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所以這是兩件"},{"start":413.021,"end":423.32,"text":"本席提出來的重點不要再讓我們看到說連執政黨委員都講一個大白話說三四個小時失去通訊我覺得這是一個非常令人捏麻冷汗的事情好不好感謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:18.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:41:20.018000+08:00","text":"主席謝謝，麻煩請國安局蔡局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:20.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:41:20.862000+08:00","text":"請國安局蔡局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:27.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:41:29.119000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，洪委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:29.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:41:29.679000+08:00","text":"局長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:30.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:41:37.343000+08:00","text":"局長，本席引用一個委員的質詢，我幾乎沒有引用過，但這個我覺得是很重要的國安議題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:37.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:41:52.410000+08:00","text":"林俊憲委員在上禮拜質詢的時候指出，他跟賴清德總統去亞太球場看棒球，比賽整整三、四個小時，現場完全沒手機收訊，連總統隨行助理手機都沒訊號。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:52.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:41:54.110000+08:00","text":"那會不會造成是一個失聯的狀態？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:41:55.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:42:05.229000+08:00","text":"我覺得這相對來講很嚴重，所以我想先確認一下，賴清德總統到亞太球場看球，有沒有三、四個小時沒有收訊？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:42:05.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:42:22.822000+08:00","text":"這是林俊憲委員直接點名，整整三、四個小時現場完全沒手機訊號，然後他還特別點到連總統的隨行助理手機都沒訊號，一直到總統離開，總統車隊上車，在室外手機還是沒有訊號，嚴不嚴重？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:42:23.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:42:29.326000+08:00","text":"我剛剛有了解一下，我們在現場並沒有開遮屏器故意進行通訊的干擾，這是第一個。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:42:30.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:42:35.849000+08:00","text":"第二個，據我們的了解是現場收訊的條件比較不好，可能因為人比較多，造成流量受阻。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:42:36.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:42:36.650000+08:00","text":"對，人多嘛！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:42:37.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:42:51.658000+08:00","text":"有2萬5,000人在那裡，但重點是總統在一個地點，如果連他的隨護、連他的隨行人員手機都沒有訊號，那真的發生事情怎麼聯繫？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:42:51.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:42:53.119000+08:00","text":"委員放心，因為我們的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:42:53.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:03.068000+08:00","text":"我沒有辦法放心，因為林俊憲委員講出一個大白話，讓我們覺得，突然間總統在一個沒有收訊的地方三、四個小時，結果你現在跟我講說：委員，放心啦！","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:03.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:04.189000+08:00","text":"我不知道我要怎麼放心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:04.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:09.313000+08:00","text":"我要講的放心是，我們特勤維安都還有其他的通訊裝備，會掌握現場的狀況。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:09.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:20.638000+08:00","text":"對，這就是本席想要詢問的，其實我們現在看到，連新聞媒體記者現在開直播都會揹一個5G包，某種程度上它就是為了加強訊號。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:20.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:32.921000+08:00","text":"本席要講的是，現在總統的維安，因為從這件事情看得出來，我覺得這跟總統過去到現在出席的場合有很大的關係，為什麼？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:32.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:38.263000+08:00","text":"我們知道總統要出席一個場合，事先會先有國安人員或是相關的維安人員去現場場勘。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:39.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:42.765000+08:00","text":"第二，那個現場到底是什麼樣的情況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:43:42.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:43:59.454000+08:00","text":"場勘的時候跟現場狀況可能不一定一樣，因為場勘的時候沒有2萬5,000名觀眾，但突然間在那邊有2萬5,000名觀眾的時候，可能相對來講這些收訊，以及最重要是如果真的發生什麼危難的時候，對於逃脫路線都要有規劃。有。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:01.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:19.245000+08:00","text":"所以本席現在再請教，局長，針對這個議題跟這個事件，有沒有考慮未來總統的維安人員出去的時候，至少車上或是相關的配備要增加5G包或是相關的通訊設備？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:19.245000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:20.245000+08:00","text":"有，這都有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:19.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:39.453000+08:00","text":"以及剛剛牛煦庭委員所講到的無人機的攻擊，10年前有一部電影拍攻擊美國白宮，我想你可以特別回去看一下第三集，它講的就是美國總統被無人機攻擊，而且它是用蜂群的無人機，這已經是10年前好萊塢拍的影片。