的敘事我想我們也有檢討的空間"},{"start":890.339,"end":903.609,"text":"那這樣子的內容其實我們也是不滿意沒有真正的實質核心我想不是在你任內決定的我想這個我們都必須要承擔我們都必須要面對來檢討但是我必須要說這個中立事件對於台灣來說對客家來說確實是一個"},{"start":914.978,"end":925.179,"text":"非常重要的一個事件但是你話虎不成反日前徐信良現場講抱怨說還原民主歷史"},{"start":947.279,"end":947.519,"text":"好 謝謝林思銘"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:49:31.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:49:31.578000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:49:31.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:49:32.819000+08:00","text":"院長，我請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T10:49:32.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:49:33.641000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長備詢。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:49:44.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:49:45.005000+08:00","text":"林委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:49:45.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:49:45.426000+08:00","text":"卓院長早。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:49:47.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:50:55.198000+08:00","text":"針對李貞秀委員剛才的質詢，我也想表達幾句話，其實依法行政是我們民主法治國家最高的指導原則，對於李貞秀委員的身分疑慮，院長你本身也是法律人，我們在野黨不斷地強調兩岸人民關係條例是國籍法的特別法，是優先適用的，李貞秀委員已經取得中華民國的身分證，也已經主動宣示放棄中國的國籍，而且他的立法委員資格也經過中選會的確認，也給了他當選的證書，所以從整個程序上來看，我們完全看不出來有什麼道理行政院竟然認為他不是立法委員、他不具這樣的身分。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:50:56.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:51:32.622000+08:00","text":"我想一個國家如果可以由行政部門恣意的去解釋我們的法律，這個不是法治，反而是人治，所以我還是在這邊衷心地期盼，我覺得第11屆立法院以來，行政院屢次做出選擇性的執法，沒有完全依照法律的精神、法律的制度去執行相關法律，這點我要予以提出譴責，也感覺到遺憾。","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:51:33.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:51:47.830000+08:00","text":"我只講兩句話，依照國籍法，就職前需要放棄中國國籍，「放棄」這兩個字是動作，就職後一年內要完成，這完成是相對條件，都沒有達成。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:51:48.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:51:57.953000+08:00","text":"院長，中選會是你的行政院轄下的機關，它都已經認定他已經放棄，所以取得中華民國立委的資格……","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:51:58.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:52:00.854000+08:00","text":"它沒有辦法佐證有放棄，放棄是一個動作。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:52:01.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:52:04.495000+08:00","text":"所以由您個人的意志來去表達，這非常不適當。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:52:04.495000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:52:05.495000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:52:05.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:52:07.736000+08:00","text":"個人意志沒有辦法抵抗中華人民共和國憲法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:52:08.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:52:12.098000+08:00","text":"這個問題我只講到這裡，我現在再提到一個您違憲違法的問題。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:52:12.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:52:23.984000+08:00","text":"院長，立法院三讀通過TPASS等相關的新興計畫718億，到底要不要執行？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:52:24.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:52:41.715000+08:00","text":"我只懇求立法院不要選擇性的用決議來割裂中央政府總預算，這兩天大雨，我們的災損金不能用、二備金不能用，這都是事實啊，為什麼不一次把它通過呢？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:52:42.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:52:57.043000+08:00","text":"院長，您去問主計總處，我想可能……您當院長連這個都不知道，關於二備金，如果是災損的話，所有公務預算都可以挪用的，所以你講這句話……","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:52:57.043000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:52:58.043000+08:00","text":"對，但災損金、二備金都不能用！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:52:57.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:13.208000+08:00","text":"你講說二備金不能用，但是其他的公務預算可以用，這一次我們看嘛，這718億過了，你卻表示立法院此公決案史無前例，且暫時同意動支不符合憲法與預算法的規定。","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:14.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:16.589000+08:00","text":"院長，你大錯特錯啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:16.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:20.290000+08:00","text":"怎麼你又是把個人意志凌駕於憲法之上呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:21.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:34.565000+08:00","text":"這個部分法律寫得那麼清楚，根據預算法第五十四條第一項第二款有關支出部分的規定是「新興資本支出及新增計畫，須俟本年度預算完成審議程序後始得動支。","quality":0.687},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:34.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:38.706000+08:00","text":"但依第八十八條規定辦理或經立法院同意者，不在此限。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:39.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:43.307000+08:00","text":"」所以立法院已經三讀通過了啊，你可以不執行啊？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:43.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:44.388000+08:00","text":"歲入沒有通過。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:46.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:47.781000+08:00","text":"院長，什麼歲入？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:47.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:51.483000+08:00","text":"這一條預算已經三讀通過了，你可以不執行喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:51.483000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:52.483000+08:00","text":"對，歲入沒有通過耶！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:52.483000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:53.483000+08:00","text":"歲入沒有通過……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:52.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:54.465000+08:00","text":"這兩回事，院長，你不要再去拗！