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就是"},{"start":532.495,"end":561.077,"text":"包括這個公司他一定絕對不可能再有機會標政府的標案但是公司的負責人或者是重要因為像這樣的公司他可能不會只有負責人有時候甚至於負責人可能都只是掛名負責人那麼包括他可能涉案的程序未來這樣的人他如果說還要繼續開公司甚至於是借殼上市然後借屍還魂等等其實他都沒有機會來標政府的標案而且不是只有機敏的"},{"start":561.497,"end":589.578,"text":"我認為他來標政府的標案就是用人民的納稅錢然後讓這些共諜可以自由的行走在台灣事實上我們局裡面是有比其他政府單位更嚴格的一套機制那也謝謝委員的提醒我們也先從我們國安情報機關開始把我們局裡面的做法給各單位來做個參考針對這些比較為異常的廠商來加強把關避免他們來承攬相關的發報的業務謝謝委員提醒謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:44:42.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:44:43.652000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請蔡局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:44:43.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:44:43.672000+08:00","text":"請局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T10:44:51.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:44:52.476000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，林委員早。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:44:53.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:44:54.218000+08:00","text":"局長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:44:56.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:45:13.897000+08:00","text":"我今天想質詢的內容跟題目其實也不是新的，因為之前我在質詢國防部的時候有提過，就是徐春鶯案，這個案子昨天也開庭了，雖然根據起訴書是看不出來的，但是開庭的相關內容有部分的時間點，包括到2025年10月孫憲這個人都還有進入臺灣。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:45:13.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:45:18.578000+08:00","text":"我不講個案，但想要請問一個通案的狀況，我們知道現在中國人進來臺灣，尤其像孫憲這種具有特殊身分，可能帶有特殊任務的，其實移民署是會審查的，可是我們也發現，到2025年10月他都還有進來臺灣。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:45:18.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:45:58.222000+08:00","text":"最近我也收到了許多朋友的提醒，包括有中國的網紅穿著所謂中國的古裝到全世界，甚至進來臺灣，不斷宣傳臺灣是中國的一部分，像這樣的網紅為什麼可以自由進出臺灣？","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:45:58.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:45:59.543000+08:00","text":"到底是用一個什麼樣的身分進來？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:00.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:13.252000+08:00","text":"是不是用所謂的假商務交流，但實質上是在做統戰，甚至已經在進行像孫憲這種所謂滲透的實質任務？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:14.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:25.098000+08:00","text":"根據我們現在的兩岸人民關係條例，如果你要進來的話，必須要經過審查，而這個審查只是要給一個切結書，是不是這個切結書現在都流於形式？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:25.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:35.262000+08:00","text":"是不是這些所謂商業的公司都變成了匪諜真的就在你我的身邊，而且他們是假商務之名，但行滲透之實？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:36.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:39.904000+08:00","text":"現在國安局是否有發現這樣一個狀況？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:40.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:46.587000+08:00","text":"所以是不是要加嚴，又或者像什麼樣的特殊人物，能在這個審查中不至於流於一種形式主義？","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:47.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:46:51.958000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明一下，也謝謝委員長期對於國安、共諜案件的關切。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T10:46:53.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:47:13.268000+08:00","text":"我剛才也跟媒體朋友說明了，現在在媒體上看到的所有共諜案，我可以跟委員報告，全部都是由我們國安系統來發動、來立案查察的，若有涉及違法事證的話，我們會再繫檢，移交給司法單位來做偵辦，後續才會有委員所看到的起訴書相關內容。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T10:47:14.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:47:17.812000+08:00","text":"不就個案來講，就通案來講，這是我們一個處理的過程，這是第一部分。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T10:47:18.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:47:32.659000+08:00","text":"第二部分，委員關切到一些陸籍人士到臺灣來相關審查機制運作的狀況，我們大概都有一個聯審的機制，在場的移民署也都會通報到國安局這邊來，由我們提供相關國安意見。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T10:47:33.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:48:03.571000+08:00","text":"我們會注意的是申請人相關的黨政背景，或者是他也許沒有黨政背景，但他可能有網紅的身分，以前在網路上曾經張貼比較異常的資訊，這些我們都有在注意，有時候讓他們進來是必要的，我們才能夠了解他們大概的活動跟交往的狀況，所以有些案子我們整個過程的處理可能都要滿長的時間，有的甚至可能都要幾年的時間。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:48:04.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:48:11.533000+08:00","text":"所以局長的意思就是說，其實有的時候讓他們進來是所謂的放長線、釣大魚，就是這個意思，對不對？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T10:48:11.533000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:48:12.533000+08:00","text":"這是我們查察的方法之一。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:48:11.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:48:21.980000+08:00","text":"就是你們查察的方法跟了解，有的時候是懷疑，但是也會做安全上面必要的防護、了解。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T10:48:22+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:48:32.587000+08:00","text":"對，然後另外會有兩個狀況，第一個狀況是，假如他進來之後的活動跟他申請來臺的目的不一樣，我們會啟動相關的機制即時驅離出境。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T10:48:33.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:48:50.456000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，假如他來臺的活動涉及異常的話，我記得應該是在前年有啟動一個機制，就是我們會進行必要的約談，也會將其列入我們的名單，下次要來可能比較沒有那麼容易，但我們會配合相關的案情、案況來判斷要不要讓他來，因為這會影響到我們的一些部署。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員楚茵","start":"2026-04-08T10:48:50.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":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