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:40.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:44:58.623000+08:00","text":"本席現在不是危言聳聽，但本席跟所有國人都一樣，既然中華民國總統代表中華民國，我絕對不可能把我們的總統放在任何危險的狀況，也因此國安局的任務跟責任就是要確保總統安全及他的通訊是良好的。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:44:59.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:15.534000+08:00","text":"美國總統他的「野獸」專車，上面甚至還有與美國總統同型的血液，或是相關的飛彈設施、干擾設備，就是為了在有任何的情況發生的時候，第一時間總統可以獲得最好的醫療救護。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:16.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:23.863000+08:00","text":"所以我現在拉回來，還是一樣，針對這個事件有沒有考慮未來做一些調整，或是更精進的方法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:24.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:24.324000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:24.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:25.385000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:26.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:30.771000+08:00","text":"剛剛有稍微跟委員說明一下，不好意思有點插話。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:32.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:33.875000+08:00","text":"沒關係，把安全做好最重要。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:34.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:44.622000+08:00","text":"當然，主要的原因是我們特勤人員有其他的通訊裝備，以避免大家公用的通訊頻段出現被干擾的狀況，這大概是第一部分的說明。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:45.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:45:53.847000+08:00","text":"第二部分的說明是，剛剛牛煦庭委員也有提到了，假如遇到中共的無人機，不管是蜂群或軍規無人機的攻擊，有沒有一些因應的做法？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:45:54.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:05.034000+08:00","text":"這部分假如是涉及到國家比較緊急情況的時候，會讓中共的無人機接近到我們的相關空域的話，那我們就會啟動相關軍事的戍衛措施。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:46:07.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:20.085000+08:00","text":"抱歉，局長，我修正一下，我討論的跟這個比較不一樣，我現在講的是說總統即便是在國內出席一個正常的活動，你剛剛講到中共可能直接就是大規模，已經變成是軍力犯臺的層級。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:46:20.085000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:21.085000+08:00","text":"對，我剛剛跟牛委員是這樣說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:46:20.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:43.537000+08:00","text":"但是本席現在講的比較像是，譬如說那一天亞太球場開幕可能會有無人機，如果現場有民用無人機或是廠商、業者的無人機，但是我們不知道是什麼狀況，突然間它往總統靠近，那是不是也應該要有必要的防護措施，譬如說電子槍、干擾器，來做相關的防範？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:46:43.537000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:46:45.786000+08:00","text":"有，都有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:46:45.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:19.753000+08:00","text":"因為這部分涉及可能相關國安機密，但本席要再一次提醒，我們從林俊憲委員的質詢裡面看到一個大白話，就是如果連總統旁邊的助理都可以三、四個小時手機沒有收訊，即便您剛才講有特殊的管道，特殊管道跟特殊管道之間可能極少數的連接，但如果今天總統發生什麼事情，而需要趕快第一時間讓社會大眾知道安全無虞，或要有什麼聯繫方式的話，我覺得相關的5G訊號還是必要的。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:19.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:29.745000+08:00","text":"所以這也是為什麼我在提醒，連民間都已經這樣使用，在不增加困擾的情況下，但是能夠多增加安全的保障。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:30.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:46.973000+08:00","text":"即便今天發生什麼事情，國安局局長要跟總統直接做報告，你會採取的方式，我相信最快的方式還是用手機，或是用相關的系統跟總統旁邊的秘書聯繫，這最快嘛，所以一定要確保這樣的通訊是暢通無虞的，是吧？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:47.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:47:49.234000+08:00","text":"對，通訊韌性我們一直都有在注意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:47:50.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:48:07+08:00","text":"剛剛委員提到的通訊韌性問題以外，還有涉及無人機的突襲，在承平的時候，這部分我們大概在總統蒞臨的場所都有部署一些反無人機的干擾設備，也有一些比較高位置的部署來做相關的預警。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:48:07.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:48:11.544000+08:00","text":"好，局長，這是兩件本席提出來的重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-08T11:48:11.544000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:48:12.544000+08:00","text":"對，兩個意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-08T11:48:11.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-08T11:48:20.320000+08:00","text":"不要再讓我們看到連執政黨委員都講一個大白話，說三、四個小時失去通訊，我覺得這是非常令人捏一把冷汗的事情，好不好？感謝。謝謝。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:48:20.820000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:48:22.248571+08:00","text":"謝謝洪委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-08T11:48:22.548571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-08T11:48:25.977143+08:00","text":"接下來邀請鍾佳濱委員，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}