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我們一起加油照顧小孩照顧小孩是兩個都會有用但是我發現還是女生心事比較細膩我們要多給予一些關心但這方面我要講的是男性跟女性的計畫主持人通過率是差不多但這"},{"start":937.186,"end":955.682,"text":"這其實會掩蓋了一些生育對女性主持人她的科研的軌跡失職的影響也無法檢驗國科會的支持措施是否真正改善因生育中斷科研所造成的結構性處境所以我認為需要這樣子的一個數據"},{"start":957.826,"end":986.228,"text":"謝謝委員這一點我們以前沒有特別注意不過既然委員有提出來我覺得我們可以來研議一下所以最後我要講的是女性計畫主持人在生產後有沒有辦法銜接上一般性計畫剛剛你說0到3歲嘛對 她有沒有辦法銜接後續的追蹤是不是意味著國科會應該要既有的措施計畫再稍微修正一下或者在既有的措施外再能夠再多設計一些提出新的支持方案"},{"start":986.969,"end":997.76,"text":"政策工具這個部分您覺得重不重要好那重要了我非常謝謝委員的建議我們會把它納入好我最後30秒主委3月30日新聞報導"},{"start":1000.356,"end":1024.465,"text":"台灣高校心血斷層比日韓嚴重我想今天很多的委員也有人在關心整體30到39歲的青壯年教師占比明顯低於日韓顯示台灣高校心血斷層的一個程度比周邊國家更嚴重我們應該要好好的去認定這個問題有沒有一個相關的方法所以"},{"start":1025.445,"end":1042.27,"text":"今天我還有一個這樣的質詢但是時間已經有點多了那我想我希望說你應該有什麼樣的方式來因應我們國家人才被挖走的可能然後現在現在又還有人才不足的一個問題會後是不是能夠提供一些資料給我一些具體的方案"},{"start":1043.396,"end":1056.36,"text":"教師的部分我們會跟教育部一起合作來看看有沒有改善的方法不過現在人才斷層的確非常嚴重這個我同意這個委員的講法好我們應該關注是好我們一起加油謝謝謝謝謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:21:13.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:21:14.403000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請吳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:21:16.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:21:16.666000+08:00","text":"有請吳主委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:21:23.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:21:24.007000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:21:24.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:22:01.581000+08:00","text":"首先幾個問題先跟主委請教一下，我們今天的書面報告也特別寫到推動全民智慧生活圈，善用我國在全球半導體及資通訊產業的優勢，將AI從尖端科技的領域當中有效轉化，普及國民生活息息相關的面向，促進科技驅動整個社會的全面進步，交通、醫療、餐廚、製造為優先的示範生活領域，先請問一下主委，這四個領域的具體AI服務項目是什麼？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:22:03.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:22:41.097000+08:00","text":"我其實昨天才找交通部跟經濟部一起來討論，因為我們要推動智慧交通的話，就是中央部會跟地方政府要一起合作，在十字路口智慧化的監控，避免行人在路口因為駕駛的不小心，加上行人在斑馬線上有優先權，他就很放心的也不會去注意到可能有一些車輛會撞過來，這種東西如果有AI的監控、主動的警告，也許就可以避免這種不必要的傷亡事情發生。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:22:42.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:22:46.803000+08:00","text":"具體可以實際運用在交通上的部分，大概有沒有一個期程？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:22:48.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:22:50.389000+08:00","text":"我們希望今年就可以開始。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:22:50.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:22:53.372000+08:00","text":"因為智慧交通我們已經談論很久了。對。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:22:54.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:02.080000+08:00","text":"有一部分的細節已經在落實，但是能不能再廣泛地將新的智慧交通運用在交通上？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:02.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:06.604000+08:00","text":"我剛剛講的就是新的，就是因為路口的監控影像……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:06.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:07.165000+08:00","text":"我知道，所以我需要期程。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:08.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:12.228000+08:00","text":"期程是我們今年才要啟動，所以……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:12.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:14.690000+08:00","text":"啟動是實際去運用還是啟動……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:14.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:14.690000+08:00","text":"實際運用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:14.690000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:15.690000+08:00","text":"要講清楚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:15.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:17.972000+08:00","text":"不是研發。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:17.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:19.593000+08:00","text":"若只是啟動規劃、研發，我就擔心了啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:19.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:20.133000+08:00","text":"不是、不是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:20.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:29.018000+08:00","text":"因為我們臺中的製造業也是非常非常蓬勃，有關製造業AI這個部分的運用，可不可以跟我們說一下？","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:30.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:32.200000+08:00","text":"抱歉，請委員再問一次。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:32.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:35.632000+08:00","text":"我說製造業在臺中蓬勃發展。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:36.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:36.252000+08:00","text":"臺中嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:38.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:44.256000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，我們也很關切這個部分，AI的運用能夠幫助製造業的部分能不能幫我們說一下？","quality":0.514},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:44.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:23:55.021000+08:00","text":"在製造業，我們一直談的就是智慧製造，但是過去在智慧製造其實不會談到我們要用AI、用雲端的服務，因為通常製造業的資料都非常的寶貴。對。","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:23:56.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:24:19.791000+08:00","text":"但是未來我們發展的方向是，即使連製造業，我們都希望能夠發展AI的模型，因為小的公司沒有辦法自己去發展模型，自己去發展智慧製造的雲端服務系統，所以他要仰賴我們做主權AI，確保這個資料的安全性，他自己在訓練他的優化模型的時候，他的資料不必送出來。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:24:20.