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Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:54:36.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:55:14.511000+08:00","text":"你的報告裡面也有提到液化天然氣也要增加，每年希望增加購買，這樣的情形下，我就很納悶，你們等一下可以說明，因為按照中油公司汽柴油價格的這些指標油價，70%杜拜、30%布蘭特，對不對？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:55:14.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:56:06.518000+08:00","text":"這是你們價格調幅的依據，你們是用這樣的價格出售給我們的人民，但是事實上你可以增加購買美國的油，你增加購買他更喜歡，這樣的情形下，你買了比較便宜的油，然後你賣出去是按照你原來的指標油價，70%杜拜、30%布蘭特（每桶美元），這應該是你受益，因為收了更多，那為什麼還會有虧損？","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:56:07.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:56:09.059000+08:00","text":"董事長要不要說明一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:56:10.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:56:41.778000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，跟委員報告，其實所謂D跟B之間的關係忽高忽低，這個公式本身是算漲幅，而不是算絕對值，所以對於有關D跟B的比例這個議題，我們也尊重委員以及社會大眾的意見，我們會再做重新檢討，對於七D三B的比例要不要去調整，這部分我們會請第三機關幫我們做個檢視。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:56:47.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:56:51.629000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有預估的期限？半年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:56:52.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:56:52.210000+08:00","text":"好，半年。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:56:52.210000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:56:53.470000+08:00","text":"至於有沒有提……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:56:53.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:57:02.733000+08:00","text":"所以還可以多漲半年，可以買比較便宜的油，然後多賣一點給人民。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:57:02.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:57:05.314000+08:00","text":"報告委員，可不可以讓我說明一下？","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:57:05.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:57:06.494000+08:00","text":"你可以說明一下，為什麼還會虧損？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:57:06.494000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:57:13.268000+08:00","text":"主要原因是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-08T10:57:13.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:57:31.834000+08:00","text":"剛剛提到會不會對消費者來講多收，我想大家不要有這個疑慮，因為在整個機制裡面，這是算漲幅，第二個，我們也要求要亞鄰最低價，所以在亞鄰最低價等等機制裡面，事實上已經在這部分控管了。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:57:34.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:57:41.138000+08:00","text":"因為時間的關係，你再做比較詳細的說明，為什麼還會虧損？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:57:42.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:57:51.944000+08:00","text":"因為你買的時候比較便宜，賣的時候還漲價，為什麼還虧損？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:57:52.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:57:54.865000+08:00","text":"你再做詳細的書面說明。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:57:56.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:58:20.578000+08:00","text":"我們看經濟部的報告裡面提到因應國際情勢，訂了一個特別條例、特別預算，部長或是中油公司，是不是已經在特別預算裡面撥補了？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T10:58:22.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:58:34.929000+08:00","text":"現在行政院還在規劃當中，現在有三個部分，一個就是專案貸款來協助他，第二個就是預算的撥補，第三個是增資。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T10:58:35.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:58:44.918000+08:00","text":"預算的撥補到底要用什麼樣的情況，是要用特別預算還是什麼預算，可能行政院還有一些考量，但就是這三個方向。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-08T10:58:46.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:59:27.323000+08:00","text":"這要去積極跟行政院爭取，因為這個特別條例裡面特別提到，為因應國際情勢變化對我國經濟、產業、民生，這當然跟產業跟民生都有關係，符合特別條例第一條的規定，事實上，這個特別條例、特別預算在各部會之間都可以互相勻支，比一般公務預算來得方便，所以這部分要請經濟部為中油特別去加強協調，好不好？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-08T10:59:27.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T10:59:27.543000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員的建議。謝謝。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:59:28.043000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:59:30.043000+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭天財委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:59:30.343000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:59:32.628714+08:00","text":"我們休息5分鐘，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:59:32.928714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:59:34.071571+08:00","text":"休息（10時59分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:59:34.371571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:59:36.085857+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時5分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:59:36.385857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:59:38.100143+08:00","text":"現在繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T10:59:38.400143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T10:59:42.114429+08:00","text":"接下來我們請陳超明委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}