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是不是這樣"},{"start":343.322,"end":359.524,"text":"是的一個公司一個完整的能源公司的營運其實你是不是應該透過上游有一些開採下游有一些進口其實你的開採跟進口不能說它比重是相同但是你還是要有一些比例上的分配"},{"start":360.505,"end":372.696,"text":"現在看起來中油大概仰賴進口的比重已經超過90%你們自己的碳採你們自己的開採投資海外礦區的投資是不是已經完全停滯"},{"start":374.127,"end":393.922,"text":"那現在中東戰火這樣子過去投資查德的錢投資查德的這個計畫目前看起來算是短暫有幫中油有獲取到的一些利益喔但是未來呢在整個能源公司在中油整個能源配置"},{"start":395.592,"end":404.619,"text":"的計畫裡頭你們有沒有什麼新的想法或者是更精進更積極的作為這個是董事長要回答嗎謝謝邱委員的指導確實我們在國外的礦區裡面這幾年查的礦區是給我們帶來收益"},{"start":415.543,"end":434.175,"text":"那麼對於這個國外礦區的部門發展目前是訂出來在119年我們所謂的國外的自由遊園要達到10%那現在大概不到5%了後續我們會加倍努力那麼我們也訂出一些優先順序"},{"start":435.496,"end":461.152,"text":"所謂優先順序就是以權益併購為主要因為它比較快速就可以取得遊園同時對於政經環境比較優良的地區也當成首選譬如說美國北美地區或是澳洲這個當成是一個首選那麼第二個順位就是像東南亞這些國家這些也當成第二個選擇總之我們在119年要達到10%的目標"},{"start":465.667,"end":481.907,"text":"119年能夠達得到嗎我現在看起來中油第一個你已經快要破產快要沒錢了你連自己國內的營運都已經快要成問題了更何況你是要去併購或者是要去海外做投資你的錢在哪裡如果增資不成功"},{"start":483.072,"end":493.843,"text":"如果特別預算的撥補不成功我很擔心中油會撐不下去這個也是經濟部應該這是迫在眉睫要去處理的問題部長這個可能"},{"start":496.625,"end":512.005,"text":"可能還是要請你們跟立法院的委員們多多拜託啦那這個也要讓大家了解到整個戰火整個這個戰爭影響到了國際的能源的議題包括中油你不能一直叫中油這個吸收成本中油連續虧損七年"},{"start":514.601,"end":539.529,"text":"那這個虧損政府其實早就應該要做一些政策性的調整來協助中油包括我剛剛講的你們的海外探勘海外的礦區的配置這一些投資其實應該都要納在你們未來的年度計畫裡頭這個可能要重新去思考整個中油未來的營運好不好謝謝委員指教"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:22:06.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:22:12.402000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我請一下經濟部部長及中油董事長。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T09:22:12.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:22:14.124000+08:00","text":"請部長跟中油方董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:22:14.124000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:22:18.898000+08:00","text":"邱委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:22:18.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:22:19.199000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:22:19.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:22:37.020000+08:00","text":"部長，今天我們來討論中油增資的議題，整個中東戰事升溫，其實全球都面臨到能源的油價或者是天然氣的價格持續攀高。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:22:38.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:22:47.889000+08:00","text":"中油從3月23號開始宣布汽油每1公升漲1.8塊，柴油漲1.4塊，對不對？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:22:48.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:22:55.056000+08:00","text":"這相對反映國際油價，其實國際油價應該要上漲大概是15塊嘛，是不是這樣？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:22:55.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:23:39.626000+08:00","text":"所以中油自己吸收大概是13.2塊的成本，我按照中油自己對外公布，從2月28號開始的三個禮拜，大概吸收將近65億元的成本，如果到4月的時候，應該已經吸收達到90.6億元；剛剛幾個報告，包括未來天然氣的對外採購等等，中油自己評估如果戰事繼續延續的話，中油整個吸收成本將會逼近2,000億，所以經濟部在這個時候提出了增資案。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:23:40.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:24:30.980000+08:00","text":"部長，我想進一步請教，當然中油這個時候提出增資案，我必須替中油抱屈一下，其實在過去幾年，包括從俄烏戰爭開始，我們過去一直在幫台電提出增資、在幫台電說話，可是大家好像都一直忽略中油，其實中油不是現在才提出希望增資，他們從2022年就提出希望有200億的增資；2023年提出希望增資1,000億；2024年、2025年也一直提出增資的要求，但是經濟部一直到現在，中油的負債比已經高達92.5%、已經快要破產了，經濟部終於同意讓中油增資。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:24:30.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:24:37.883000+08:00","text":"部長或者是中油董事長，你們可以回答一下，3,500億能撐多久？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:24:38.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:24:42.825000+08:00","text":"如果中油這次增資不成功的話，中油還可以撐多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:24:44.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:24:44.455000+08:00","text":"請董事長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:24:46.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:25:12.722000+08:00","text":"中油公司可以撐多久，其實看中東事件所影響的期間到達什麼樣的範疇，我想說明增資3,500億的考慮，當然中東這個事件是臨時發生的，在1月初我們提出3,500億，主要的原因是兩項，第一個是填補去年年底我們的累積虧損；第二個就是……","quality":0.617},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:25:12.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:25:13.722000+08:00","text":"你們已經連續7年虧損了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:25:12.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:25:16.164000+08:00","text":"114年的累積虧損；另外一個，對能源轉型來講，為了未來天然氣相關計畫的韌性提升所需要的資金進行統整，提出3,500億的需求。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:25:34.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:25:39.445000+08:00","text":"董事長，你還是沒有完全回答我的問題，這3,500億夠不夠你花？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:25:40.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:25:44.247000+08:00","text":"你現在講的這一些包括韌性的需求、能源轉型的需求。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:25:44.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:25:47.989000+08:00","text":"部長，你可以說一下這3,500億要花多久？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:25:48.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:25:51.231000+08:00","text":"現在不知道立法院會不會通過喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:25:51.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:25:54.072000+08:00","text":"藍白的委員不曉得會不會支持增資案喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:25:54.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:25:59.735000+08:00","text":"所以增資案如果立法院沒通過的話，中油還能夠撐多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:01.