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這就是我下一個要講的一定要加強查緝確認說這個缺貨"},{"start":261.994,"end":279.436,"text":"不是有人在囤貨然後是能夠讓基層的這些攤商跟這些等於是這些小職業者能夠用合理的價格買到否則他們的成本不斷的拉高最後也是要投射到這個消費者端來啊"},{"start":280.597,"end":300.291,"text":"所以這個也是我們最主要的目的所以我們從這個料園的源頭然後一直到中間的生產製造商然後到通路端我們大概有分成幾個部分來做一些調度跟協調的一些工作這方面我也很相信部長有專業也一定能夠協調成功但是我也想要提醒部長的是"},{"start":301.572,"end":306.934,"text":"這個塑料供應緊張我們藥當然要減塑盡量少使用但是有一些狀況是必須的包括我們藥局的藥袋包括食品的封膜還有我們農業的這個包膜那這個幾乎都是跟食安跟醫療有關沒有替代品那經濟部有沒有針對這些民生必須的特殊包材進行盤點呢"},{"start":326.719,"end":341.647,"text":"我們有一個跨部會的協調機制就是其他部會您剛才提到衛福部還有其他部會他需要的部分我們會優先供應給他畢竟這個衛福需要的相關器材那個是比較重要的那個跟生命安全比較重要我們會優先供應"},{"start":342.327,"end":358.96,"text":"那這部分就拜託部長繼續高度關注那我想要繼續請教部長您應該很清楚說中油目前的財務狀況為了配合政策穩定物價吸收的金額聽說已經快要將近百億了"},{"start":360.837,"end":366.159,"text":"那個油價的部分目前累計吸收虧損多少大概90億左右90.6億那這個負債比我目前看起來負債比已經高達92%了那隨著這個中東的衝突如果繼續持續的話進口的油氣成本繼續墊高那這樣子的話經濟部"},{"start":383.903,"end":389.589,"text":"有沒有一個設一個虧損的上限否則這樣繼續無限制的吸收下去的話中油負擔得起嗎對所以我們當然就是吸收的部分一定是在中油它可以承受的範圍那所以這個範圍是對另外我們多少您內心有一個底是所以我們另外"},{"start":405.666,"end":423.122,"text":"也從另外一方面資金的挹注來協助中油包括有三個面向一個就是用專案融資的部分來協助它第二個就是說用撥補的方式預算撥補的方式第三個就是增資的方式三個同時並行那現在已經在運作當中啟動當中"},{"start":424.423,"end":441.258,"text":"因為本席的確是非常擔心中油的財務那我們當然都希望中油能夠以穩定民生物價為首要考量但是面對這個成本不斷的飆漲我們也不能只是靠他們不斷的吸收我們還是希望說除了這個開源之外我們也要節流"},{"start":445.802,"end":450.866,"text":"就是說能不能有效減少石油跟能源的消耗然後減輕中油的負擔就像上週本席質詢的減少公務車的使用啊是不是有一些政策可以讓我們政府帶頭能夠減少實際的這個能源消耗我不曉得部長有沒有注意到包括其他國家馬來西亞政府從4月15號起他就讓"},{"start":473.143,"end":501.236,"text":"符合條件的聯邦公務員每週最少三天居家辦公目的就是減少燃料的使用那如果公務員大規模的響應他們希望可以省下730億的燃油開支那包括泰國的總理他也決議說居家辦公甚至是隨處辦公那這個是一個具體的節流措施不曉得說部長有沒有考慮過這一點"},{"start":502.99,"end":514.703,"text":"報告委員那個泰國還有馬來西亞他們狀況比我們嚴峻那如果到需要這樣我們會跟行政院來反映如果真的需要這樣現在暫時間好像還沒有那麼樣的嚴重"},{"start":518.367,"end":525.712,"text":"我當然希望說這個戰爭趕快有一個能源危機短期之內可以有一個明確的盡頭但是這可能是一場長期抗戰本席建議我們經濟部甚至行政院應該還是要未雨綢繆參考一下國際經驗然後是不是可以開始做一些盤點甚至說一些政策的規劃否則到時候逼到眼睛來了"},{"start":547.226,"end":547.246,"text":"好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:15.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:16.653000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，我想請經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:16.653000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:28.533000+08:00","text":"請龔部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:28.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:28.653000+08:00","text":"張委員早安。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:28.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:28.773000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:28.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:13.972000+08:00","text":"這兩週全臺灣都非常關心塑膠袋短缺的問題，本席看到數據非常的驚人，近一個月來，乙烯漲了97%，HDPE、LDPE這些看來用來製造民生用品的原物料，也都漲了將近50%、46%等等，基層攤商反映，現在不只是袋子難買，供貨商甚至不寫標價，改為用實價來販售，這已經不是合理的市場波動了，部長，經濟部目前掌握到的供應情況跟價格的波動，您可不可以先說明一下呢？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:15.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:23.511000+08:00","text":"報告委員，實際上，當然上游的部分，因為直接反映原料來源，會漲比較多，但是它會遞延。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:24.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:36.343000+08:00","text":"事實上，現在到了塑膠袋，看起來，我們昨天有跟廠商有一些座談，跟商圈的廠商有一些座談，大概差不多的確是有漲差不多30%。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:36.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:36.644000+08:00","text":"上漲30%至45%左右嘛。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:41.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:52.091000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，我們現在提出的就是，因為現在塑膠袋使用的乙烯的量，大概是2.2萬噸，我們從這個月開始，會增加5,500，就變成27.5萬噸，增加了5,000噸，它可以製造大概12.5億個塑膠袋，我們希望透過這個方式……","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:02.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:08.459000+08:00","text":"所以你覺得透過這個方式可以平息塑膠袋之亂？對。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:09.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:16.264000+08:00","text":"我想要請教部長，部長應該也非常了解，每天消耗塑膠袋封膜最大的族群是誰，您知道嗎？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:17.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:18.586000+08:00","text":"我們知道的，現在稍微比較吃緊的，大概就是商圈跟夜市啦。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:18.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:40.487000+08:00","text":"是，就不是一般的民眾，是全臺灣傳統市場裡面的這些攤商、小吃，然後夜市裡面的飲料店、小吃店、便當店等等，對他們來說，這是跟他們生計相關的剛性需求。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:40.487000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:41.487000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:41.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:43.528000+08:00","text":"所以本席希望部長要為他們趕快穩定供應，否則他們如果沒有這些包材的話，他們連做生意都沒辦法做了耶。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:53.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:44:16.054000+08:00","text":"是，所以昨天我們開這個座談會，全臺灣的商圈代表有出席，哪一部分，有問題的部分，我們馬上去處理、解決，短期間透過一些調度的方式，就是稍微長一點，我們剛才提到的那個料源增加以後，我們儘快增加生產出來以後，然後分配給他們，而且這一批我們是採用平價的供應。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-08T09:44:17.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:44:46.744000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