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:54.465000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:55.465000+08:00","text":"沒有歲入，我們怎麼有歲出呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:54.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:56.086000+08:00","text":"我想你不要再去拗了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:56.086000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:53:57.827000+08:00","text":"審議後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:53:57.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:07.573000+08:00","text":"這個新興計畫的預算已經三讀通過，依照預算法的規定，已經由立法院三讀通過可以支出，為什麼你不去支出？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:11.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:23.462000+08:00","text":"這個三讀跟預算的三讀是不一樣的程序，至少付委了、在審議了，在過程當中時間上來不及，把它抽出來，這個還可以這樣依循，連付委都沒有，整個預算還在包裹裡面、還在冰箱裡面……","quality":0.658},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:23.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:24.983000+08:00","text":"院長，這個都是您個人意志的一個展現……","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:24.983000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:25.983000+08:00","text":"不是個人意志，從來沒有這樣過啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:25.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:31.128000+08:00","text":"當然，您一直強調說什麼只先過2%，98%沒有過，這個違憲……","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:31.128000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:33.430000+08:00","text":"是，事實是如此！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:33.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:41.255000+08:00","text":"但是我們看不出來憲法哪一條規定說立法院三讀通過的法律案、預算案，你可以不執行……","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:41.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:46.998000+08:00","text":"如果立法院再做一個決議，如果立法院經過三讀說全部其他的都可以用，當然都可以用啊，現在只有2%可以用，這個是事實啊！","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:47.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:53.022000+08:00","text":"院長，這是憲政基本的問題，您這樣子不執行，我覺得我要提醒您，如果今天……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:53.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:54:59.044000+08:00","text":"我們沒有不執行，我們是在據理力爭全部執行，而不是不執行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:54:59.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:06.467000+08:00","text":"如果行政院連這樣2%的門都不願意打開，我覺得你口口聲聲說要和立法院和解，跟韓院長要求總預算要審，我覺得你根本沒有誠信啦！","quality":0.673},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:07.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:08.128000+08:00","text":"您好像沒有誠信……","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:08.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:10.429000+08:00","text":"中選會我就被騙了，我要講什麼誠信？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:10.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:12.650000+08:00","text":"我要跟你們講什麼誠信？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:12.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:13.690000+08:00","text":"是你們沒有辦法誠信啊！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:13.690000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:14.690000+08:00","text":"中選會……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:14.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:15.611000+08:00","text":"中選會被騙了，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:17.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:18.672000+08:00","text":"這個我沒有參與，我不能回答你。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:19.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:21.192000+08:00","text":"那我們喝杯咖啡，我好好講給你聽。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:21.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:22.653000+08:00","text":"但是剛才羅智強委員已經講得很清楚，到底有沒有……","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:24.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:26.314000+08:00","text":"會後有時間我可以講給你聽。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:26.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:42.900000+08:00","text":"我想這個不在我們今天討論題目啦，我還是要告訴你，行政院如果現在完全不顧民生，不執行這筆救命的預算，還在搞政治算計，您個人的意志凌駕於法律之上，我覺得你對不起臺灣全體人民啦……","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:43.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:46.842000+08:00","text":"我們一起來對得起國家的法律跟預算，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:47.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:48.964000+08:00","text":"我們一起來面對國家的法律跟預算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:48.964000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:55:49.964000+08:00","text":"所以我強烈要求院長，您是法律人，依法行政很重要，執行新興計畫啦，不要成為憲政的破壞者。","quality":0.053},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:55:49.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:56:43.048000+08:00","text":"院長，第二個問題，我一直關心我們新竹縣的發展，有關竹科三期及臺灣知識經濟園區，我在上次總質詢也問過你，我想新竹縣是臺灣的科技心臟，地方的發展不能一再被延宕，我從上一屆（第10屆）立法委員到現在第11屆，我每個會期不斷的在質詢這個題目，在這10屆第1會期第1次會議的院會總質詢時，我向當時的行政院蘇院長及內政部徐國勇部長詢問，然後又經過陳建仁院長與林右昌部長，到現在的卓院長跟劉世芳部長，我總共7次在院會總質詢中為新竹縣請命希望能儘速通過。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:56:47.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:57:08.774000+08:00","text":"當時徐國勇部長信誓旦旦的跟我表示，他在質詢台表示，已跟楊縣長談過，非常了解，一定會依法處理，而且對於很多建設，站在政府的立場，尤其行政院都已經核定通過，一定是樂觀其成的，會用最快的速度通過，讓新竹縣跟新竹市能夠軸線翻轉。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:57:10.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:57:19.596000+08:00","text":"到了陳建仁院長，陳院長也答復本席，政府支持任何一個可以使臺灣高科技產業興盛的計畫。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:57:19.