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我們有講得很清楚啦"},{"start":525.663,"end":544.882,"text":"報告委員確實如此可能你自己很清楚啦但你公布的是不清楚的確實委員講這件事是一個我們為什麼要公布這個這樣子好不好你在會後今天就給我一份你認為最正確的資料再補一份上來那最後我想在一分鐘的時間您剛剛說到我們現在有一個數位憑證皮夾APP對不對我覺得很棒"},{"start":549.346,"end":576.409,"text":"這是一個很好的構想 也是一個很好的行動那我看到你的網站上介紹說不管是超商取貨 辦理政府業務拿出手機點一點就搞定了使用數位憑證憑假 辦理政府業務的時候只需要這個攜帶手機不需要一些繁瑣的證件手續 對嗎那我請教一下 那現在哪一些政府業務可以辦理目前 因為我們才剛剛在推出 那我們現在就是哪一些 現在可以辦理哪一些政府業務"},{"start":583.193,"end":597.423,"text":"今天報告我是哪一些政府業務目前的部分我們可以用的部分包含公務局的駕照 駕照相關的應用那後續在4月底會有工商名證也就是公司行號的生產推薦沒有 我就說目前嘛 我今天等一下要辦的話"},{"start":598.343,"end":624.52,"text":"跟你們報告一下 政府的角色主要是發證然後在應用的話 我們現在是民間應用譬如說我用政府發的那個駕照去用民間去租車所以就是說直接政府的應用這個上面我們目前部長啦 我建議你網路上去修正啦不要在這邊在這邊胡說八道了啦我今天拿出來看 本身剛剛就上去看看了以後就是兩個問問看是不是要去什麼便利超商是要到全家便利還是7-11去取貨沒有別的功能啦"},{"start":627.262,"end":631.083,"text":"沒有啦 我剛才要咨詢你之前我才看過啦我們接下來馬上會有台大 成大教大學生證跟畢業證我再重申一次你這個數位憑證皮夾我覺得很好但是我覺得身為速發部你最主要的功能我們現在都認為打詐嘛但不能左手打詐右邊詐騙啊你現在還沒有做到嘛"},{"start":650.828,"end":675.967,"text":"還沒有做到事情就不要好大喜功拿來寫這樣民眾上去看了以後會失望啊會對政府失望明明說可以辦很多政府業務結果他們一上去看什麼都不能辦只能去取貨我建議你啦如果是後面後面才要來可以執行的部分的話就不要在這上面去把它寫出來這是另外詐騙的一種啦好不好如果說有詐騙的話麻煩那個委員就明確講出來哪一句話不對我已經講出來了你是聽不懂喔"},{"start":676.747,"end":691.823,"text":"我講得這麼清楚嘛你說辦理政府業務那你現在又說政府業務要後面啊馬上要怎麼樣連結啊就還沒有嘛那本席好意提醒你說這個APP這個做法很好但是還沒有做到不要好大喜功對民眾來講這就是一種欺騙好不好所以這個部分請你嚴謹啦"},{"start":696.007,"end":721.659,"text":"那再來最後 我想現在我們在各部會有一些文化幣 運動幣 客家幣等等那我希望部長能夠跟其他部會的部長去研究一下說能不能把它整合起來這樣不要說一種數位幣就可以一個APP其實會 各機關是成本浪費也很麻煩這個部分研究一下好不好是 現在客家幣已經是使用我們的共同平台所以已經有開始了對好 那文化幣 運動幣也拜託好不好了解看看有沒有可能可以整合一下"},{"start":722.54,"end":744.016,"text":"是 因為他們已經launch了所以這個時候要拿回來再改的話比較麻煩但是如果說政府其他部會有新的這種幣要發行的話現在我們也都跟各個部會去溝通希望他們盡量利用速發部所開發的這個共同發放平台那不發現金事實上也是利用這個共同發放平台去發的好 OK 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:28.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:28.548000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，有請部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:29.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:29.189000+08:00","text":"請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:36.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:37.189000+08:00","text":"萬委員，早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:37.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:37.509000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:39.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:40:50.691000+08:00","text":"3月31號晚上LINE出現大規模登錄異常，帳戶也被盜用，被盜用的對象比較多是台灣大哥大的用戶。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:40:51.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:00.913000+08:00","text":"現在了解主要是有一些不肖人士利用台灣大哥大語音信箱功能跟LINE驗證機制的一些漏洞去盜取民眾的帳戶，顯然部長是知道這件事的。是。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:01.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:05.314000+08:00","text":"這個事發生到現在一個禮拜，部長有沒有掌握目前我們有多少民眾受害？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:07.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:22.276000+08:00","text":"目前台灣大哥大接獲的客訴事實上只有16件，但是我們所了解受到影響的民眾應該是更多，遠超過這個數字，只是說正式跟台灣大哥大提出客訴的只有16件，這個事情我們……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:23.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:30.319000+08:00","text":"因為我相信很多民眾就自認倒楣、有人嫌麻煩、有人覺得算了，這種應該很多！是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:30.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:38.444000+08:00","text":"這件事情我們除了人數上要去掌握一下之外，有沒有考慮過這到底是LINE的問題，還是台灣大哥大的問題？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:38.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:39.605000+08:00","text":"這個責任歸屬是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:40.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:47.410000+08:00","text":"我想委員問到一個重點，事實上在這種資安或者是詐騙的時候，常常很有趣的是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:47.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:47.910000+08:00","text":"個別來看……","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:48.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:48.510000+08:00","text":"很有趣喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:49.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:50.071000+08:00","text":"我沒有覺得很有趣！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:51.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:41:52.613000+08:00","text":"抱歉，我講錯話。OK！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:41:54.