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:24:22.473000+08:00","text":"這個其實我們之前也談論過，就是希望……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:24:22.473000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:24:23.594000+08:00","text":"對，可是還沒有做，目前還沒有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:24:23.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:24:27.397000+08:00","text":"你們這個AI的部分還是要跟產業多溝通，產業的需求嘛！是、是。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:24:27.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:24:51.843000+08:00","text":"像我們看到有些公司對於他的資料庫非常謹慎，他可能就不希望運用雲端的部分，小的公司沒有辦法建置這樣子的大型成本的話，他可能就會覺得先使用雲端沒有關係，所以我覺得中小企業跟大型企業有一些分門別類，為他們來做客製化，這個部分能不能在未來一起納入呢？","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:24:53.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:05.314000+08:00","text":"有，這個策略其實已經存在了，今年在行政院科技顧問會議也有這樣的一個決議，其中的一項就是要幫這些中小型的企業……","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:05.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:05.494000+08:00","text":"來打造AI？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:08.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:12.156000+08:00","text":"來打造主權AI的模型，來協助他們將這個供應鏈把它串起來。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:13.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:30.024000+08:00","text":"好，當然剛剛也有委員提到AI部分目前的語料非常堪憂，但是我們對你有信心，也希望這個部分能夠再加強，趕緊能夠運用在這一個製造業上，但是你剛剛說目前還在研發當中，對不對？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:30.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:31.785000+08:00","text":"我是說幫助製造業的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:32.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:40.330000+08:00","text":"製造業的部分是主權AI的模型還要建立，但是各行各業的模型都需要。對啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:41.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:45.015000+08:00","text":"包含金融現在已經在做了，就是金管會，國科會協助他們……","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:46.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:48.660000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以幫忙製造業？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:51.383000+08:00","text":"製造業也是一樣，各行各業其實需求都不一樣。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:51.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:53.766000+08:00","text":"我知道，所以你正在建置當中嘛？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:54.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:55.930000+08:00","text":"對，但是我們希望召委……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:57.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:25:57.751000+08:00","text":"預算，我知道嘛！是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:25:58.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:05.136000+08:00","text":"但是你要給我一個期程，你也要有信心啊，你有信心，我們給你預算才可以啊，不要說我給了錢，結果你們做不到嘛！","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:05.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:18.406000+08:00","text":"因為我一直在講說你要跟產業來做溝通協調，我認為其實預算的審核就是立法委員最神聖的、我們該有的任務，但這也是我們跟你談判的籌碼。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:18.406000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:19.406000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:19.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:27.553000+08:00","text":"你要怎麼樣讓產業更好，要怎麼樣讓產業能夠得到預算直接的回饋，這你要答應我，我才會想想我下一步要怎麼做啊！","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:28.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:35.540000+08:00","text":"像我們在大健康領域、健康照護的部分，我們去年跟衛福部就啟動了，現在效果很好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:35.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:36.040000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:36.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:40.664000+08:00","text":"我們今年要啟動的就是智慧交通，希望智慧製造……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:40.664000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:41.664000+08:00","text":"智慧製造，我要講的是這個。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:41.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:46.028000+08:00","text":"如果預算通過的話，我們今年希望也可以開始啟動。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:46.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:47.669000+08:00","text":"後面你能夠啟動幾場跟產業再繼續溝通呢？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:51.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:52.442000+08:00","text":"我剛剛說產業的需求啊！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:52.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:26:55.064000+08:00","text":"我們跟產業的溝通其實隨時都在進行。好。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:26:56.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:01.769000+08:00","text":"國科會負責的是園區的產業，經濟部負責的是所有其他產業，我們是合作……","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:02.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:04.451000+08:00","text":"就是橫向聯繫這個部分。對。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:05.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:16.881000+08:00","text":"另外要跟你請教的就是，你有一個點亮全民科學火花，提升探究的實作體驗，也就是我們的科普列車串聯全島，對不對？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:16.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:18.842000+08:00","text":"我一直在講來到臺中嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:20.