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:57:56.072000+08:00","text":"去年10月4號的院會總質詢，本席一樣的詢問院長有關臺灣知識經濟園區及新竹科學園區三期，也跟院長及劉部長就教，當時院長答復本席說桃竹苗大矽谷是我們進度最快的六大產業生活區，一定會按照速度，甚至加速完成，因為它必須和大南方新矽谷兩個合為一體，帶動臺灣的雙引擎共同發展。是。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:57:57.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:58:08.687000+08:00","text":"劉部長也答復本席，依據內政部的了解，縣政府正在辦理可行性評估作業，預計今年年底就可以完成。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:58:09.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:58:10.509000+08:00","text":"我們來看一下投影片。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:58:10.509000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T10:59:31.911000+08:00","text":"（播放影片）","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:59:31.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T10:59:35.153000+08:00","text":"院長，剛才您的回答也非常明確。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T10:59:35.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:00:20.359000+08:00","text":"關於竹科三期計畫，我先講竹科三期，在3月31號最後一次（第6次）專案小組會議也已經開過會了，楊縣長親自率縣府團隊參加，會後依照我們知道的大概情況，整個委員開會的結果也蠻順利的，所以是不是本案，我想了解一下，請部長回答好了，到底我們國土署這一次的專案小組開會，開完之後，是不是就會整個彙整相關的意見修正之後，然後就會送我們都委會的大會來審議，因為拖太久了啦！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-07T11:00:20.359000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:00:36.129500+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-07T11:00:36.129500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:00:51.900000+08:00","text":"我想委員追蹤這個進度，我們也非常了解，包括楊縣長也有到內政部國土署來開會，目前我們所了解的部分，就是請縣政府跟經濟部按照土徵條例來召開聽證會，這個聽證會就是要把民眾有反對意見的部分，能夠做比較好的溝通，溝通結束之後會按照原來的計畫看要不要修正，修正過後再送我們的小組或是大會來審議。","quality":0.008},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:00:51.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:00:54.761000+08:00","text":"部長，你剛才講要開聽證會，是指那個臺灣知識……","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-07T11:00:54.761000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:00:55.761000+08:00","text":"這是土徵條例裡面規範的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:00:54.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:00:55.462000+08:00","text":"對，那是臺灣知識經濟園區……對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:00:55.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:00:57.383000+08:00","text":"至於科三，現在土徵小組也都已經開完會了……是。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:00:57.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:00:58.003000+08:00","text":"那這次再送回我們的小組再審……","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-07T11:00:58.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:10.010000+08:00","text":"小組會議，然後再送大會，對。對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:10.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:14.975000+08:00","text":"所以我現在只針對科三先問你，我想聽證會目前會開嘛？是。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:15.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:18.077000+08:00","text":"經濟部也在籌辦……在籌辦當中……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:18.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:20.299000+08:00","text":"對，經濟部也知道了，他們有大會。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:20.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:24.322000+08:00","text":"但是這一次針對竹科三期，我們現在需地那麼急啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:24.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:29.207000+08:00","text":"竹科三期這次是不是請部長……我想做一個政策的宣示啦！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:29.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:51.846000+08:00","text":"院長，你都同意，歷經這麼多任的院長，大家對我的一個承諾，是不是這次就可以送大會了，你做政策的宣示嘛，否則我覺得這個皮球踢來踢去的，每次又大會然後又踢回來，人民苦等30年了，一塊地應該要地盡其利，沒有那麼久的時間去等。部長……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:51.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:55.389000+08:00","text":"委員，第一個要把這個程序完成，包括聽證會是不是一次就完成……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:55.389000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:56.389000+08:00","text":"院長，是，程序都完成了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:55.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:01:57.270000+08:00","text":"還是後續還有聽證會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T11:01:57.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:02:05.235000+08:00","text":"再來，就是有關土地的問題，土地徵收是不是大家的意見都能夠趨於一致，應該就是在這個會議當中進行多項的討論，對，這個完成之後……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:02:05.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:02:15.361000+08:00","text":"院長，你願意做政策的宣示，說願意完全支持竹科三期以及臺灣知識經濟園區，迅速的、儘速的把它審議完成嗎？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:02:15.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:02:17.842000+08:00","text":"你做一個政策的宣示，我是做這個要求喔。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T11:02:17.842000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:02:19.062000+08:00","text":"按照這個程序，我們當然希望，對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:02:19.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:02:20.063000+08:00","text":"OK啦？OK？對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:02:20.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:02:21.783000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:02:21.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:02:23.044000+08:00","text":"最後一個問題要請客委會。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:02:24.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:02:29.947000+08:00","text":"院長，客委會最近補助一部電影，叫做「那張照片裡的我們」。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:02:31.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:02:44.344000+08:00","text":"這部電影總共客委會補助了5,700萬拍攝，這部片子背景設定以1977年的中壢事件為主軸，最終票房非常的慘淡，僅收回905萬。