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:13.364000+08:00","text":"就是說個別來看的話都是一個小問題，因為台哥大提供了一個語音信箱遠端可以操控的功能，這個本身是一個正面的事情，只是說它有一個小問題是從台灣之星那邊接收過來的帳戶……","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:13.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:17.406000+08:00","text":"那個背景我想我們都知道，現在你認為到底應該是誰的責任？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:17.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:19.207000+08:00","text":"還是雙方都有責任？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:19.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:23.269000+08:00","text":"我是這樣講，對兩邊來講都不是很大的問題，但是結合起來就是一個漏洞。好。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:23.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:26.150000+08:00","text":"很多的資安問題都是這個樣子，所以我們現在最重要的問題是……","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:26.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:26.210000+08:00","text":"所以聽起來是兩造都有問題！","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:26.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:26.370000+08:00","text":"趕快把這個漏洞堵住。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:26.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:26.750000+08:00","text":"當然，我覺得您說得非常的好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:26.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:42:31.651000+08:00","text":"現在看起來LINE針對這件事情提供了一些補救方式，它有提到如果這個帳號已經綁定Apple或者Google帳號，它可能可以幫民眾找回帳號，但如果沒有綁定的話，可能就只能協助重新建立一個帳號。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:42:31.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:02.422000+08:00","text":"但我們都知道，民眾對於LINE的依賴度很高，再辦一個新的帳號其實有很多困擾，現在是如果有購買付費商品，可能會補上經費。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:02.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:08.586000+08:00","text":"不過帳號被盜用之後還會衍生一些法律問題，這才是最可怕的，就是拿這個帳號去詐騙。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:09.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:17.412000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有去了解一下，如果這個帳號被盜，被盜了之後又拿去做詐騙的工具，甚至於得逞了，法律的責任應該是誰要來負？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:21.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:32.912000+08:00","text":"萬委員提的這個問題就是這個問題的核心，其實LINE帳號被盜用很大的一個可能就是詐騙集團拿去做下一次的詐騙。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:34.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:47.481000+08:00","text":"詐騙事實上是一個產業鏈，它是一個階段、一個階段做的，它利用各種小小的資安漏洞，湊合起來就變成一個很大的資安漏洞，法律的事情我想可能得上法院才能釐清！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:47.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:47.961000+08:00","text":"因為你說這個事情是……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:49.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:55.384000+08:00","text":"部長，我同意，後端當然就是來到司法，雖然說司法對於現在的詐騙，我看起來是滿束手無策的，所以我們才會有一個數發部，才會想要從源頭想辦法去遏止這個事情的發生，所以我同意你剛剛說的一部分。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:43:55.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:43:57.704000+08:00","text":"但是我覺得發生這樣的事情，數發部其實應該要跟平台、跟LINE或者跟台灣大哥大……我不知道你們針對這個案子開過會了沒有？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:44:17.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:44:21.898000+08:00","text":"對不起，我自己沒有開過會，但是應該我們同仁都有跟他們聯絡，因為現在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:44:22.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:44:38.405000+08:00","text":"我覺得不是單向聯絡而已，事實上是應該要把電信業者和平台業者找來，去看一看可以杜絕或者加強查驗的機制有沒有，道高一尺、魔高一丈，不能只是他們一直在進步，我們留在原地嘛！","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:44:38.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:44:46.207000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分會後讓我知道一下，就這個案子我們有沒有跟兩方談一談怎麼樣加強這個機制、怎麼樣防堵？","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:44:46.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:44:50.508000+08:00","text":"看到這次的漏洞，做為下一次不要再發生，這樣OK嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:44:50.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:44:52.448000+08:00","text":"這個沒問題，跟委員說明一下……多久？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:44:53.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:45:06.851000+08:00","text":"資安的特性是漏洞發現以後，就是zero-day vulnerability，漏洞發現以後我們把它堵住，事實上就不會再發生了，像這兩個案子其實就堵住了，但是它會尋找新的漏洞，而不是舊的漏洞再……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:45:06.