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:23.633000+08:00","text":"臺中還有科博館，是不是能夠多辦幾場？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:24.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:25.634000+08:00","text":"對啊，臺中這個部分呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:25.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:26.995000+08:00","text":"你還沒有給我……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:27.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:29.957000+08:00","text":"臺中我們去年還特別優待，都加了，在科博館啊！","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:30.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:34.419000+08:00","text":"我說今年啊，去年是去年，今年是今年啊！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:37.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:39.162000+08:00","text":"今年我們會在烏日，新烏日站。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:40.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:40.843000+08:00","text":"還有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:40.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:41.343000+08:00","text":"要不要加？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:41.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:41.663000+08:00","text":"可是我們預算……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:41.663000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:48.805000+08:00","text":"你要不要加？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:48.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:49.445000+08:00","text":"要加的話……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:49.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:53.227000+08:00","text":"你不是剛剛說希望我幫你預算，你現在不用給我一些幫忙？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:27:54.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:27:58.971000+08:00","text":"我幫你，你幫我，你幫我是幫我們臺中市，不是幫我個人，我不會去參加。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:28:01.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:28:05.733000+08:00","text":"好，我們儘量撙節預算多辦一場好了。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:28:06.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:28:15.604000+08:00","text":"我們是希望，其實有時候不只是多場次，孩子受惠的人數能夠增加，這也是我們的考量。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:28:15.604000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:28:16.604000+08:00","text":"我們也希望、我們也希望。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:28:15.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:28:30.336000+08:00","text":"因為畢竟你的東西提供的蠻不錯的，但是我們每次看人數有限，當然人數變多的時候有可能會影響到品質，我都知道，是不是能夠兼具到這樣子的一個平衡點，這是我今天要拜託的，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:28:30.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:28:31.877000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:28:31.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:29:08.702000+08:00","text":"再來，主委，國科會自2022年從科技部改制以來，一直針對專題研究的計畫審查制度進行調整，強調降低主持人過往績效的配分，提高研究計畫內容的重要性，我們現在期望促進學術創新並提升年輕學者的競爭機會，此一政策方向立意良善，但是本席關切的是制度調整以後，是否已經實質轉化為研究績效跟審查公平性的提升，而非只是制度的改變而已？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:29:09.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:29:14.567000+08:00","text":"改制前後，新進主持人的申請通過率有沒有提升？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:29:16.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:29:18.614000+08:00","text":"你說申請通過率？對啊。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:29:19.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:29:22.155000+08:00","text":"通過率跟這個無關，通過率是依照我們的預算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:29:24.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:29:27.557000+08:00","text":"我們現在也關心新進主持人五年內的部分。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:29:27.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:29:29.817000+08:00","text":"新進主持人？對啊！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:29:30.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:29:36.719000+08:00","text":"新進的研發人員他們提的計畫通過率是比較高的，我們是有特別優待。多高？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:29:39.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:29:40.827000+08:00","text":"新進的話，大概80%。80%？","quality":1},{"speaker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，我認為這很重要。對！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:17.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:20.343000+08:00","text":"這很重要，我也同意，所以我們會持續來關注這個。好。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:20.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:30.547000+08:00","text":"我想整個制度的調整，計畫平均產出是否有提升論文的品質，或者是技轉專利的結果是否具體量化，可以讓我們來檢視一下嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:32.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:40.132000+08:00","text":"我們當然是希望像委員講的，希望計畫的成果、價值及效率可以提升，這個是我們的目標。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:40.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:40.872000+08:00","text":"對，那是目標啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:41.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:51.319000+08:00","text":"我現在是講制度調整以後，整個計畫平均的產出，還有技術移轉、專利成果，有沒有目前的量化資料可以讓我們參考一下？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:51.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:52.980000+08:00","text":"量化資料可以給委員，這沒有問題。好、好！","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:54.