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這部分其實是我們要仰賴那個屏東縣政府因為他們最了解當地的狀況那我們一定會讓那些居民能夠接受因為一定要比他們現在可能居住的地方更好那覺得不會影響到他的那個生計對這個文化的融入等等我們一定會希望能夠周全的考慮那屏東縣政府正在積極的跟我們一起合作"},{"start":437.174,"end":465.583,"text":"那現在其實我們是12月20號是第二次的公聽會然後是嗎還是會持續我們還是會持續持續到溝通到最完整的一個狀況對不對那實際的可以發射的時間點是什麼時候我可以問一下嗎因為我們很怕說我衛星做好了場域還在公聽會還在環評還在跟當地溝通可能還沒有共識我們當地的社宅可能也還沒有處理好"},{"start":467.571,"end":485.564,"text":"我們原來的規劃是10年內最快就是2030年希望能夠快一點但是也要看看溝通的狀況等等我們不會很粗糙的去進行一定會好好的溝通有沒有第三次公聽會預計的時間"},{"start":487.865,"end":510.078,"text":"目前是新辦事業的那個就是兩次那我們還是持續的在溝通當中我們兩個月其實會跟屏東縣府再做一次工作層次的討論好因為今天時間的關係其實我還有第三題就是我們的這個AI戰略落地的一個檢討那這個部分其實我們到時候看是請這個主委我們再用資料書面上的一個這個網版"},{"start":512.8,"end":515.321,"text":"来知道落地的一些关键的问题"},{"start":544.264,"end":547.872,"text":"好谢谢郭委员的询答谢谢诸位"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:40:43+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:40:44+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:40:44+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:40:45+08:00","text":"有請主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:40:45+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:40:46+08:00","text":"郭委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:40:44.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:40:44.990000+08:00","text":"主委早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:40:45.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:40:56.033000+08:00","text":"我想先問一下關於學術倫理的問題，剛剛培瑜委員也已經問過，但這也同時是我們一起共同都在關心的問題。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:40:56.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:41:11.828000+08:00","text":"近期臺中科大的陳校長涉及學術倫理的一些爭議，目前為止，其實教育部還沒有提出要調查或者是其他一些後續，反而是我看到國科會的調查動作已經開始啟動了。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:41:11.828000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:41:12.909000+08:00","text":"我們已經啟動調查程序了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:41:12.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:41:14.872000+08:00","text":"這一點給國科會一個肯定。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:41:16.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:41:35.224000+08:00","text":"我想他的爭議就是疑似一稿兩投，之前向國科會申請學術研究補助，大概將近有六百多萬，同時還跟中國也申請同樣的經費補助。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:41:36.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:41:45.348000+08:00","text":"另外在論文的標註，這是我們非常在意的部分，他特別自稱是安徽霍邱人，在論文也寫了「Taiwan, China」。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:41:45.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:41:47.150000+08:00","text":"雖然陳校長他們透過校方的公開說明說他不知情，這件事情是有人刻意要抹黑，但是你們已經啟動調查，目前我所知道的是你們已經在進行初審的部分了，對不對？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:06.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:11.314000+08:00","text":"是，我們已經啟動調查程序，會查證這個事。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:12.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:14.756000+08:00","text":"初審的部分已經完成了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:15.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:16.216000+08:00","text":"複審什麼時候會進來？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:16.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:18.898000+08:00","text":"還沒有，現在學校在進行當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:19.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:20.139000+08:00","text":"還在進行當中？對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:20.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:26.503000+08:00","text":"有沒有預計什麼時候會完成，或者是複審的部分什麼時候會有一個比較確定的時程？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:27.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:34.227000+08:00","text":"我們預計4月底學校要調查完畢回函。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:36.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:43.632000+08:00","text":"如果這個調查屬實，之前他所申請的研究補助，你們會追回嗎？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:43.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:46.454000+08:00","text":"還是你們也會有後續其他的一些處分？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:42:46.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:42:58.118000+08:00","text":"後續會依照我們倫理委員會審議的結果，我們看情節的輕重及事實來決定懲處的部分。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:43:00.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:43:32.922000+08:00","text":"好，這個其實也凸顯這些補助不管是重複申請也好，或者跨國審查的困難度，我想也凸顯了這樣的問題，將來國科會要如何勾稽而不是只有靠檢舉，因為這次的事件是因為檢舉，媒體披露，然後國科會介入調查，教育部目前還沒有回應，之後比方說像跨國的期刊或補助資料的比對機制，有沒有想過這個部分你們可能要做研議及改進？","quality":0.669},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:43:33.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:43:47.500000+08:00","text":"我們可以研議看看有沒有更好的工具讓國科會在這類事情發生的時候，不需要等待檢舉，我們就可以察覺這樣的問題。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:43:47.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:43:59.929000+08:00","text":"其實應該要同步趕快先來補救，因為這件事情發生，同樣的，之後也許還會有第二件，這個部分其實如果你們的機制能夠早點出來的話，也可以防止這樣的問題產生、爭議產生。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:44:03.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:44:17.934000+08:00","text":"接下來我想問一下關於國家發射場的選址，目前你們已經確定在屏東滿州的九棚村，我也看了大概是去年12月20號的第二場公聽會。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:44:19.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:44:42.863000+08:00","text":"針對選址的部分，我還是想要請教一下主委，報告中其實有特別提到，預計每年觀光效益會高達6萬人，這個是我們在報告當中有看到，另外會帶動地方的產業發展，創造120個間接或直接與太空相關的就業機會。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:44:42.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:44:53.268000+08:00","text":"但是我想請教的就是，這個報告當中剛剛我提到的三項正面效果是模型推估，還是你們已經有實證數據？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:44:54.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:45:28.403000+08:00","text":"因為我們知道當地人口只有378人而已，近十年來的人口成長率是負的，是-2.07%，這樣的衝擊其實不只是發展的機會，也會對他們當地的生活產生巨大的衝擊及改變，這個部分到底是模型推估，還是有實證可以證明之後會有6萬人觀光、120個間接或直接的工作機會提供，然後帶動地方產業，請教。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:45:28.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:07.028000+08:00","text":"這個是依照過去我們觀察在美國、日本類似的建設所帶動的一些效益，也不是我們憑空臆測，再加上我們的規劃將來是要搭配很多活動，也不是只有偶爾才會發生的發射，所以我們要建置太空科技博物館，也希望跟當地的旅遊、生態及相關的文化活動等做結合，屏東縣政府也利用這個機會，把當地發展做了非常完善的規劃，所以我們希望能夠朝這個目標前進。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:08.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:18.274000+08:00","text":"但是我看到12月20日的那份報告，我自己有一個感想是，我們對於所謂居民的影響評估，到底有沒有確實？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:18.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:19.194000+08:00","text":"足不足夠？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:19.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:19.895000+08:00","text":"為什麼呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:19.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:25.998000+08:00","text":"因為報告當中，我們看到發射期間要進行海域跟陸域管制，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:27.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:41.669000+08:00","text":"再來，也可能會影響到漁撈跟經濟活動，還有要用補償跟回饋的機制，其實這個補償跟回饋是去交換他們居民原本的日常生活嗎？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:44.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:47:10.929000+08:00","text":"那個發射期間其實是很短暫的，所以管制的期間很短，這跟現在我們的演習等等比起來，其實還要短得多，但是我們相對的會對當地造成額外的經濟繁榮，其實是遠高於他們在短暫時間所損失的漁獲等等，整體效益應該會大得多，這當然我們都會跟他們溝通看看用什麼樣的方式……","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴"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