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:45:11.012000+08:00","text":"這個我當然知道，這又是另外一個議題，我的意思是如果連這個都堵不住就不好看了！","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:45:11.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:45:11.552000+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:45:12.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:45:14.553000+08:00","text":"我們在最短的時間之內，事情還沒有擴散我們就已經通知兩個業者把它堵住了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:45:14.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:45:15.594000+08:00","text":"一個禮拜之內針對這個案子發現的漏洞，目前怎麼去加強，給我一個資料，好不好？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:45:15.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:45:15.754000+08:00","text":"沒有問題！好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:45:16.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:46:26.960000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛講的是LINE跟台灣大哥大的部分，目前看起來電信業者並沒有提出任何補償作為，部長，我在這裡提醒您，您可能也要提醒一下，在台灣大哥大的部分，依據現在個資保護法第二十八條、第二十九條，大家可以去看一看，第二十八條有規定「被害人雖非財產上之損害，亦得請求賠償相當之金額」；同時還規定「如被害人不易或不能證明其實際損害額時，得請求法院依侵害情節，以每人每一事件新臺幣五百元以上二萬元以下計算」，我是把這個法規提供給你們，你們跟平臺及電信業者在談的時候，也要讓他們知道，今天是因為有很多的民眾……我們現在呼籲民眾，如果受害了，應該要站出來講，很多民眾可能不知道自己有這個權益，我認為數發部也有責任把這樣的訊息弄出去，好不好？","quality":0.745},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:46:27.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:46:50.127000+08:00","text":"接下來，我想再談一件事情，我們一直在談海底電纜韌性的加強，可是本席看到數發部昨天有公布114年臺灣海底通訊電纜損害的原因，其中有提到臺灣的海纜斷線次數，去年、前年大概都是7次左右，這個數據是正確的嗎？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:46:50.127000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:46:52.549000+08:00","text":"是，是正確的。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:46:52.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:47:27.209000+08:00","text":"你們發布的應該是正確的嘛，但是本席又看到數發部轄下的台灣網路資訊中心的黃勝雄董事長在接受您剛剛所說很有公信力的台灣事實查核中心的網路節目時有說到，全球現在約有500條的海底電纜，每條平均每年斷線是0.1次到0.2次，換言之，可能就是每十年有一次會斷的機率，可是臺灣國內的海纜，尤其是臺馬這一條，平均斷纜的比例是一年一條海纜大概5到6次……是。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:47:30.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:47:33.352000+08:00","text":"我們就談臺馬海纜就好，大概有三條，沒有錯嘛？是。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:47:34.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:47:41.834000+08:00","text":"如果按照這個比例來算的話，每一年的斷纜次數大概就在15次左右。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:47:44.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:47:46.436000+08:00","text":"數發部自己給我的資訊顯示，113年跟114年國內的海纜斷線都是4次，但事實上光臺馬算起來就已經15次了，到底這個落差是為什麼？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:47:46.436000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:47:55.698000+08:00","text":"請你說明一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:47:55.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:48:00.603000+08:00","text":"我想這個落差主要是在於24海里之內還是24海里之外，這個是不是請我們韌性司司長來說明？","quality":0.73},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:48:00.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:48:02.064000+08:00","text":"不、不、不！","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:48:02.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:48:07.409000+08:00","text":"這個不管是24海里之內還是24海里之外，我覺得數發部在公布的時候就要說清楚嘛！有啊！","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:48:07.409000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:48:08.409000+08:00","text":"我們有說清楚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:48:07.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:48:16.999000+08:00","text":"本席今天所有質詢的東西都是從你們的資料來講的嘛，你看你自己發布的是4次，但是落差其實是非常大的，不是嗎？","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"牛司長信仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:48:17.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:48:35.911000+08:00","text":"是，跟委員報告，基本上，臺馬海纜自數發部成立以來，到目前為止、到今年3月總共斷了21次，今年斷了2次，所以意味著有19次是歷來就發生；以全國來講，大概是三十幾次，所以馬祖海纜確實斷纜頻率偏高。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"牛司長信仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:48:36.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:48:46.498000+08:00","text":"第二個要跟委員報告的是，基本上，國際海纜在做評估的時候會有不同的資訊，以ITU的資訊來說，目前500根裡頭，每年發生次數是200次以上。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:48:47.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:48:58.409000+08:00","text":"好，我理解，而且這個背景我也知道，所以我是建議數發部，在公布相關次數的時候，背景條件的基礎是在哪個地方，我覺得要講清楚……","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:48:58.