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:02:46.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:03:03.232000+08:00","text":"我們補助了5,700萬，只收回了905萬，扣除跟電影院的分潤，回收的經費根本不到成本的10%；如果沒有透過包場觀賞的話，票房可能更慘淡。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:03:04.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:03:15.537000+08:00","text":"本席辦公室也徵詢了一些客語老師的看法，他們的評價都很差，認為沒有凸顯中壢事件中客家人的精神，只是強調畫面唯美，但敘事不清。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:03:16.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:03:27.583000+08:00","text":"總體來說就是以講客家話為由來讓客會編列預算支應，客委會也沒有人出來檢討、承擔相關的責任，讓納稅人的錢白白打水漂。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:03:28.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:03:32.791000+08:00","text":"院長，納稅人的錢可以這樣白白地打水漂嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:03:33.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:03:47.342000+08:00","text":"客委會，你在補助這部片子的時候，我想當時楊長鎮主委說要拍這部電影，我就告訴他，這部電影其實你要打造的是客家人的精神，中壢事件跟客家人有什麼關係？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:03:47.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:03:56.809000+08:00","text":"你這個根本就是政治的操作，所以現在結果看出來，花了那麼多錢，沒有達到推展客家文化的效果，這要不要檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:00.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:05.528000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，對於這部片子這樣的票房，我也是不滿意。是。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:07.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:19.003000+08:00","text":"對於內容的敘事，我想我們也有檢討的空間，這樣子的內容，其實我們也是不滿意，沒有真正的直指核心，沒有……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:19.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:21.265000+08:00","text":"主委，我想不是在你任內決定的，不是在你任內，我是可以……","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:22.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:23.607000+08:00","text":"我想我們都必須要承擔，我們也都必須要……","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:23.607000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:24.607000+08:00","text":"對，你還是要承擔這個……我希望，院長，我們客委會……","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:23.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:24.427000+08:00","text":"我們都必須要面對來檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:24.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:41.125000+08:00","text":"但是，我必須要說，中壢事件對於臺灣來說，對於客家來說，確實是非常重要的一個歷史事件。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:41.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:42.608000+08:00","text":"但是你畫虎不成反類犬。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:43.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:48.159000+08:00","text":"許信良縣長抱怨說，還原民主歷史最重要的就是訪問，而不是純靠想像的……","quality":0.367},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:48.159000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:50.941500+08:00","text":"是，我想這個都是必須要檢討的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:50.941500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:53.724000+08:00","text":"這部電影拍得不倫不類。","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:53.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:56.506500+08:00","text":"這個議題是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:56.506500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:04:59.289000+08:00","text":"以後的補助真的要特別的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"古主任委員秀妃","start":"2026-04-07T11:04:59.289000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:02.071500+08:00","text":"這個我們確實是要檢討。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:02.071500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:04.854000+08:00","text":"要謹慎，不能這樣亂花錢、浪費公帑。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:04.854000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:07.636500+08:00","text":"對文化影視作品的獎勵跟補助我們會持續進行，最近包括大濛、包括冠軍之路，都有很好的例子讓我們可以學習，我們會檢討。","quality":0.02},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:07.636500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:10.419000+08:00","text":"客委會要加油啦，謝謝。是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:10.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:10.519000+08:00","text":"謝謝林思銘委員質詢。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:11.019000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:13.590429+08:00","text":"非常謝謝韓院長，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:13.890429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:18.176143+08:00","text":"謝謝卓院長、相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:18.476143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:24.190429+08:00","text":"報告院會，我們內政組的質詢已經詢答完畢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:24.490429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:42.490429+08:00","text":"再次謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的列席答詢，現在作以下決定：下次會議進行外交及國防組之質詢；另外，依照協商結論，本次會議我們不再處理臨時提案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:42.790429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:05:58.790429+08:00","text":"再次謝謝王鴻薇委員、陳永康委員、范雲委員、吳沛憶委員、王安祥委員、劉書彬委員、李貞秀委員以及王正旭委員一起參與我們今天的質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T11:05:59.090429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:06:00.804714+08:00","text":"我們現在散會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-07T11:06:01.104714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-07T11:06:02.247571+08:00","text":"散會（11時5分）","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}