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理解那我最後這邊我想特別針對CPTPP這部分因為之前經貿談判辦公室閻惠欣副總談判代表的時候這事情我們大家都非常的難過不過因為他特別提到了針對CPTPP這邊的時候政府對這部分的一個消極跟敷衍然後卓院長也確實也"},{"start":414.193,"end":427.282,"text":"不諱言的表示過去一年我們對這部分確實沒有特別的一個著力所以卓院長也特別在3月27號的時候表示接下來定定CPTPP的一個目標時程我想請問一下執密跟部長我們目前這個針對CPTPP的一個目標時程定下來了沒有"},{"start":437.776,"end":448.736,"text":"像委員報告我們都配合院里長官的要求那我們會做全面的盤點然後具體的目標時程定下來了沒有有沒有進一步的內容"},{"start":450.731,"end":467.743,"text":"因為相關的工作還在進行當中請大概什麼時候可以給本席一個很具體的內容到本席辦公室來做一個說明 好不好是那另外一個部分 因為我們看到了就是台灣在整個"},{"start":468.624,"end":483.827,"text":"ECA跟FTA的一個入口網站當中我們看到台灣的一個貿易夥伴確實是少的卻不太夠那麼我覺得目前有幾個不同的做法我們對於有一些mini deals的部分一些比較零散式的一個協議"},{"start":484.708,"end":513.327,"text":"可以來彌補這樣的一個不足因為要進入到一個國際組織相關的部分我知道台灣有它現階段的一些難處那我們要怎麼樣透過一些mini deals的部分的時候來解決這個問題包括我們之前跟台美21世貿易倡議大概都是屬於類似的一個狀態還有包括台日的一個數位貿易協議還有台加投資促進及保障協議都算是這樣的一個mini deals的部分我想請教一下目前台灣"},{"start":515.088,"end":542.22,"text":"還有哪些正在進行當中要鎖定哪些國家哪些的議題是我們現在正在積極處理的mini deals的部分嗎可以請執秘這邊特別做個說明是 向委員報告就是說這些相關的經貿協議行政經貿談判辦公室都是跟相關部會一起在推動那至於說目前在進行談判中的deal"},{"start":543.1,"end":562.605,"text":"因為我們國際情勢的關係那我們的對手國通常都不希望我們在簽署之前理解 我在想說為什麼我特別提到這部分就是說我們要真正加入一些相關的經貿基金組織不容易所以我們希望針對這個部分能夠對於我們的產業有一些很具體的幫忙"},{"start":564.085,"end":580.864,"text":"那我們也像經濟部這邊的時候跟金華談判公司這邊能夠盡量的更合作的時候能夠讓產業從這個部分來解決現在的問題因為目前整個我們東亞的相關的國家在這個部分他們都很積極都跑得很快那我不希望台灣在這邊遠離踏步好不好好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:39.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:40.791000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我想請經濟部龔明鑫部長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:41.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:43.352000+08:00","text":"請龔部長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:43.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:44.833000+08:00","text":"還有中油的方振仁董事長。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:45.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:47.554000+08:00","text":"請方董事長。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:47.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:50.135000+08:00","text":"經貿談判辦公室的徐崇欽執行秘書，謝謝。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:50.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:51.775000+08:00","text":"鄭委員早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:53.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:13:53.756000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:13:56.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:02.940000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席今天安排跟能源有關的部分，我想先針對中油的部分。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:04.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:14.367000+08:00","text":"我們目前油電大概都先凍，我想對民生來講，凍當然是一件好事，不過對整個政策來講可能就不一定是這樣子了。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:15.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:27.015000+08:00","text":"我們看到中油109年到113年政策性補貼油價，整個金額高達5,786億元，非常、非常地多，為什麼會這樣？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:27.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:32.059000+08:00","text":"相信有很多部分都是因為油價的補貼政策所導致。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:32.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:40.126000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下部長，114年政策性補貼大概會有多少金額？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:48.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:49.478000+08:00","text":"2025年沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:50.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:50.739000+08:00","text":"都沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:50.739000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:52.260000+08:00","text":"沒有政策補貼。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:52.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:14:53.120000+08:00","text":"所以114年完全沒有補貼嘛！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:14:53.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:15:02.126000+08:00","text":"OK，我在想114年的整個政策性負擔是0，這是一件好事。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:15:03.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:15:26.565000+08:00","text":"我們再看一下中油的營業外費用，中油114年的營業外費用預算數是195.66億，整個決算數是308億，整個相差112.34億，其實非常地高，將近快要是六成的差額了。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:15:28.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:15:36.851000+08:00","text":"當有這麼多營業外費用的時候，我們看它整個營業外的結構，在資產減損這邊是最主要的一個部分。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:15:37.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:15:46.037000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下部長或者是董事長，這個資產減損的部分主要是用在什麼地方，為什麼會有這麼高的金額？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:15:46.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:03.534000+08:00","text":"就以114年來講，這個油價是從高點往低點落，我們在國外有一些礦區，它有一些油氣權益，到年底的時候要重新去評估它的資產，所以相對來講就做了一個資產的減損。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:05.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:10.918000+08:00","text":"所以資產減損的部分是因為就對外投資整個結算之後的一個結果對不對？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:10.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:17.202000+08:00","text":"不是，就是地底下的油跟氣，那個還沒有拿出來，是那個部分的資產有減損。理解。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:17.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:17.502000+08:00","text":"大概減損一百多億這樣。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:20.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:22.587000+08:00","text":"有一百多億是在這個部分嘛，理解。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:23.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:32.879000+08:00","text":"我接下來想問一下有關阿拉斯加的部分，我想要怎樣讓中油這邊的體質更健全是很重要的。