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:13.936000+08:00","text":"報告委員，行政院現在協助中油的部分大概有三個面向，一個是專案融資，也謝謝行政院秘書長在幫我們跟央行及其他銀行來做協商。對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:15.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:23.702000+08:00","text":"第二個就是撥補的部分，用預算來撥補，看是用特別預算還是什麼樣的預算來撥補，填補中油吸收的部分。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:24.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:32.849000+08:00","text":"而增資的部分，主要還是用在未來投資之用，剛剛董事長有特別提到了，將來有很多的設備需要投資下去……","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:33.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:38.533000+08:00","text":"部長，你講到的這些錢還是都要立法院通過，不管是不是用特別預算……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:38.533000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:39.954000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:39.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:43.697000+08:00","text":"今年度的總預算都沒過了，你的特別預算要編在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:43.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:44.738000+08:00","text":"要編在哪一年度？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:45.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:46.439000+08:00","text":"特別預算要怎麼處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:46.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:56.450000+08:00","text":"如果藍白主導的立法院持續不通過預算、持續不給錢，中油能夠撐多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:26:57.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:26:59.171000+08:00","text":"你們都一直不敢正面回答這個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:00.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:13.640000+08:00","text":"第二個，我要談的是中油現在講的都是進口，我們一直在談進口能源，包括這個ART要去跟美國採買，你的強化韌性還是都在進口。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:14.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:40.801000+08:00","text":"過去中油自己是有投資的，包括你們投資的礦田，印尼、厄瓜多甚至查德，你們其實都是有投資的，我不知道從什麼時候開始，過去的投資事業合約到期之後，一個一個都收起來了，你們現在唯一還有持續在投資的，也是現在在幫你們賺錢的是查德的油田，對不對？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:40.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:42.462000+08:00","text":"董事長，是不是這樣？是的。好。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:44.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:27:51.334000+08:00","text":"一個完整能源公司的營運，是不是應該透過上游有一些開採、下游有一些進口？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:27:52.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:28:11.696000+08:00","text":"你的開採跟進口不能說比重是相同，但你還是要有一些比例上的分配，現在看起來，中油大概仰賴進口的比重已經超過90%，你們自己的探採，你們自己的開採、海外礦區的投資是不是已經完全停滯？","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:28:13.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:28:41.598000+08:00","text":"現在這樣的中東戰火，過去投資查德的錢、投資查德的計畫，目前看起來算是短暫有幫中油獲取到一些利益，但是未來在中油整個能源配置的計畫裡頭，你們有沒有什麼新的想法，或者是更精進、更積極的作為，這個是董事長要回答嗎？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:28:41.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:28:41.798000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱委員的指導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:28:41.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:10.414000+08:00","text":"確實我們在國外的礦區裡面，這幾年查德礦區是給我們帶來收益，對於國外礦區的發展，目前是訂定119年國外的自有油源要達到10%，現在大概不到5%，後續我們會加倍努力。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:11.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:38.651000+08:00","text":"我們也訂出一些優先順序，所謂的優先順序就是以權益併購為主要，因為它比較快速就可以取得油源，同時對於政經環境比較優良的地區也當成首選，譬如美國、北美地區或是澳洲，當成是一個首選；第二個順位就是像東南亞這些國家，這些也當成第二個選擇。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:38.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:40.152000+08:00","text":"總之我們在119年要達到10%的目標，以上。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:44.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:46.329000+08:00","text":"119年能夠達得到嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:46.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:29:59.465000+08:00","text":"我現在看起來，第一個，中油已經快要破產、快要沒錢了，你連自己國內的營運已經都快要成問題了，更何況你是要去併購，或者是要去海外投資，你的錢在哪裡？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:29:59.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:07.377000+08:00","text":"如果增資不成功，如果特別預算的撥補不成功，我很擔心中油會撐不下去。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:08.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:18.989000+08:00","text":"這是迫在眉睫、應該要去處理的問題，部長，可能還是要請你們多多向立法院的委員們拜託！是、是。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:20.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:30.204000+08:00","text":"所以要讓大家了解因為整個戰火、戰爭而影響到國際能源的議題，不能一直叫中油吸收成本！","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:30.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:30.985000+08:00","text":"中油已經連續虧損七年了！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"邱委員議瑩","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:35.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:56.608000+08:00","text":"面對中油的虧損，政府早就應該要做政策性調整來協助中油，包括我剛剛講的你們海外探勘、海外礦區的配置，這些投資其實都應該納入你們未來的年度計畫裡，並重新思考整個中油的未來營運，好不好？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:56.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:30:58.509000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員指教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員代）","start":"2026-04-08T09:30:59.009000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:31:01.580429+08:00","text":"接下來請洪召委質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}