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:48:59.070000+08:00","text":"是，沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:48:59.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:06.817000+08:00","text":"否則在我們看起來，如果你連海纜斷線次數的落差都那麼大，數據都弄不清楚，何來談韌性？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:06.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:08.779000+08:00","text":"有啦，我們有講得很清楚。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"牛司長信仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:09.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:10.264000+08:00","text":"報告委員，確實如此……","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:10.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:13.267000+08:00","text":"可能你自己很清楚啦，但是你公布的是不清楚的。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"牛司長信仁","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:14.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:17.411000+08:00","text":"確實，委員講的這件事是一個……我們為什麼要公布這個報告的原因……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:17.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:18.171000+08:00","text":"這樣子好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:18.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:25.819000+08:00","text":"你在今天會後就給我一份你認為最正確的資料，再補一份上來。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:25.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:28.702000+08:00","text":"最後，我想再一分鐘的時間，您剛剛說到我們現在有一個數位憑證皮夾app嘛，對不對？是。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:28.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:36.048000+08:00","text":"我覺得很棒，這是一個很好的構想，也是一個好的行動。謝謝。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:36.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:50.581000+08:00","text":"我看到你的網站上介紹說，不管是超商取貨、還是辦理政府業務，拿出手機點一點就搞定啦，使用數位憑證皮夾辦理政府業務的時候，只需要攜帶手機，不需要一些繁瑣的證件手續，對嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:50.581000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:51.581000+08:00","text":"是，這是我們的願景，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:50.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:53.623000+08:00","text":"好，那我請教一下，現在哪一些政府業務可以辦理？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:55.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:58.368000+08:00","text":"因為我們才剛剛推出，我們現在就是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:58.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:49:58.988000+08:00","text":"哪一些？","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:49:59.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:00.409000+08:00","text":"現在可以辦理哪一些政府業務？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:00.409000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:07.533000+08:00","text":"現在政府業務的部分，我請司長來說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊司長盈志","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:07.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:07.533000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:07.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:09.895000+08:00","text":"直接報告是哪一些政府業務。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"莊司長盈志","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:09.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:19.501000+08:00","text":"目前我們可以用的部分包含公路局的駕照，駕照相關的應用，後續在4月底會有工商憑證，也就是公司行號申設登記。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:19.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:21.423000+08:00","text":"沒有，我就說目前嘛，如果我今天等一下要辦的話，可以辦哪一些嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:22.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:35.272000+08:00","text":"我來跟委員報告，政府的角色主要是發證，然後應用的話，我們現在是民間應用，譬如說我用政府發的駕照去民間租車，所以就是說直接政府的應用上面，我們目前還沒有……","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:35.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:39.274000+08:00","text":"部長，我建議你的網站要去修正啦，不要在這邊胡說八道了……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:39.274000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:41.336000+08:00","text":"我沒有胡說八道！","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:41.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:51.402000+08:00","text":"本席剛剛就上網去看過，快速授權列表就是兩個，看是要去全家便利商店包裹取貨還是統一超商包裹取貨，沒有別的功能了，沒有啊！","quality":0.574},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:51.