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:55.242000+08:00","text":"你累囉！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:32:58.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:32:59.085000+08:00","text":"一個題目要講兩次喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:00.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:16.111000+08:00","text":"國科會在學門之間資源配置的差異方面，是否已經建立了長期的追蹤跟成效的評估機制，我們希望能夠這樣來掌握不同領域的計畫對於學術跟社會實質的影響。是。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:16.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:27.616000+08:00","text":"最後我要講的就是，請問主委，國科會是否掌握近五年來女性主持人申請跟通過率的變化，是否已經達到性別平衡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:29.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:33.758000+08:00","text":"我們應該都有掌握……有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:35.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:36.200000+08:00","text":"好，讓你回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭處長麗春","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:37.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:45.386000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們都有在關注女性主持人的計畫申請率、通過率，這幾年大概沒有忽高忽低，都在一個平衡的狀態。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:45.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:48.468000+08:00","text":"好，我掌握的部分目前都有相對的平衡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:49.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:33:58.255000+08:00","text":"但我想跟主委探討的是女性計畫主持人，她擁有多重角色，如家庭主婦、媽媽、上班族，請問這些多重角色是否會影響其通過率？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:33:59.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:03.880000+08:00","text":"不會，我對女性其實有特別優待的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:05.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:08.524000+08:00","text":"可以說一下嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭處長麗春","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:08.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:16.411000+08:00","text":"各學門大概都有共識，如果是在計畫的邊緣，也是會優先通過女性計畫主持人的計畫，其他的當然就是照同儕審查。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:17.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:25.205000+08:00","text":"我想針對女性計畫的主持人，他們在生育期間提供的一個支持，我認為這不是優待，這是一個支持。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:25.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:26.846000+08:00","text":"支持，對、對！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:26.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:31.487000+08:00","text":"在這個部分上，有女性的專案計畫、生育計畫等這些措施。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:32.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:41.851000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下主委，當女性主持人在生產計畫延長的計分年限後，退回到一般性計畫，有沒有辦法銜接上，你們有沒有去了解？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:45.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:50.354000+08:00","text":"從生育計畫延長計分的年限，退回到一般。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:51.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:51.815000+08:00","text":"我們有計分嘛？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:52.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:34:54.556000+08:00","text":"他不可能一直都在生嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:34:55.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:35:00.778000+08:00","text":"他會回歸到一般計畫，在他的銜接上有沒有困難？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:35:00.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:35:05.879000+08:00","text":"跟其他的女性一般性計畫通過率是否一樣？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:35:05.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:35:07.480000+08:00","text":"不要小看這個喔！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:35:07.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:35:09.320000+08:00","text":"產後有什麼？","quality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,"guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:07.544000+08:00","text":"主委，3月30日的新聞報導臺灣高教新血斷層比日、韓嚴重，我想今天很多的委員也有人在關心，整體30到39歲的青壯年教師占比明顯低於日、韓，顯示臺灣高教新血斷層的程度比周邊國家更嚴重，我們應該要好好的去認定這個問題，有沒有一個相關的方法？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:09.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:26.250000+08:00","text":"今天我還有一個這樣的質詢，但是時間已經有點不足了，我希望你應該用什麼樣的方式來因應我們國家人才被挖走的可能，現在又還有人才不足的問題，會後是不是能夠提供資料給我一些具體的方案？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:27.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:38.620000+08:00","text":"教師的部分，我們會跟教育部一起合作，看看有沒有改善的方法，不過現在人才斷層的確非常嚴重，這個我同意委員的講法，我們應該要關注。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"羅委員廷瑋","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:39.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:40.340000+08:00","text":"好，我們一起加油，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳主任委員誠文","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:40.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:40.340000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:40.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:44.840000+08:00","text":"謝謝羅廷瑋委員質詢，官員請回座。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:38:45.140000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:38:48.568571+08:00","text":"接下來有請翁曉玲委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}