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:33.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:43.010000+08:00","text":"董事長剛剛有提到，大概到119年希望整個投資的部分能夠占到10%，但目前都沒有到嘛！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:43.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:16:56.662000+08:00","text":"我特別關注阿拉斯加這個部分，針對阿拉斯加這個部分，董事長剛剛是特別提到我們對於要不要投資阿拉斯加、投資多少錢都還沒有具體的東西出來，對不對？對。OK。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:16:58.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:17:07.638000+08:00","text":"可是我看到基本上中油對於阿拉斯加這個部分已經有一個預估，未來會從這邊採購每年600萬噸，這個數字是怎麼來的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:17:13.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:17:22.009000+08:00","text":"報告委員，首先我說明一下，剛剛邱委員質詢有關10%的部分，那個是指礦產的10%。理解。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:17:23.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:17:26.994000+08:00","text":"阿拉斯加投資案跟這個礦產沒有關係。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:17:27.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:17:32.798000+08:00","text":"OK，投資阿拉斯加是投資油管的部分嗎？對。理解。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:17:34.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:17:46.925000+08:00","text":"我想問的狀態……為什麼會問到這個部分，是因為中東這個事情讓我們看到我們的天然氣、油源其實需要更多元化，就與我們的能源政策也必須要多元化是一樣的道理。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:17:48.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:17:59.855000+08:00","text":"部長之前有特別提到，我們目前對美國採購的天然氣大概是14%到15%，我們到2032年的時候希望能夠提高到27%，這是天然氣的部分。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:00.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:18:06.520000+08:00","text":"至於油的部分，我們有沒有一個怎麼多元化地去做重新配比的政策？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:09.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:18:18.088000+08:00","text":"報告委員，目前我們跟美國採購的LNG是10%。10%？10%。OK。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:21.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:18:38.977000+08:00","text":"因為中東這個情勢我想大家也了解，它確實產生了一些影響，所以對於LNG進口的整體布局，中油公司必須要重新慎重地思考，當然對美國採購LNG變成是我們主要考慮的一個對象，預估到2029年，我們希望占比能夠達到大概25%的一個……","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:38.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:18:49.837000+08:00","text":"從美國採購LNG到25%？是。OK。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:50.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:18:55.639000+08:00","text":"對於阿拉斯加這個案子，目前的進度大概是到哪裡？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:18:55.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:04.401000+08:00","text":"臺灣確定會去投阿拉斯加的油管，採購他們的油源，這個政策是確定的，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:07.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:16.812000+08:00","text":"阿拉斯加這個案子就是從去年3月20號所謂的MOU可以看出來，主要是兩項，一個是採購LNG，一個是投資。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:16.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:40.627000+08:00","text":"採購LNG的部分是列在ART裡面，目前美方安排的進度是希望在今年年底以前雙方能夠把這個採購前約談定，希望在年底以前把它談定。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:40.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:49.352000+08:00","text":"所以今年年底以前阿拉斯加這個案子會確定，然後臺灣確實也有這個意願在談這些細節，對不對？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:49.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:50.712000+08:00","text":"我講的是採購案。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:51.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:54.234000+08:00","text":"現在是在談一些主要的條款。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:54.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:55.094000+08:00","text":"OK，理解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:19:56.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:19:59.918000+08:00","text":"最後，我想特別針對CPTPP這個部分。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:20:02.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:20:31.960000+08:00","text":"對於之前經貿談判辦公室顏慧欣副總談判代表的事情，我們大家都非常難過，不過因為他特別提到政府對CPTPP這個部分的消極和敷衍，卓院長也確實不諱言的表示，過去一年，我們對這個部分確實沒有特別著力，所以卓院長也特別在3月27日表示，接下來要訂定CPTPP的目標時程。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:20:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:20:34.262000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下執秘和部長，我們目前針對CPTPP的目標時程訂下來了沒有？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-04-08T10:20:44.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:20:50.186000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，我們都配合院裡長官的要求，我們會做全面的盤點。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:20:52.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:20:54.313000+08:00","text":"具體的目標時程訂下來了沒有？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:20:54.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:20:55.716000+08:00","text":"有沒有進一步的內容？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-04-08T10:20:57.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:20:59.532000+08:00","text":"因為相關的工作還在進行當中……OK。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:21:02.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:21:09.480000+08:00","text":"大概什麼時候可以給本席一個很具體的內容，到本席辦公室來做一個說明，好不好？是。OK。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","start":"2026-04-08T10:21:10.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:21:44.797000+08:00","text":"另外一個部分，因為在臺灣ECA/FTA總入口網站當中，我們看到臺灣的貿易夥伴確實是少的，就不太夠，我覺得目前有幾個不同的做法，我們有一些Mini-Deals的部分、一些比較零散式的協議可以來彌補這樣的不足，因為要進入相關的國際組織，我知道臺灣現階段有一些難處，那我們要怎麼樣透過一些Mini-Deals的部分來解決這個問題？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"鄭委員正鈐","star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