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:52.362000+08:00","text":"我剛剛要質詢你之前才看過嘛！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:52.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:53.183000+08:00","text":"我剛剛業務報告的時候也說明了，我們接下來馬上會有臺大、成大、交大的學生證跟畢業證書，然後畢業生去……","quality":0.477},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:53.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:53.723000+08:00","text":"我知道，我同意嘛，所以部長，我再重申一次，你這個數位憑證皮夾我覺得很好……","quality":0.645},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:53.723000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:54.723000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:53.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:54.723000+08:00","text":"但是我覺得身為數發部，你最主要的功能，我們現在都認為是打詐嘛，但不能左手打詐，右手又邊詐騙啊！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:54.723000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:50:55.723000+08:00","text":"沒有啊！這個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:50:54.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:25.456000+08:00","text":"你現在就還沒有做到嘛，還沒有做到的事情就不要好大喜功拿來寫，這樣民眾上去看了以後會失望，會對政府失望，明明說可以辦很多政府業務，結果他們一上去看，什麼都不能辦，只能去取貨。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:25.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:34.242000+08:00","text":"我建議你啦，如果是後面才可以執行的部分，就不要在這上面把它寫出來，這是另外詐騙的一種啦，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:34.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:38.385000+08:00","text":"如果說有詐騙的話，麻煩委員就明確講出來哪一句話不對……","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:38.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:39.947000+08:00","text":"我已經講出來了，你是聽不懂喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:39.947000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:40.947000+08:00","text":"哪一句話嘛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:40.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:48.135000+08:00","text":"我講得這麼清楚，你說辦理政府業務，但你現在又說政府業務要後面啊，馬上要怎麼樣連結啊，就還沒有嘛！","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:48.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:55.603000+08:00","text":"本席是好意提醒你，這個app做法很好，但是還沒有做到的就不要好大喜功，對民眾來講，這就是一種欺騙，好不好？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:51:55.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:51:55.803000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分請你嚴謹啦！是。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:00.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:16.735000+08:00","text":"最後，現在各部會有推出一些文化幣、運動幣、客家幣等等，我希望部長能夠跟其他部會的部長去研究一下，能不能把它整合起來，不要一種數位幣就一個app，這樣對各機關是成本浪費，也很麻煩，這個部分研究一下，好不好？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:17.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:19.476000+08:00","text":"是，現在客家幣已經使用我們的共用平臺，我們希望……","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:19.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:21.277000+08:00","text":"所以已經有開始了？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:21.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:23.718000+08:00","text":"好，那文化幣、運動幣也拜託，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:23.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:25.639000+08:00","text":"了解看看有沒有可能可以整合一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:26.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:43.853000+08:00","text":"是，他們已經launch了，所以這個時候要拿回來再改的話比較麻煩，但是如果政府其他部會有新的這種幣要發行的話，我們也都跟各個部會去溝通，希望他們儘量利用數發部所開發的這個發放共用平臺。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:43.853000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:44.934000+08:00","text":"好，OK。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:44.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:47.696000+08:00","text":"普發現金事實上也是利用這個發放共用平臺去發放的。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:47.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:48.016000+08:00","text":"好，OK，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:48.516000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:52.516000+08:00","text":"謝謝萬美玲委員發言，也謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T09:52:52.816000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T09:52:55.958857+08:00","text":"接下來請李昆澤委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}